Should women be required to sign up for military draft?

PJPOWER

The pentagon is suggesting women be required to sign up for the military draft, just like men between the ages of 18-25.  Should they be required to?  Should only men be drafted and sent to war?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/24/pentagon-advocates-requiring-women-to-sign-up-for-/

JC29856

PJPOWER said:

The pentagon is suggesting women be required to sign up for the military draft, just like men between the ages of 18-25.  Should they be required to?  Should only men be drafted and sent to war?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/24/pentagon-advocates-requiring-women-to-sign-up-for-/

I say we randomly select social security numbers every six months for our never ending war-ing, men women and children.
Lets see a Hewson get randomly selected or maybe Kovakovic.

jeffbr

Nobody should ever be drafted. I'm 100% against conscription and being compelled to serve against one's will. So I'd be happy to abolish the selective service all together. But if we're going to have it, then women should also have to register. Women have rightfully demanded equal treatment with regards to the military and combat, and this equal treatment should be extended to the selective service. I let my son know when he signed up that if a draft was ever reinstated and his number called we were leaving the country. I'd tell my daughter the same thing. Either way, neither will be serving unless they choose to.

CM189191

Since money is free speech now, those with the most to lose should be conscripted to defend our country first.  Draft the wealthiest citizens first! 

benjs

PJPOWER said:

The pentagon is suggesting women be required to sign up for the military draft, just like men between the ages of 18-25.  Should they be required to?  Should only men be drafted and sent to war?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/24/pentagon-advocates-requiring-women-to-sign-up-for-/

Call me foolish, but I thought conscription ended ages ago in the States? Is this not the case? Is there a difference between being required to sign up for the military draft and conscription?

JC29856

CM189191 said:

Since money is free speech now, those with the most to lose should be conscripted to defend our country first.  Draft the wealthiest citizens first! 

Great idea!! If they are conscripted then give them a buy out option of 90% of their "free speech"

CM189191

In the United States, conscription, also called "the draft", ended in 1973, but males aged between 18 and 25 are required to register with the Selective Service System to enable a reintroduction of conscription if necessary.

Selective Service registration is still required of almost all young men, although the draft has not been used since 1973 and there have been no prosecutions for violations of the draft registration law since 1986.

mace1229

jeffbr said:

Nobody should ever be drafted. I'm 100% against conscription and being compelled to serve against one's will. So I'd be happy to abolish the selective service all together. But if we're going to have it, then women should also have to register. Women have rightfully demanded equal treatment with regards to the military and combat, and this equal treatment should be extended to the selective service. I let my son know when he signed up that if a draft was ever reinstated and his number called we were leaving the country. I'd tell my daughter the same thing. Either way, neither will be serving unless they choose to.

I would not say never be drafted. WWII needed a draft and the Nazis and those sided with them needed to be stopped.
I would not support a draft for our current war though.

PJ_Soul

Wait, what?! Are American men required to sign up for the draft?! I didn't even know that! Well, yeah, I think that if men have to women should have to sign up as well (adhering to all the logical exemptions, like medical, educational, necessary employees, family burden considerations, etc etc etc).... But I also disapprove of a draft in any case. I agree there have been valid reasons for it, but in this day and age, unless something almost unimaginable happens, I don't see why the US would require conscription. I feel like technology has eliminated this requirement even during war time. I mean sure, we can all dream up situations where it would be needed, and fair enough, but generally? There shouldn't be a draft.

CM189191

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

Wait, what?! Are American men required to sign up for the draft?! I didn't even know that! Well, yeah, I think that if men have to women should have to sign up as well (adhering to all the logical exemptions, like medical, educational, necessary employees, family burden considerations, etc etc etc).... But I also disapprove of a draft in any case. I agree there have been valid reasons for it, but in this day and age, unless something almost unimaginable happens, I don't see why the US would require conscription. I feel like technology has eliminated this requirement even during war time. I mean sure, we can all dream up situations where it would be needed, and fair enough, but generally? There shouldn't be a draft.

I remember the local draft boards being called into meetings during the gulf war.  People were freaking out that another draft was about to happen.  

tempo_n_groove

I have one better.  Require EVERYONE to serve at least two years in the military.

Sign up for 4 and you get free college and free benefits the rest of your life.

CM189191

tempo_n_groove said:

I have one better.  Require EVERYONE to serve at least two years in the military.

Sign up for 4 and you get free college and free benefits the rest of your life.

and a gun! 

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

josevolution

How about instead of the women your so worried about lets let all the immigrant men who work 100 times harder than any american i know personally including myself to join up for 4yr sting with path to residency and if they joing for life they get path to american citizenship automatically ...

PJPOWER

josevolution said:

How about instead of the women your so worried about lets let all the immigrant men who work 100 times harder than any american i know personally including myself to join up for 4yr sting with path to residency and if they joing for life they get path to american citizenship automatically ...

I think you could find a lot of people in favor of this.

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

So you're suggesting that either women get equally drafted for wars they're not yet anywhere near able to have equal input in starting, or not get to vote or hold office at all? So a double fuck you to women? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I still can't believe there is a draft. I seriously thought that the draft was totally eliminated after that shit show in Vietnam. Wow. And this is supported by the majority of Americans?? How come this is never an election campaign issue?

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

So you're suggesting that either women get equally drafted for wars they're not yet anywhere near able to have equal input in starting, or not get to vote or hold office at all? So a double fuck you to women? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I still can't believe there is a draft. I seriously thought that the draft was totally eliminated after that shit show in Vietnam. Wow. And this is supported by the majority of Americans?? How come this is never an election campaign issue?

No, but men that do not sign up for selective service are ineligible to hold office, vote, work for the government, and in some cases even ineligible for citizenship as stated in the article I posted.  Why are women not held to the same “equal” standard?  No one, man or woman, between 18-25 has much input in the wars that are started, so that’s a moot point

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

So you're suggesting that either women get equally drafted for wars they're not yet anywhere near able to have equal input in starting, or not get to vote or hold office at all? So a double fuck you to women? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I still can't believe there is a draft. I seriously thought that the draft was totally eliminated after that shit show in Vietnam. Wow. And this is supported by the majority of Americans?? How come this is never an election campaign issue?

No, but men that do not sign up for selective service are ineligible to hold office, vote, work for the government, and in some cases even ineligible for citizenship as stated in the article I posted.  Why are women not held to the same “equal” standard?  No one, man or woman, between 18-25 has much input in the wars that are started, so that’s a moot point

I think I already answered your question. Women aren't equally represented in government, so why should they be held to the same standards under the rules governing the draft? Any in any case, I don't support anyone signing up for the draft no matter what their gender is, so your suggestion is double horrible, lol.

brianlux

The draft... shudder... bad memories.

I think the draft is a bad idea because it assumes every man (and if women are drafted, every woman) has a warrior personality.  I was very nearly drafted during the war in Vietnam.  I informed the draft board that I am half Amish, and though my father did serve in the Navy during WWII as an Aviation Machinist Mate, he brought me up to be non-violent.  They said, "tough". I said, "bullshit".  They gave me a number anyway.

But if is there is to be a draft, here's how I would see it best laid out:  Men and women both register. If selected, both men and women are giving the opportunity to either serve in the military or serve in a peace-making organization.  No one should be made to carry and use arms. 

Jimi had an even better idea (0:30 to 0:53 in the clip below).  Yeah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZxuLklH-o

oftenreading

Some countries enforce periods of mandatory military OR community service for individuals of a certain age. I would consider that a reasonable option; just think of the community benefits that could be obtained by harnessing the energy of all young adults for a period of time. 

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

So you're suggesting that either women get equally drafted for wars they're not yet anywhere near able to have equal input in starting, or not get to vote or hold office at all? So a double fuck you to women? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I still can't believe there is a draft. I seriously thought that the draft was totally eliminated after that shit show in Vietnam. Wow. And this is supported by the majority of Americans?? How come this is never an election campaign issue?

No, but men that do not sign up for selective service are ineligible to hold office, vote, work for the government, and in some cases even ineligible for citizenship as stated in the article I posted.  Why are women not held to the same “equal” standard?  No one, man or woman, between 18-25 has much input in the wars that are started, so that’s a moot point

I think I already answered your question. Women aren't equally represented in government, so why should they be held to the same standards under the rules governing the draft? Any in any case, I don't support anyone signing up for the draft no matter what their gender is, so your suggestion is double horrible, lol.

I do not think anyone should have to sign up either, but since both genders get to enjoy the rights granted to them as a US citizens and do to the push for “equality”, it only makes sense that everyone should have to sign up regardless of gender.  If not, then you cannot hold government office, vote, etc (essentially a citizen that does not get to participate).

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

Some countries enforce periods of mandatory military OR community service for individuals of a certain age. I would consider that a reasonable option; just think of the community benefits that could be obtained by harnessing the energy of all young adults for a period of time. 

All adults, men and women?

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

Some countries enforce periods of mandatory military OR community service for individuals of a certain age. I would consider that a reasonable option; just think of the community benefits that could be obtained by harnessing the energy of all young adults for a period of time. 

All adults, men and women?

Are you asking about other countries or what I would favour? If my opinion, I would say if we do it for any gender we do it for everyone, with some reasonable exceptions (which would not include bone spurs). 

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

Some countries enforce periods of mandatory military OR community service for individuals of a certain age. I would consider that a reasonable option; just think of the community benefits that could be obtained by harnessing the energy of all young adults for a period of time. 

All adults, men and women?

Are you asking about other countries or what I would favour? If my opinion, I would say if we do it for any gender we do it for everyone, with some reasonable exceptions (which would not include bone spurs). 

Haha, what about multiple bone spurs??? .  And yeah, it it a genderless line in other countries that require service?  Thanks for your input

oftenreading

Israel - compulsory military service for men and women

Switzerland - compulsory military service for all men only; if you refuse, you pay a higher level of income tax 

Austria - compulsory military service of 6 months or compulsory community service of 9-12 months for men only 

PJPOWER

oftenreading said:

Israel - compulsory military service for men and women

Switzerland - compulsory military service for all men only; if you refuse, you pay a higher level of income tax 

Austria - compulsory military service of 6 months or compulsory community service of 9-12 months for men only 

Interesting, thank you.

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

How about we 'draft' more women to serve in Congress and other elected positions?

No more Palins tho.

Well, that raises an interesting point. Women aren't equally represented in the US government - not even fucking close - so one may reasonably ask why in the hell American women ought to feel obligated to equally invest themselves in wars that the government made up of mostly men starts. So I've changed my mind. No, women should not be made to be equal in the draft until they are equally represented in government.

So in that line of thought, maybe only people that have to sign up to be possibly drafted should have the right to hold office...or vote?  I may be wrong, but I don’t think a man between 18-25 that has not signed up to be drafted can register to vote or get a drivers license?  Don’t quote me on that...

https://www.thoughtco.com/register-for-the-draft-3321313

So you're suggesting that either women get equally drafted for wars they're not yet anywhere near able to have equal input in starting, or not get to vote or hold office at all? So a double fuck you to women? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I still can't believe there is a draft. I seriously thought that the draft was totally eliminated after that shit show in Vietnam. Wow. And this is supported by the majority of Americans?? How come this is never an election campaign issue?

There isnt a draft. Selective Service is a way, IF A DRAFT WERE REINSTATED, for the potential draftee to choose which branch he OR SHE  would be drafted to.

one question, how many women are running in comparison to men? Perhaps if more consistantly ran for office, particularly state and local, we'd see a more equitable representation in national offices.

josevolution

I'd be afraid now more than ever if i was anywhere drafting age my son is going to be 24 next yr if Orange asshole decides to start a war and open the draft i'm splitting from here and he'd come along fuck any wars specially fighting on behalf of the asshole we have as president .....

mcgruff10

I'd be all for mandatory military service.  Politicians might think twice about going to war especially if their kids/grand kids were in the military.  I would also bet that people would be a hell of a lot more interested in international affairs than the Khardasians if mandatory military service was required.
Doesn't China also require everyone to join?