William Patrick Corgan

elvistheking44
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Bash all you want......but this album is damn beautiful.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/554282861/first-listen-william-patrick-corgan-ogilala?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nprmusic&utm_term=music&utm_content=20170419
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    Thanks, will def check it out.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,244
    Won’t be involved- the guy is a grade a douchebag.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,916
    I'll listen to it. 

    I don't really think he's a douchebag, but he's one of those people with no filter.  Usually when you interview athletes or famous people they have very polished carefully constructed responses that don't really say much about anything.  Corgan speaks his mind, his opinions and never filters anything.   It makes him come off as an a-hole sometimes, but I respect that he doesn't guard himself like most other famous people...

    Besides if I found the person behind the music annoying I'd never listen to U2 :)  I can also separate my like of the music from the person singing it :)
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,547
    Zod said:
    I'll listen to it. 

    I don't really think he's a douchebag, but he's one of those people with no filter.  Usually when you interview athletes or famous people they have very polished carefully constructed responses that don't really say much about anything.  Corgan speaks his mind, his opinions and never filters anything.   It makes him come off as an a-hole sometimes, but I respect that he doesn't guard himself like most other famous people...

    Besides if I found the person behind the music annoying I'd never listen to U2 :)  I can also separate my like of the music from the person singing it :)
    He certainly has said some dumb shit.......but who hasn't?   The album is solid.
  • HawkeyeJam
    HawkeyeJam Posts: 209
    I loved Smashing Pumpkins. Corgan is an a-hole but this solo effort is pretty solid
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,547
    HawkeyeJam said:
    I loved Smashing Pumpkins. Corgan is an a-hole but this solo effort is pretty solid
    Agreed.  Looking forward to his film Pillbox.  He seems to be in a good place at the moment.
  • crowes74
    crowes74 Posts: 273
    Looking forward to hearing this release
  • lexicondevil
    lexicondevil Posts: 2,259
    Zod said:
    I'll listen to it. 

    I don't really think he's a douchebag, but he's one of those people with no filter.  Usually when you interview athletes or famous people they have very polished carefully constructed responses that don't really say much about anything.  Corgan speaks his mind, his opinions and never filters anything.   It makes him come off as an a-hole sometimes, but I respect that he doesn't guard himself like most other famous people...

    Besides if I found the person behind the music annoying I'd never listen to U2 :)  I can also separate my like of the music from the person singing it :)
    I can respect people who speak what's on their mind, but if what is on your mind is douchebaggery, well, you're a douchebag. :o
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  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    Monuments was an outstanding album in my opinion, I've listened to it a lot recently, best since Mellon Collie. Looking forward to his new solo record. I've had it on preorder on pink vinyl for ages.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    I just think Billy sounds like shit now and has for years. I love the early SP albums up to and including Mellon Collie.... but I find any of his new stuff basically equivalent to nails on a chalk board. It's weird.
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  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    His vocal delivery has also been an acquired taste and not something I particularly love but Monuments is definitely worth giving another listen. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that there will be any new releases as good as the first 3.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263

    FR181798 said:
    His vocal delivery has also been an acquired taste and not something I particularly love but Monuments is definitely worth giving another listen. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that there will be any new releases as good as the first 3.
    Familiarity breeds contempt sometimes.  There will never be another great Pearl Jam record as far my ears are concerned.  Been listening to Eddie and the guys for 22 years now and whatever they put out won't seem as great as the good old days.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,993
    been really turned off to the guy and his music since he started doing appearances on Alex Jones' show.

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    Tim Simmons said:
    been really turned off to the guy and his music since he started doing appearances on Alex Jones' show.

    Haha, yeah. What the fuck is that all about. Corgan is a loon.
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    He’s #1 on my list of 90s musicians who would be 10000x cooler if he left the spotlight after the breakup.  My connection to everything gish-machinaII is just about gone. 
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Love everything this guy has done musically - I don't get too concerned with it all outside of that. Guy was horribly abused as a child. He's a living miracle if you ask me, but didn't come away from that abuse unscathed. The behavior you see (sorry, putting my clinicians hat on here) is quite typical for someone with a traumatic past. Anyway, cut him some slack, or don't, but there's founded reasons that explain his behavior.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,916
    cp3iverson said:
    He’s #1 on my list of 90s musicians who would be 10000x cooler if he left the spotlight after the breakup.  My connection to everything gish-machinaII is just about gone. 
    Yah, he probably would of been.   I felt the Pumpkins were waning even before they broke up.    I loved Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, Mellon Collie, and The Aeroplane Flies High.  I thought Adore was ok.... but after that I kind of faded away.   I still love the first bunch of albums, but I think continuing after Adore, kind of watered down the pumpkins brand.

    Given the lack of 90s bands left.   The prospect of an original pumpkins lineup reunion has me pretty stoked.   I'd love to see that.   It's been 20 years since i've seen them, and even then it was the short stint with another drummer (after Jimmy got kicked out of the band for a while)   The upside being I think the drummer was Matt Chamberlain... lol....
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,547
    Tickets for tonight's showing of his film "Pillbox" which accompanies this solo album in hand.  Corgan will be in the house.  Can't wait.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,842
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Love everything this guy has done musically - I don't get too concerned with it all outside of that. Guy was horribly abused as a child. He's a living miracle if you ask me, but didn't come away from that abuse unscathed. The behavior you see (sorry, putting my clinicians hat on here) is quite typical for someone with a traumatic past. Anyway, cut him some slack, or don't, but there's founded reasons that explain his behavior.
    interesting. I didn't know that. 

    sometimes it's hard for me to enjoy his music because he comes off as such a dick, but he is still incredibly talented. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,842
    whatchya'll think of his first solo album?
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