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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Not any more than a baker should get to decide who they can and cannot bake cakes for.  
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    cake baking?

    I'm not sure anyone can criticize the LBTGQ community (attack mob) without being called a bigot.
    She expressed her reasons for not wanting to work with a gay porn actor, which seem reasonable to me and she was ridiculed mercilessly. The online attack mob tried to ruin her career, mission accomplished, she took wheelers advice and killed herself.

    I don't understand this new norm of trying to ruin someone's professional life over something that was posted to social media?

    depressing 

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    JimmyV said:
    People you encounter online can often be terrible in large part because of the anonymity the web provides. Proceed with caution at all times.
    Otherwise, libel is an easy thing to prove in this day and age. Or so I hear.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
    Should she not have a right to such working conditions?

    She absolutely should have every single and last say so.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,760
    JC29856 said:
    cake baking?

    I'm not sure anyone can criticize the LBTGQ community (attack mob) without being called a bigot.
    She expressed her reasons for not wanting to work with a gay porn actor, which seem reasonable to me and she was ridiculed mercilessly. The online attack mob tried to ruin her career, mission accomplished, she took wheelers advice and killed herself.

    I don't understand this new norm of trying to ruin someone's professional life over something that was posted to social media?

    depressing 

    You need to keep up and pay attention. 
    Her issue wasn't  with a porn actor who are gay.
    It was with male porn actors who had done gay porn. There's  a difference.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
    Should she not have a right to such working conditions?

    She absolutely should have every single and last say so.

    Like I said, it's probably in her contract.  She didn't want to work with someone who had done gay porn.  That should be fine, regardless of reason.  

    not ok: if she had said "I don't want to work with someone bc they're homosexual"  which does not appear to be the case here.  

    Gay porn actors are not a protected class (ie gay for pay).  Homosexuals are.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    it is conjecture at best to say that the twitter war precipitated her death. 

    but if it did, of course she has the right to choose who she has sex with. no brainer. 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Bentleyspop said:
    JC29856 said:
    cake baking?

    I'm not sure anyone can criticize the LBTGQ community (attack mob) without being called a bigot.
    She expressed her reasons for not wanting to work with a gay porn actor, which seem reasonable to me and she was ridiculed mercilessly. The online attack mob tried to ruin her career, mission accomplished, she took wheelers advice and killed herself.

    I don't understand this new norm of trying to ruin someone's professional life over something that was posted to social media?

    depressing 

    You need to keep up and pay attention. 
    Her issue wasn't  with a porn actor who are gay.
    It was with male porn actors who had done gay porn. There's  a difference.
    Explain to me where the problem is.  Are you not backing her choice?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,515
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    She should be afforded every right to do as she pleases with her own body , the same as every women should have the right to choose  if they want to abort an unwanted pregnancy ..
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
    Should she not have a right to such working conditions?

    She absolutely should have every single and last say so.

    Like I said, it's probably in her contract.  She didn't want to work with someone who had done gay porn.  That should be fine, regardless of reason.  

    not ok: if she had said "I don't want to work with someone bc they're homosexual"  which does not appear to be the case here.  

    Gay porn actors are not a protected class (ie gay for pay).  Homosexuals are.  
    If she said that she doesn't want TO HAVE SEX with someone the reason should not matter.  She had that right.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    it is conjecture at best to say that the twitter war precipitated her death. 

    but if it did, of course she has the right to choose who she has sex with. no brainer. 

    sex != acting in porn

    I don't get to choose who I work with.  

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
    Should she not have a right to such working conditions?

    She absolutely should have every single and last say so.

    Like I said, it's probably in her contract.  She didn't want to work with someone who had done gay porn.  That should be fine, regardless of reason.  

    not ok: if she had said "I don't want to work with someone bc they're homosexual"  which does not appear to be the case here.  

    Gay porn actors are not a protected class (ie gay for pay).  Homosexuals are.  
    If she said that she doesn't want TO HAVE SEX with someone the reason should not matter.  She had that right.
    correct, but if she said "I don't have sex with homos" she could absolutely expect to be attacked for that. it comes across as bigoted, whether it's just an ill-conceived statement or not. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Baking a cake and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.  

    More crazy.
    Acting in a porn movie and being forced to have sex with someone is not even remotely the same.

    And who said she was forced to do anything?  Presumably she has some sort of an agreement where she approves who she will and won't act with.
    Should she not have a right to such working conditions?

    She absolutely should have every single and last say so.

    Like I said, it's probably in her contract.  She didn't want to work with someone who had done gay porn.  That should be fine, regardless of reason.  

    not ok: if she had said "I don't want to work with someone bc they're homosexual"  which does not appear to be the case here.  

    Gay porn actors are not a protected class (ie gay for pay).  Homosexuals are.  
    If she said that she doesn't want TO HAVE SEX with someone the reason should not matter.  She had that right.
    Did anyone take it away? Or was it taken away via ridicule on social media? Or was she threatened with a job action? No means no but it seems to me she had a choice in the matter and options given her preference.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Bentleyspop said:
    JC29856 said:
    cake baking?

    I'm not sure anyone can criticize the LBTGQ community (attack mob) without being called a bigot.
    She expressed her reasons for not wanting to work with a gay porn actor, which seem reasonable to me and she was ridiculed mercilessly. The online attack mob tried to ruin her career, mission accomplished, she took wheelers advice and killed herself.

    I don't understand this new norm of trying to ruin someone's professional life over something that was posted to social media?

    depressing 

    You need to keep up and pay attention. 
    Her issue wasn't  with a porn actor who are gay.
    It was with male porn actors who had done gay porn. There's  a difference.
    yes, I know, work is work, even if one is not technically gay. but my question to you, is calling someone a gay porn actor calling them gay? maybe I should have hyphenated it... gay-porn actor, better?
    I'm not into gay porn but is gay-porn usually hyphenated, is it one word gayporn?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Where’s princeofdorkness when you need him?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    What is the "this" that you're referring to? 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    What is the "this" that you're referring to? 
    thread title may be a clue
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    What is the "this" that you're referring to? 
    thread title may be a clue
    Pretty obvious.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    unsung said:
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    What is the "this" that you're referring to? 
    thread title may be a clue
    Pretty obvious.
    No. I'm wondering if you are referring to the cyber bullying per se, or her death. I'm not sure whether you're making that link. Maybe you think it's obviou, but I don't. 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Cyber bullying lead to her suicide.  I am not sure what else is involved.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,166
    I'm not seeing any definitive connection between the idiots she encountered online and her apparent suicide. Maybe that is what happened, but for us or anyone else to assume so is risky. We don't know anything about this girl or what was going on in her life.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    ftfa: "Ames was prone to depression"
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,166
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/porn-star-august-ames-dead-23-article-1.3681554

    Does she not have the right to choose who she lets into her body?  Or does that stop with the lunatics that did this to her?
    What is the "this" that you're referring to? 
    thread title may be a clue
    Pretty obvious.
    No. I'm wondering if you are referring to the cyber bullying per se, or her death. I'm not sure whether you're making that link. Maybe you think it's obviou, but I don't. 
    That's because it isn't. The cyberbullying happened. The apparent suicide happened. That one led to the other is an assumption.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Cyber bullying lead to her suicide.  I am not sure what else is involved.
    so how does society prevent this from happening in the future?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,166
    Should "social" media be anonymous? How can anything be social if it is anonymous?
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