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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    brianlux said:
    Just read this in bed, ready to hit the zzzz'z and was so blown away I got up to jot it down:

    "Every wild thing is in tune with its surroundings, awake to it's fate and in absolute harmony with the planet.  Their attention is focused totally outwards.  Humans, on the other hand, tend to focus introspectively on their own lives too often, brooding and magnifying problems that the animal kingdom would not waste a millisecond of energy upon.  To most people, the magnificent order of the natural world where life and death actually mean something has become unrecognizable."

    Lawrence Anthony, The Elephant Listener*, p.249

    *The author points out that term "Elephant Listener" refers to the awareness of elephants, not that of the author.


    Thanks for sharing Brian. And when we do try to focus on our planet and our harmony with it, it's a hoax and waste of money according to a lot of people. We expect everything to adapt to us and our way of life.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    Just read this in bed, ready to hit the zzzz'z and was so blown away I got up to jot it down:

    "Every wild thing is in tune with its surroundings, awake to it's fate and in absolute harmony with the planet.  Their attention is focused totally outwards.  Humans, on the other hand, tend to focus introspectively on their own lives too often, brooding and magnifying problems that the animal kingdom would not waste a millisecond of energy upon.  To most people, the magnificent order of the natural world where life and death actually mean something has become unrecognizable."

    Lawrence Anthony, The Elephant Listener*, p.249

    *The author points out that term "Elephant Listener" refers to the awareness of elephants, not that of the author.


    Thanks for sharing Brian. And when we do try to focus on our planet and our harmony with it, it's a hoax and waste of money according to a lot of people. We expect everything to adapt to us and our way of life.
    Exactly, T!  That way of thinking is what is sometimes referred to as anthropocentric thinking.  It's a shame we don't more often use biocentric thinking which would be better for us as a species and better for the planet.  Out anthropocentric thinking (and way of living) may prove to be self-eliminating at some point.

    The Elephant Listener is a great book by the way. 

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    Just read this in bed, ready to hit the zzzz'z and was so blown away I got up to jot it down:

    "Every wild thing is in tune with its surroundings, awake to it's fate and in absolute harmony with the planet.  Their attention is focused totally outwards.  Humans, on the other hand, tend to focus introspectively on their own lives too often, brooding and magnifying problems that the animal kingdom would not waste a millisecond of energy upon.  To most people, the magnificent order of the natural world where life and death actually mean something has become unrecognizable."

    Lawrence Anthony, The Elephant Listener*, p.249

    *The author points out that term "Elephant Listener" refers to the awareness of elephants, not that of the author.


    Thanks for sharing Brian. And when we do try to focus on our planet and our harmony with it, it's a hoax and waste of money according to a lot of people. We expect everything to adapt to us and our way of life.
    Exactly, T!  That way of thinking is what is sometimes referred to as anthropocentric thinking.  It's a shame we don't more often use biocentric thinking which would be better for us as a species and better for the planet.  Out anthropocentric thinking (and way of living) may prove to be self-eliminating at some point.

    The Elephant Listener is a great book by the way. 

    I'll add it to the list! So many good books and so little time to read them all.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    Just read this in bed, ready to hit the zzzz'z and was so blown away I got up to jot it down:

    "Every wild thing is in tune with its surroundings, awake to it's fate and in absolute harmony with the planet.  Their attention is focused totally outwards.  Humans, on the other hand, tend to focus introspectively on their own lives too often, brooding and magnifying problems that the animal kingdom would not waste a millisecond of energy upon.  To most people, the magnificent order of the natural world where life and death actually mean something has become unrecognizable."

    Lawrence Anthony, The Elephant Listener*, p.249

    *The author points out that term "Elephant Listener" refers to the awareness of elephants, not that of the author.


    Thanks for sharing Brian. And when we do try to focus on our planet and our harmony with it, it's a hoax and waste of money according to a lot of people. We expect everything to adapt to us and our way of life.
    Exactly, T!  That way of thinking is what is sometimes referred to as anthropocentric thinking.  It's a shame we don't more often use biocentric thinking which would be better for us as a species and better for the planet.  Out anthropocentric thinking (and way of living) may prove to be self-eliminating at some point.

    The Elephant Listener is a great book by the way. 

    I'll add it to the list! So many good books and so little time to read them all.
    Oh man, ain't it so!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    I see animals as being in the moment in the purest sense. Our human ability to reflect, forecast, and be conscience of self also can drive us nuts. Our culture exacerbates this. We plan, have regrets, stress about things out of our control, and think we can do multiple things at the same time. My dogs give me the gift of letting me know there is no better time than what is right now. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    Go Beavers said:
    I see animals as being in the moment in the purest sense. Our human ability to reflect, forecast, and be conscience of self also can drive us nuts. Our culture exacerbates this. We plan, have regrets, stress about things out of our control, and think we can do multiple things at the same time. My dogs give me the gift of letting me know there is no better time than what is right now. 
    I'm TERRIBLE when it comes to fretting over things that haven't even happened yet.  Stress is my middle name.  I think that's why I like the Lawrence Anthony quote so much and also why I totally get what you mean about how an animal like your dog can help keep the focus on the moment. I need those reminders as much or more than anyone!

    My cat does that too.  I was having this bad dream about my cat Annie this morning and next thing I know she has jumped up on the bed and meowed (which is unusual for her) as if to say, "Hey, that's not what's happening, this is.  Let's purr and be in the here and now!"
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    This is just an okay troll post, but thanks for highlighting another example of economic racism that also combines white privilege. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    YEAH, DAMN IT!!  SON OF A BITCH!!

    (I don't know why I said that, but I sincerely hope that qualifies as the emotive rageophonic verbal effluence you were seeking!  :smile:  )
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    brianlux said:
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    YEAH, DAMN IT!!  SON OF A BITCH!!

    (I don't know why I said that, but I sincerely hope that qualifies as the emotive rageophonic verbal effluence you were seeking!  :smile:  )
    I don't see much on Yemen either. 
    US UK arm Saudis and destroy a starving Yemen meanwhile Russia Russia Russia sends 25 million tons of food.

    "don't it make you smile, don't it make you smile"
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,125
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    YEAH, DAMN IT!!  SON OF A BITCH!!

    (I don't know why I said that, but I sincerely hope that qualifies as the emotive rageophonic verbal effluence you were seeking!  :smile:  )
    I don't see much on Yemen either. 
    US UK arm Saudis and destroy a starving Yemen meanwhile Russia Russia Russia sends 25 million tons of food.

    "don't it make you smile, don't it make you smile"
    Feel free to start a thread but I guess most trolls don't pay attention to who posts what about what. They just push their agenda, usually on queue?
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  • pljam
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    Tomorrow !!
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,444
    JC29856 said:
    brianlux said:
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    YEAH, DAMN IT!!  SON OF A BITCH!!

    (I don't know why I said that, but I sincerely hope that qualifies as the emotive rageophonic verbal effluence you were seeking!  :smile:  )
    I don't see much on Yemen either. 
    US UK arm Saudis and destroy a starving Yemen meanwhile Russia Russia Russia sends 25 million tons of food.

    "don't it make you smile, don't it make you smile"
    You seem to think that, like you, people choose to share every thought that comes to mind on here - and if they don't, they simply don't care.

    I find the US arming and refuelling of Saudi army jets to facilitate the bombing of Yemen to be absolutely despicable. I also see no way to debate that ugliness, as it's utterly incomprehensible and without a defendable position - so why would I waste my time posting about it when I'm powerless to facilitate change or even learn more about it?

    Clearly you want to be the board's shining beacon who educates the masses - and no one is stopping you - but to assume that because we're not here up in arms and preaching about how sad and corrupt things are, that we just don't care - is a really terrible and likely false assumption on your part. 

    Also, your tongue-in-cheek sarcastic quips on serious topics about nefarious actions are just distasteful. I'm no PC Nazi, but I'm at least self-aware enough to recognize that showing smugness in taking adversarial positions to those you're trying to convince is one of the least effective way to sway opinion. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    What is your point here? That someone can't be against racism if they don't post about every single incidence of racism that exists today? I don't think you reach that bar either, but feel free to try. I personally don't have time to post on everything.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,125
    oftenreading said:
    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    What is your point here? That someone can't be against racism if they don't post about every single incidence of racism that exists today? I don't think you reach that bar either, but feel free to try. I personally don't have time to post on everything.
    And you know, for some of us, it's just not news but rather another example, in a long list of them, of white privilege and institutionalized racism. I'm sure Trump's justice department is working hard to combat it.
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  • dignin
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    JC29856 said:
    where are all the amt lefties on real racial issues? I guess they only care about race when it's politically expedient to call someone racist.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
    Sorry, but when you voted for Trump you lost any stake you may have had on the moral high ground.


  • Shyner
    Shyner Posts: 1,226
    The songs of ones fallen away matter. 
    The songs of ones remaining matter. 
    You matter
    I do too
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    A woman called Heather Heyer
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    JC29856 said:
    A woman called Heather Heyer
    There are women of many descriptions
    In this queer world, as everyone knows
    Some are living in beautiful mansions
    And are wearing the finest of clothes
    There are blue blood queens and princesses
    Who have charms made of diamonds and pearl
    But the only and thoroughbred lady
    Is the Rebel Girl

    That’s the Rebel Girl, the Rebel Girl!
    To the working class, she’s a precious pearl
    She brings courage, pride and joy
    To the fighting Rebel Boy
    We’ve had girls before, but we need some more
    In the Industrial Workers of the World
    For it’s great to fight for freedom
    With a Rebel Girl

    Yes, her hands may be hardened from labor
    And her dress may not be very fine
    But a heart in her bosom is beating
    That is true to her class and her kind
    And the grafters in terror are trembling
    When her spite and defiance she’ll hurl
    For the only and thoroughbred lady
    Is the Rebel Girl

    That’s the Rebel Girl, the Rebel Girl!
    To the working class, she’s a precious pearl
    She brings courage, pride and joy
    To the fighting Rebel Boy
    We’ve had girls before, but we need some more
    In the Industrial Workers of the World
    For it’s great to fight for freedom
    With a Rebel Girl
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    A woman called Heather Heyer
    There are women of many descriptions
    In this queer world, as everyone knows
    Some are living in beautiful mansions
    And are wearing the finest of clothes
    There are blue blood queens and princesses
    Who have charms made of diamonds and pearl
    But the only and thoroughbred lady
    Is the Rebel Girl

    That’s the Rebel Girl, the Rebel Girl!
    To the working class, she’s a precious pearl
    She brings courage, pride and joy
    To the fighting Rebel Boy
    We’ve had girls before, but we need some more
    In the Industrial Workers of the World
    For it’s great to fight for freedom
    With a Rebel Girl

    Yes, her hands may be hardened from labor
    And her dress may not be very fine
    But a heart in her bosom is beating
    That is true to her class and her kind
    And the grafters in terror are trembling
    When her spite and defiance she’ll hurl
    For the only and thoroughbred lady
    Is the Rebel Girl

    That’s the Rebel Girl, the Rebel Girl!
    To the working class, she’s a precious pearl
    She brings courage, pride and joy
    To the fighting Rebel Boy
    We’ve had girls before, but we need some more
    In the Industrial Workers of the World
    For it’s great to fight for freedom
    With a Rebel Girl


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