Should PJradio stay on SiriusXM

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    i'm canceling my 2 radio subscription. the app sucks. they keep fucking with channel lineup and removing channels. only reason i had it was for faction 41, which they got rid of, and then brought back to a channel my car radios can't access. the bannon thing is the last straw. i have a thousand cds i could listen to and not give money to a service that provides bannon a platform.

    by the way, i don't even listen to pj radio. sad, isn't it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,659
    I don’t subscribe but I can understand the stance to cancel , i would not want a single penny of my $ going to perhaps one of thee most vile humans in Bannon ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    You know that's a cheap argument. I shouldn't have to explain why.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    When I lived in the Bay Area I listened to KPFA Berkeley for current event related stories and their blues and eclectic music shows and college stations like KFJC that played all the cool stuff like The Replacements, early R.E.M., Pavement etc.

    Those days are gone, analogue radio is gone and so my radio listening days are over.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,431
    brianlux said:
    When I lived in the Bay Area I listened to KPFA Berkeley for current event related stories and their blues and eclectic music shows and college stations like KFJC that played all the cool stuff like The Replacements, early R.E.M., Pavement etc.

    Those days are gone, analogue radio is gone and so my radio listening days are over.
    Which a.m. station did you first hear Rock Around the Clock? :smiley:
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Bentleyspop said:
    brianlux said:
    When I lived in the Bay Area I listened to KPFA Berkeley for current event related stories and their blues and eclectic music shows and college stations like KFJC that played all the cool stuff like The Replacements, early R.E.M., Pavement etc.

    Those days are gone, analogue radio is gone and so my radio listening days are over.
    Which a.m. station did you first hear Rock Around the Clock? :smiley:
    Haha!  Very likely KYA or KFRC, San Francisco. 

    One of those stations (probably KYA) was also the place where, for the first time, I heard "Like a Rolling Stone" when it came out.  It was at night so they played the whole song and it was like having an egg shell break open and let in a whole new world of sound.  That blew me away!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    That's what happens when you respond while waiting in line to see Santa with your kids I guess. Lol. I wasn't very clear.

    I despise Fox News and the type of content and agenda they push, so does that mean in order to make my point I need to completely quit watching any Fox produced content or just not watch Fox News? Where does it end and how do you justify it for one company? It's great in theory, but for every person that drops, some other far right extremist will add for the exact opposite reason. It seems there are a lot more of that mindset then previously thought.

    I hope none of you like Seinfeld either because Bannon makes money on that too.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    tbergs said:
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    That's what happens when you respond while waiting in line to see Santa with your kids I guess. Lol. I wasn't very clear.

    I despise Fox News and the type of content and agenda they push, so does that mean in order to make my point I need to completely quit watching any Fox produced content or just not watch Fox News? Where does it end and how do you justify it for one company? It's great in theory, but for every person that drops, some other far right extremist will add for the exact opposite reason. It seems there are a lot more of that mindset then previously thought.

    I hope none of you like Seinfeld either because Bannon makes money on that too.
    Ugh, my kids are 3 and a few months old.....I haven't had to do the Santa thing yet, nor do I want to. I do not envy you.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    Seth Rogen Boycotts SiriusXM Over Steve Bannon Hire

    “I was supposed to do a press tour on @SIRIUSXM on teusday [sic] but I’m no longer doing it because I can’t bring myself to appear on the same service that has decided to support Steve Bannon,” Rogen wrote on Twitter. “Apologies to the shows I had to cancel. And fuck Steve Bannon.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-rogen-boycotts-siriusxm-over-steve-bannon-hire
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    I am not offended by how someone chooses to spend their money. That is speech as well and everybody is certainly entitled. What offends me would be the slippery slope that seeks to alter and/or force SiriusXM’s decision to change it’s model which for the most part is unencumbered speech. One of the big reason’s I subscribe is for Howard Stern. Anybody who knows his history knows what the FCC did to him over the years and for the most part that came from the right. I don’t want the right or the left to develop the ability to force things they don’t like off the air. What offends me is when people, especially on a forum of a band who has fought for speech, forget that we must even protect speech we do not like. That is the essence to all of our freedoms.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    BS44325 said:
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    I am not offended by how someone chooses to spend their money. That is speech as well and everybody is certainly entitled. What offends me would be the slippery slope that seeks to alter and/or force SiriusXM’s decision to change it’s model which for the most part is unencumbered speech. One of the big reason’s I subscribe is for Howard Stern. Anybody who knows his history knows what the FCC did to him over the years and for the most part that came from the right. I don’t want the right or the left to develop the ability to force things they don’t like off the air. What offends me is when people, especially on a forum of a band who has fought for speech, forget that we must even protect speech we do not like. That is the essence to all of our freedoms.
    This makes sense to me, BS, and I agree with what you're saying.  At the same time, if listeners are paying to support and they vote with their dollars by boycotting the station and the station loses enough listeners such that they reconsider taking on Bannon, then let the chips fall where they may.  I don't see boycotting so much as forcing Sirius to make changes as it is voicing an opinion on which they may want to base their decision as to whether or not changes should be made.  Boycotting is a peaceful, effective tool for voicing ones opinion.  
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,498
    brianlux said:
    BS44325 said:
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    I am not offended by how someone chooses to spend their money. That is speech as well and everybody is certainly entitled. What offends me would be the slippery slope that seeks to alter and/or force SiriusXM’s decision to change it’s model which for the most part is unencumbered speech. One of the big reason’s I subscribe is for Howard Stern. Anybody who knows his history knows what the FCC did to him over the years and for the most part that came from the right. I don’t want the right or the left to develop the ability to force things they don’t like off the air. What offends me is when people, especially on a forum of a band who has fought for speech, forget that we must even protect speech we do not like. That is the essence to all of our freedoms.
    This makes sense to me, BS, and I agree with what you're saying.  At the same time, if listeners are paying to support and they vote with their dollars by boycotting the station and the station loses enough listeners such that they reconsider taking on Bannon, then let the chips fall where they may.  I don't see boycotting so much as forcing Sirius to make changes as it is voicing an opinion on which they may want to base their decision as to whether or not changes should be made.  Boycotting is a peaceful, effective tool for voicing ones opinion.  
    umm they were already supporting fox news. and the patriot channel. and the various religious channels. and many other contradictory views available.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    BS44325 said:
    dignin said:
    oftenreading said:
    tbergs said:
    I hope you're also boycotting all the other evils of the world as well. Do you drive a car? Buy plastic made products? Eat mass produced food powered by Monsanto? Where do the boycotts end? Sure, protest a company that is offering a wide variety of opinions and views with their content, but then also make sure you evaluate every other product or service you consume.

    If Sirius strictly switched to one narrow form of entertainment or media and it was on the Bannon side, then yes, I'd also say see you, but until then, I'll keep my options open and choose which stations I want to support within their platform.

    It seems the theme these days is to remain siloed. You don't have to agree with it, but you should be aware of what the opposing views are so you know what you're up against. Some of it is maddening, but that doesn't mean you can't use your voice to oppose it. 
    Why would other people need to manage their own choices based on your priorities? Why is boycotting one company laughable if you don't boycott all companies with aspects that you disagree with?

    If someone really, really objects to the views or behaviours of one person, organization or company, I see no issue with them choosing to boycott that. That doesn't condemn them to taking action on every single other ill in the world. In fact, if we all believed what you wrote, no one would ever take action on anything, simply because it's impossible to act on everything. 
    Exactly. I'm scratching my head here trying to figure out why usually reasonable people are offended by how someone else chooses not to spend their money. It's not a free speech issue, Bannon can say whatever he wants and others can choose not to help pay for him to do that.
    I am not offended by how someone chooses to spend their money. That is speech as well and everybody is certainly entitled. What offends me would be the slippery slope that seeks to alter and/or force SiriusXM’s decision to change it’s model which for the most part is unencumbered speech. One of the big reason’s I subscribe is for Howard Stern. Anybody who knows his history knows what the FCC did to him over the years and for the most part that came from the right. I don’t want the right or the left to develop the ability to force things they don’t like off the air. What offends me is when people, especially on a forum of a band who has fought for speech, forget that we must even protect speech we do not like. That is the essence to all of our freedoms.
    This makes sense to me, BS, and I agree with what you're saying.  At the same time, if listeners are paying to support and they vote with their dollars by boycotting the station and the station loses enough listeners such that they reconsider taking on Bannon, then let the chips fall where they may.  I don't see boycotting so much as forcing Sirius to make changes as it is voicing an opinion on which they may want to base their decision as to whether or not changes should be made.  Boycotting is a peaceful, effective tool for voicing ones opinion.  
    umm they were already supporting fox news. and the patriot channel. and the various religious channels. and many other contradictory views available.
    I don't have Sirius but if I did and were paying for it, I would join the boycott. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,498
    they were supporting stations that play CREED for fucks sake!!!!!!
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mickeyrat said:
    they were supporting stations that play CREED for fucks sake!!!!!!
    A band famous for "overwrought power-balladry and Christian-infused testosterone" ( https://www.mediaite.com/online/slates-contrarian-ways-mocked-on-twitter/ ) is just not my thing. :lol:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:
    they were supporting stations that play CREED for fucks sake!!!!!!
    Hmmmm....I do hate Creed. You might actually change my mind with this point.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256

    If Pearl Jam is okay with having a channel on Sirius radio, then it is okay by me.  

    A boycott to me in this case is only suppressing ideas.  This time around it is speech you aren't in favor of, but next time around it might not be. 

    Pearl Jam has a website on the internet.  Should we no longer discuss Pearl Jam or access their goods/music online since there is hate speech on other sites on the internet?  Who does PJ pay for their webhosting (I am not a tech guy)? Let's check them out and make sure we agree with all of the other sites they host.

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    What some people don't seem to get is that people have a right to patronize businesses they like and not patronize businesses they don't. That is in no way suppressing ideas. No one here has said that Sirius doesn't have the right to have Bannon on if they chose; just that some people don't want to pay them for that. 
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