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So much rallying around the very stable genius, eh?
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The same as Joe Walsh and thinking he can win a presidency..Halifax2TheMax said:Cris Christie is on his apology tour begging for civility. What a douche bag. Does he remember how he conducted himself as governor? He’s now the voice of reason? Making excuses for Team Trump Treason? What a puke and if you buy what he’s selling? Thanks for dragging the country further down the rat hole.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I want to talk Glen Beck.
I used to watch him on FOX and thought he was entertaining. I fell in love with him the day he dressed up as George Washington. I lost interest when he started these crazy connect the dots conspiracy theories.
Well he is still doing these conspiracy theories and has a timeline set up about Biden and the Ukraine investigation.
My real question is how can I fact check his dates without going down some rabbit hole?
The political right won't except SNOPES as a valid answer for fact checking anymore so besides doing crazy google searches where else is everyone gathering info?0 -
Disagree with this for sure. Unsure what local or even state people have to do with some of this. And I certainly don’t want a 1 party systemBentleyspop said:hippiemom = goodness0 -
The dates don't matter one iota. Here are the facts, feel free to check them.tempo_n_groove said:I want to talk Glen Beck.
I used to watch him on FOX and thought he was entertaining. I fell in love with him the day he dressed up as George Washington. I lost interest when he started these crazy connect the dots conspiracy theories.
Well he is still doing these conspiracy theories and has a timeline set up about Biden and the Ukraine investigation.
My real question is how can I fact check his dates without going down some rabbit hole?
The political right won't except SNOPES as a valid answer for fact checking anymore so besides doing crazy google searches where else is everyone gathering info?
1. The Ukrainian prosecutor Vicktor Shokin had refused to investigate the gas company where Biden son was a consultant or board member.
2. it was official US policy and EU policy that this prosecutor should be removed for not investigating corruption. Biden was the point person for that removal.
3. The new prosecutor, installed based on pressure from US and EU was Lutsenko. He was prosecutor until very recently and he did the investigation and found no violation of Ukrainian laws.
This is all bullcrap and a giant red herring. The facts of what happened show that Biden was representing official US policy in this process. That's the key point. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n10591360 -
^^^^ to that end.....Sept. 26, 2019, 1:18 PM EDTBy Dareh Gregorian
A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.
"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
Lutsenko, who served as Ukraine's prosecutor general from May 2016 until last month, closed the investigation into the gas company Burisma and its oligarch owner in 2017, The New York Times has reported. Earlier this year, Lutsenko met with President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and discussed Burisma, Lutsenko's spokeswoman told Bloomberg. Then in March, according to the Times, Lutsenko reopened an investigation into the company, though his spokeswoman has disputed that.
The meetings with Giuliani were referred to in a bombshell whistleblower complaint unsealed Thursday that alleged that Trump had pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the Bidens.
Download the NBC News app for full coverage of the impeachment inquiry
In May, Lutsenko told Bloomberg News that his office had found no evidence of wrongdoing against Hunter Biden or his father, Joe Biden, who'd helped to oust Lutsenko's predecessor.
That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, had been accused of failing to act in numerous corruption cases, including the investigation into Burisma. In addition to the United States government, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund have demanded that Shokin be replaced.
On Thursday, Lutsenko said he did not know of any Trump administration officials going to Ukraine to investigate the claims against the Bidens.
“No American groups came to Ukraine for an investigation,” he told the Post.
Lutsenko added that whatever wrongdoing there might have been at Burisma took place before Hunter Biden joined the company.
“Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival,” Lutsenko told the Post.
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All you need to know is “put up or shut up.” Remember all of the controversies around Hillary from 30 years ago to today? Chants of lock her up still get chanted. If Biden or his son had done anything wrong, CYA Barr and the repub senate investigative committees would be all over it. Instead, Ghouliani is sent to the talk shows to gin up conspiracy theories. All of which have been debunked. They really should stop giving these factless bullshit artists air time to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories.tempo_n_groove said:I want to talk Glen Beck.
I used to watch him on FOX and thought he was entertaining. I fell in love with him the day he dressed up as George Washington. I lost interest when he started these crazy connect the dots conspiracy theories.
Well he is still doing these conspiracy theories and has a timeline set up about Biden and the Ukraine investigation.
My real question is how can I fact check his dates without going down some rabbit hole?
The political right won't except SNOPES as a valid answer for fact checking anymore so besides doing crazy google searches where else is everyone gathering info?
There are plenty of reputable news outlets and by reading basically the same set of facts, you get an informed opinion.
Dont go down the rabbit hole.
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agree with you on that. not every republican is a trumpster.cincybearcat said:
Disagree with this for sure. Unsure what local or even state people have to do with some of this. And I certainly don’t want a 1 party systemBentleyspop said:Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
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The dates don't matter one iota. Here are the facts, feel free to check them.tempo_n_groove said:I want to talk Glen Beck.
I used to watch him on FOX and thought he was entertaining. I fell in love with him the day he dressed up as George Washington. I lost interest when he started these crazy connect the dots conspiracy theories.
Well he is still doing these conspiracy theories and has a timeline set up about Biden and the Ukraine investigation.
My real question is how can I fact check his dates without going down some rabbit hole?
The political right won't except SNOPES as a valid answer for fact checking anymore so besides doing crazy google searches where else is everyone gathering info?
1. The Ukrainian prosecutor Vicktor Shokin had refused to investigate the gas company where Biden son was a consultant or board member.
2. it was official US policy and EU policy that this prosecutor should be removed for not investigating corruption. Biden was the point person for that removal.
3. The new prosecutor, installed based on pressure from US and EU was Lutsenko. He was prosecutor until very recently and he did the investigation and found no violation of Ukrainian laws.
This is all bullcrap and a giant red herring. The facts of what happened show that Biden was representing official US policy in this process. That's the key point. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n1059136
TYmickeyrat said:^^^^ to that end.....Sept. 26, 2019, 1:18 PM EDTBy Dareh GregorianA former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.
"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
Lutsenko, who served as Ukraine's prosecutor general from May 2016 until last month, closed the investigation into the gas company Burisma and its oligarch owner in 2017, The New York Times has reported. Earlier this year, Lutsenko met with President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and discussed Burisma, Lutsenko's spokeswoman told Bloomberg. Then in March, according to the Times, Lutsenko reopened an investigation into the company, though his spokeswoman has disputed that.
The meetings with Giuliani were referred to in a bombshell whistleblower complaint unsealed Thursday that alleged that Trump had pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the Bidens.
Download the NBC News app for full coverage of the impeachment inquiry
In May, Lutsenko told Bloomberg News that his office had found no evidence of wrongdoing against Hunter Biden or his father, Joe Biden, who'd helped to oust Lutsenko's predecessor.
That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, had been accused of failing to act in numerous corruption cases, including the investigation into Burisma. In addition to the United States government, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund have demanded that Shokin be replaced.
On Thursday, Lutsenko said he did not know of any Trump administration officials going to Ukraine to investigate the claims against the Bidens.
“No American groups came to Ukraine for an investigation,” he told the Post.
Lutsenko added that whatever wrongdoing there might have been at Burisma took place before Hunter Biden joined the company.
“Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival,” Lutsenko told the Post.
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so funny/sad to watch the party of "grab em by the p***y" and "mexicans are rapists and murderers" "democrats are snowflakes" etc, etc, are getting all hot and bothered over Robert DeNiro dropping the F bomb twice on CNN in regards to Fox News.
Party of hypocrites. and that's being nice.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Certainly became some big hypocrites.HughFreakingDillon said:so funny/sad to watch the party of "grab em by the p***y" and "mexicans are rapists and murderers" "democrats are snowflakes" etc, etc, are getting all hot and bothered over Robert DeNiro dropping the F bomb twice on CNN in regards to Fox News.
Party of hypocrites. and that's being nice.
I dint care about DeNiro swearing. I am concerned about CNN having him on to discuss politics though. Seems like a very weird choice.hippiemom = goodness0 -
ratings. pure and simple. they were hoping for an explosive sound byte, and they got one.cincybearcat said:
Certainly became some big hypocrites.HughFreakingDillon said:so funny/sad to watch the party of "grab em by the p***y" and "mexicans are rapists and murderers" "democrats are snowflakes" etc, etc, are getting all hot and bothered over Robert DeNiro dropping the F bomb twice on CNN in regards to Fox News.
Party of hypocrites. and that's being nice.
I dint care about DeNiro swearing. I am concerned about CNN having him on to discuss politics though. Seems like a very weird choice.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
True. Just a sad reason.HughFreakingDillon said:
ratings. pure and simple. they were hoping for an explosive sound byte, and they got one.cincybearcat said:
Certainly became some big hypocrites.HughFreakingDillon said:so funny/sad to watch the party of "grab em by the p***y" and "mexicans are rapists and murderers" "democrats are snowflakes" etc, etc, are getting all hot and bothered over Robert DeNiro dropping the F bomb twice on CNN in regards to Fox News.
Party of hypocrites. and that's being nice.
I dint care about DeNiro swearing. I am concerned about CNN having him on to discuss politics though. Seems like a very weird choice.
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By the way I said the Republican Party was dead in 2017. I was right. This ain’t the Republican Party. Sad to see it go, even sadder to see how it went. Maybe the Democratic Party will split and I can join the moderate side
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Depends on what you meant by dead. The Party of Trump is still Coke to the Dems’ RC Cola. Its dominance should remain, no small thanks to the inept Dems.cincybearcat said:By the way I said the Republican Party was dead in 2017. I was right. This ain’t the Republican Party. Sad to see it go, even sadder to see how it went. Maybe the Democratic Party will split and I can join the moderate side
But that old Eisenhower party? Yeah, that’s done for the foreseeable future. I don’t really know where the 12 percent of those who are unhappy with the Party of Trump go.Post edited by OnWis97 on1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Neither do I. I don’t like being an orphanOnWis97 said:
Depends on what you meant by dead. The Party of Trump is still Coke to the Dems’ RC Cola. It’s dominance should remain, no small thanks to the inept Dems.cincybearcat said:By the way I said the Republican Party was dead in 2017. I was right. This ain’t the Republican Party. Sad to see it go, even sadder to see how it went. Maybe the Democratic Party will split and I can join the moderate side
But that old Eisenhower party? Yeah, that’s done for the foreseeable future. I don’t really know where the 12 percent of those who are unhappy with the Party of Trump go. hippiemom = goodness0 -
Mitt Romney. He’d be your first billionaire president.cincybearcat said:
Neither do I. I don’t like being an orphanOnWis97 said:
Depends on what you meant by dead. The Party of Trump is still Coke to the Dems’ RC Cola. It’s dominance should remain, no small thanks to the inept Dems.cincybearcat said:By the way I said the Republican Party was dead in 2017. I was right. This ain’t the Republican Party. Sad to see it go, even sadder to see how it went. Maybe the Democratic Party will split and I can join the moderate side
But that old Eisenhower party? Yeah, that’s done for the foreseeable future. I don’t really know where the 12 percent of those who are unhappy with the Party of Trump go.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It died when they went full evangelical Christian and Tea Partied to no morals, ethics, empathy or facts
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No that’s when it got infectedSmellyman said:It died when they went full evangelical Christian and Tea Partied to no morals, ethics, empathy or facts
It then started a rapid decline the moment Mitt lost to Obama and the party doubled down on the extreme right and other things in an effort to get power.
Then the nomination of trump ended the GOP. It’ll be interesting what happens with the party over the next 20 years...hippiemom = goodness0
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