White Lives Matter?

Halifax2TheMax

When haven’t they?

mickeyrat

when they are poor. but even then they seem to have a leg up.

Halifax2TheMax

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXXTJgyMA_g

josevolution

They mattered more than any other color for the 1st 180 years of this country's existence !

vaggar99

sure white lives matter.  just wish they were better at marketing themselves.  they could start with an original name for their movement.

oftenreading

vaggar99 said:

sure white lives matter.  just wish they were better at marketing themselves.  they could start with an original name for their movement.

Blood and Soil seems to be their preferred option right now. 

brianlux

vaggar99 said:

sure white lives matter.  just wish they were better at marketing themselves.  they could start with an original name for their movement.

It's like with anything.  An idea comes along.  It becomes a movement.   It is given a name or title.  The name or title becomes  appropriated.   

Think "punk rock".  It started out as an outlier, a rebellion.  It went from this:



to this:

RYME

How about
*ALL LIVES MATTER
*EMBRACE THE RACES
*BORING IF WE ALL LOOKED THE SAME
*EVERY RACE HAS DIFFERENT & BEAUTIFUL CHARACTERISTICS
These were slogan ideas.

How about The Human Race
Shouldn't be barriers, and boundaries.
No one should have to apologise for what race they are.  
Judge people individually not with a broad brush.  Content of character, not color of skin.

brianlux

RYME said:

How about
*ALL LIVES MATTER
*EMBRACE THE RACES
*BORING IF WE ALL LOOKED THE SAME
*EVERY RACE HAS DIFFERENT & BEAUTIFUL CHARACTERISTICS
These were slogan ideas.

How about The Human Race
Shouldn't be barriers, and boundaries.
No one should have to apologise for what race they are.  
Judge people individually not with a broad brush.  Content of character, not color of skin.

Good idea, RYME. 

And I would go one step further and say ALL LIFE MATTERS.  The world would be much better off if we treated all life with respect.  Humans, mammals, birds, insects, reptiles and amphibians, fish, bacteria, trees, plants and fungi,  microorganisms.  And water and the elements that make life possible.  And let's not leave out geologic formations- mountains, rock formations.  We humans generally see these things as less important than us.  In doing so we seem to think it's OK to do this without giving thought for the resulting destruction (yes, without mining there would be no computer for me to write this on but like the plant and animal taken for food and clothing, we would do well to at least respect and honor that which is taken from the earth and do so more sparingly.  We don't need to produce so much disposable crap):

mcgruff10

Bri,
environmental question: after miners and loggers destroy the land do they just leave it as is or do they have to plant a certain number of trees , restore the water quality , fill in the mine , etc.

mickeyrat

RYME said:

How about
*ALL LIVES MATTER
*EMBRACE THE RACES
*BORING IF WE ALL LOOKED THE SAME
*EVERY RACE HAS DIFFERENT & BEAUTIFUL CHARACTERISTICS
These were slogan ideas.

How about The Human Race
Shouldn't be barriers, and boundaries.
No one should have to apologise for what race they are.  
Judge people individually not with a broad brush.  Content of character, not color of skin.

maybe when cops can stop killing unarmed black people we can rebrand.

riley540

mcgruff10 said:

Bri,
environmental question: after miners and loggers destroy the land do they just leave it as is or do they have to plant a certain number of trees , restore the water quality , fill in the mine , etc.

In Alaska and in Washington the forestry industry replants. I believe the mining industry is required to do some restoration as well. Out in Healy Alaska there is a huge mining zone that makes for incredible mountain biking. The land has been used for resources but has turned into a new kind of unexplainable beauty. 

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

Bri,
environmental question: after miners and loggers destroy the land do they just leave it as is or do they have to plant a certain number of trees , restore the water quality , fill in the mine , etc.

Good question McG.  My understanding is that in general what restoration is made to land and life taken is cosmetic at best.  One of the reasons many of us have fought the logging and mining industries for years is that logging and mining have often done severe damage to riparian habitat, damage that can take many years, even generations to recover from.   An excellent work (both for information and great writing) is Richard Manning's, One Round River; The Curse of Gold and the Fight for the Big Blackfoot.  Another excellent book along these lines is Erik Reece's Lost Mountain; A Year in the Vanishing Wilderness.

Many logging operations have done long-term damage to riparian habitats as well, polluting streams and rivers and are then planting mono-cropped fast growing trees that are often used simply for cheap wood pulp products (hemp is a much better alternative!), replacing what were once health, mixed evergreen and deciduous forests.  Some improvements to logging procedures have evolved through many years of activist interventions over several decades. 

RYME

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

brianlux

RYME said:

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

Yes, there are good cops and bad cops.  I had dealing with both so my own experience is they range from complete jerks (if I were black or Hispanic I'm sure my bad experiences would have been way worse) to angles in blue. 

I agree, usually blanket statements are not very useful though I would have no problem with someones saying "Child abusers are evil".  And sometimes generalizations are misleading but sometimes they are true as in, "Pearl Jam almost always puts on a terrific live show!" 

RYME

brianlux said:

RYME said:

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

Yes, there are good cops and bad cops.  I had dealing with both so my own experience is they range from complete jerks (if I were black or Hispanic I'm sure my bad experiences would have been way worse) to angles in blue. 

I agree, usually blanket statements are not very useful though I would have no problem with someones saying "Child abusers are evil".  And sometimes generalizations are misleading but sometimes they are true as in, "Pearl Jam almost always puts on a terrific live show!" 

Yes Child abuse is always evil, & Yes Pearl Jam always puts on Great Shows.
I'm comfortable with those blanket statements.
I in my own life I try to ease what ever tension there might be. I can't change the world or erase history.  But I'll make an  extra effort to hold the door open at a convenient store if an African American is coming behind me, I'll hold it and let them go in first.  Make sure to acknowledge him or her and say hello or what's up? Or something.  A few weeks ago, I took my kids to a local park.  We were the only ones there to begin with.  They were on the monkey bars when a black dad and his daughter walked over.  His girl sat on one of the swings by her self to begin with.  I went and quietly told my girls to go pick a swing next to her, ask her what her name is, introduce yourselves and start swinging.  My girls are 12 & 9.  This girl same age or in between.
With in minutes they we're playing all over the playground climbing and going down the slides and having a good old time.
I sat across from the dad at a picnic table and chitchatted for a half hour.
Never knew these people before.
I explained to my girls on the way home, that's how we make the world better.
To me that's what it's all about.

mickeyrat

RYME said:

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

yes most are, but the ones who arent remain on the job or on the streets.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bri,
environmental question: after miners and loggers destroy the land do they just leave it as is or do they have to plant a certain number of trees , restore the water quality , fill in the mine , etc.

Good question McG.  My understanding is that in general what restoration is made to land and life taken is cosmetic at best.  One of the reasons many of us have fought the logging and mining industries for years is that logging and mining have often done severe damage to riparian habitat, damage that can take many years, even generations to recover from.   An excellent work (both for information and great writing) is Richard Manning's, One Round River; The Curse of Gold and the Fight for the Big Blackfoot.  Another excellent book along these lines is Erik Reece's Lost Mountain; A Year in the Vanishing Wilderness.

Many logging operations have done long-term damage to riparian habitats as well, polluting streams and rivers and are then planting mono-cropped fast growing trees that are often used simply for cheap wood pulp products (hemp is a much better alternative!), replacing what were once health, mixed evergreen and deciduous forests.  Some improvements to logging procedures have evolved through many years of activist interventions over several decades. 

Riley and Bri, thank you for the information.  We really don't see the effects of logging or mining on the east coast.  Bri I'll definitely check out those books.  

RYME

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

yes most are, but the ones who arent remain on the job or on the streets.

Weed the Bad Ones out. Maybe there needs to be a better screening process in place before a police officer is hired in the first place.  Weed out the nut-jobs, as many as possible before they even start.
 Police aren't racest, White supremacists by default.  Neither am I.
The bad ones need to go.  And if you find ones that were just Trigger Happy they, need to be locked up for good.

mickeyrat

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

With out some law & order you get anarchy.

Do all cops kill innocent black people?  Or are there a few bad apples, just like in any walk of life?  Maby there are a lot of bad apples.  I say weed them out.  That's what this movement should be about.  
These blakent statements kill me.  I'm white, but I'm not guilty by default.
A cop shouldn't be guilty by default.
And blacks are not guilty by default.
 Not all cops kill indiscriminately.  Most of them are there to keep communities in order often times having to make split second decisions.  Most cops hope that they don't have to kill anybody.  Most don't dream about who can I shoot today?
I say we as a society need to weed out the weeds.  Support & thank the good ones.
 Have you ever grown a garden?  If you don't weed the garden often, the weeds creep in & before you know it they take over & suck the water, nutrients & sun away from your veggies and you end up with crap.  If you are diligent, tend the garden a little bit every day PLUCK THE WEEDS OUT and till it once in a while, keep it waterd, you get much better results.
But anyway, I think
Michael Jackson said it best.
"I said, If you're thinking about being my brother, it don't matter if you're Black or White."
I couldn't agree more.
https://youtu.be/YOKUEbiaxD8

yes most are, but the ones who arent remain on the job or on the streets.

Weed the Bad Ones out. Maybe there needs to be a better screening process in place before a police officer is hired in the first place.  Weed out the nut-jobs, as many as possible before they even start.
 Police aren't racest, White supremacists by default.  Neither am I.
The bad ones need to go.  And if you find ones that were just Trigger Happy they, need to be locked up for good.

until that happens with regularity, we can only say , in theory, all lives matter.  cuz in practice , we're far from it as a society.

RYME

Do the best you can in your own life and community to make things better with whoever you encounter.  Pay attention to who your local elected county/city Sheriff is.  If you got some  bad ones get them primarried out & vote the bums out.  Make sure you get out and vote for the right one in your county/city.  Be active that way.  And like I say the if convicted of being trigger happy, throw the book at those individuals and get them locked up for good.