Details about pressing the re-issues

PJammin

Drop the needle on a clean copy of a Ludwig pressed Zeppelin II and your ears will be very happy and you will definitely notice a difference.

PJammin

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

mrussel1

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

Great example.  And Zeppelin I remaster just explodes off the TT..  

whoanelly15

HughFreakingDillon said:

if people could get the same vinyl sound out of a digital file, on a digital device, would they? my guess is no. look at the failure of the pono as your proof. half the draw of vinyl is the romanticism to it. people picture themselves by a raging fire in their den, sitting in a high-back chair in their robe and their feet swishing on a bear skin rug, sipping expensive whiskey and dropping the needle.

in reality, they are sitting in their sweats and chugging from a pabst on their dorito-cheese-powder-stained 

Both of those sound amazing to me!

dankind

mrussel1 said:

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

Great example.  And Zeppelin I remaster just explodes off the TT..  

Did they ever fix the issues with IV? That one is unplayable. Is the EU press flawless, similar to HotH?

mrussel1

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

Great example.  And Zeppelin I remaster just explodes off the TT..  

Did they ever fix the issues with IV? That one is unplayable. Is the EU press flawless, similar to HotH?

Funny you should ask.  My IV which I got earlier this year is fine.  Also, I ordered an EU from Import_CD of HOH because I heard the nightmares about the US version.  Well they sent me teh US but it is perfect.  Maybe the next run took care of the issue, because my copy looks and sounds great.  I totally expected it to be a dud. 

MedozK

PJammin said:

Drop the needle on a clean copy of a Ludwig pressed Zeppelin II and your ears will be very happy and you will definitely notice a difference.

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

I have never actually heard "The Beast" in person, but I have heard many good stories.

BK5403

The debate about mp3 vs CD quality vs high res will go on forever. Fine. This thread started as a call for transparency. Some people care, some don't. Doesn't hurt anyone to reveal what our $$ is being spent on. 

High res (or vinyl cut from high res) or vinyl cut from an original tape only gives the album a medium where it has a chance to sound its best. If it's mixed and mastered like shit or the dynamics are crushed to hell, the format doesn't matter. I appreciate when my favorite music also sounds good and think vinyl or high res (when done right) kicks the most ass ... but a well mixed/mastered mp3 will beat a shit mixed/mastered piece of vinyl cut from the analog tape every time. But a thoughtfully done mix/master cut from it's original source to vinyl (especially 2 LPs at 45 RPMs) is gonna make your favorite music kick your ass and give you shivers unlike anything else. If anyone has a chance to check out Beck's MoFi Sea Change or the 2LP 45 RPM version of In Rainbows on a somewhat decent stereo, you'll know what i mean. 

BK5403

MedozK said:

PJammin said:

Drop the needle on a clean copy of a Ludwig pressed Zeppelin II and your ears will be very happy and you will definitely notice a difference.

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

I have never actually heard "The Beast" in person, but I have heard many good stories.

I lucked upon a copy of this a few years ago ... i think it got played a lot cause it's a bit noisy, but holy crap it still rocks. 

PJammin

I like to spin the RL cut Zep II in the dark. It sounds like Plant is singing in the room right next to you. It's tough these days to find a clean copy now that the secret is out so to speak on what to look for on the Ludwig pressings. I've probably owned 8-10 of them over the years and they are incredible. There are some copies out there that are Ludwig pressings on one side and Lee Hulko pressings on the other side. These can usually be had for about 1/3 of a Ludwig pressing and sound really good to my ears. There is also an early German pressing that has very similar markings (short runoff etc) that I'm almost convinced might actually be from the Ludwig masters because it sounds great too. For me, I always play a Ludwig Zep II for my friends who give me a hard time about vinyl not sounding as good and it's usually a tough argument for them. Then again, music is like food in many ones, and we each have our own taste. For me it's always been vinyl.

lolobugg

BK5403 said:

The debate about mp3 vs CD quality vs high res will go on forever. Fine. This thread started as a call for transparency. Some people care, some don't. Doesn't hurt anyone to reveal what our $$ is being spent on. 

High res (or vinyl cut from high res) or vinyl cut from an original tape only gives the album a medium where it has a chance to sound its best. If it's mixed and mastered like shit or the dynamics are crushed to hell, the format doesn't matter. I appreciate when my favorite music also sounds good and think vinyl or high res (when done right) kicks the most ass ... but a well mixed/mastered mp3 will beat a shit mixed/mastered piece of vinyl cut from the analog tape every time. But a thoughtfully done mix/master cut from it's original source to vinyl (especially 2 LPs at 45 RPMs) is gonna make your favorite music kick your ass and give you shivers unlike anything else. If anyone has a chance to check out Beck's MoFi Sea Change or the 2LP 45 RPM version of In Rainbows on a somewhat decent stereo, you'll know what i mean. 

Good choices... and for a "live" album, I would like to recommend Wilco's Kicking Television: Live in Chicago.

Sounds like you are right there next to the soundboard. Vinyl done right cannot be beaten.

northerndragon

As a non audiophile I can say for certain that there are only two albums I can completely tell the difference between vinyl and other forms of media. Those being Mad Season - Live at the Moore and Binaural.
That Mad Season is fucking beautiful. 
Other than that I leave it up to my SO to be the geek out audiophile.

mrussel1

northerndragon said:

As a non audiophile I can say for certain that there are only two albums I can completely tell the difference between vinyl and other forms of media. Those being Mad Season - Live at the Moore and Binaural.
That Mad Season is fucking beautiful. 
Other than that I leave it up to my SO to be the geek out audiophile.

Live at the Moore is great.  I would doubt it's analog but for whatever reason, it sounds materially different on vinyl.  Another album many on here may have that is definitely better is Neil Young Live at Massey Hall.  That one is astounding on vinyl.  I't like he is in the damn room.  

hrd2imgn

Trent/NIN did all digtial HD sourced stuff for his reissues this past year.  H is as big a sound snob as you get, if good for him, good for me I guess

PJammer4life

mrussel1 said:

northerndragon said:

As a non audiophile I can say for certain that there are only two albums I can completely tell the difference between vinyl and other forms of media. Those being Mad Season - Live at the Moore and Binaural.
That Mad Season is fucking beautiful. 
Other than that I leave it up to my SO to be the geek out audiophile.

Live at the Moore is great.  I would doubt it's analog but for whatever reason, it sounds materially different on vinyl.  Another album many on here may have that is definitely better is Neil Young Live at Massey Hall.  That one is astounding on vinyl.  I't like he is in the damn room.  

Is that 180 or the 200 gram version of NY Massey?

mrussel1

PJammer4life said:

mrussel1 said:

northerndragon said:

As a non audiophile I can say for certain that there are only two albums I can completely tell the difference between vinyl and other forms of media. Those being Mad Season - Live at the Moore and Binaural.
That Mad Season is fucking beautiful. 
Other than that I leave it up to my SO to be the geek out audiophile.

Live at the Moore is great.  I would doubt it's analog but for whatever reason, it sounds materially different on vinyl.  Another album many on here may have that is definitely better is Neil Young Live at Massey Hall.  That one is astounding on vinyl.  I't like he is in the damn room.  

Is that 180 or the 200 gram version of NY Massey?

You know, I don't really know for sure.  I have 43328-1, but both the 180 and 200 gram versions have the same number.  They are both done by Chris Bellman too.  I paid $30 or so for it, so I'm guessing it's the 180 gram.  The 200 goes for much more it seems.  It's probably this one: https://www.discogs.com/Neil-Young-Massey-Hall-1971/release/3610191

InBetweenIsMne

mrussel1 said:

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

Great example.  And Zeppelin I remaster just explodes off the TT..  

I have my Dad's Led Zep 1 and it sounds amazing in comparison to more recent vinyl productions. I'll have to check out the remastered one too now!

what year was it remastered?

DewieCox

Massey is insane. I think some of Neil's recent reissues are digital hi res from the analog tapes, so not AAA, but still some of the best sounding records around. Same deal with the Floyd reissues.

The Zep reissues are from a couple years ago. Sound fantastic imo, but there are a lot of snobs that don't care for them. Those same people also preach about the wide availability of older superior pressings but that hasn't been my experience at all.

mrussel1

InBetweenIsMne said:

mrussel1 said:

PJammin said:

****sorry Ludwig mastered*** he didn't actually press the record.

Great example.  And Zeppelin I remaster just explodes off the TT..  

I have my Dad's Led Zep 1 and it sounds amazing in comparison to more recent vinyl productions. I'll have to check out the remastered one too now!

what year was it remastered?

2014.  Jimmy Page managed the whole thing.  https://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-Led-Zeppelin/release/5770447

You can see the high marks and comments..

2-feign-reluctance

The Zep reissues on CD are seriously amazing. Better than anything that ever existed on CD prior. I only have In Through The Out Door on vinyl from the reissue a few yrs back & its awesome! I have an original pressing & there's not much difference between them.