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PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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Is there any reason to do this anymore?
Articles like this make me sick http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/doctor-accused-of-genital-mutilation-on-girls/ar-BBzOUEy?ocid=spartanntp.
Especially when people have to be politically correct by stating A Detroit area physician faces federal charges for allegedly performing female genital mutilation on multiple 6- to 7-year-old girls as part of a religious and cultural practice

There is no reason to do this to children and babies. It is child abuse.
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  • OffSheGoes35OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,516
    Psst!

    People don't like to envision mutilated vajajays first thing in the morning. Let them enjoy their coffee for chrissakes!
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Is there any reason to do this anymore?
    Articles like this make me sick http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/doctor-accused-of-genital-mutilation-on-girls/ar-BBzOUEy?ocid=spartanntp.
    Especially when people have to be politically correct by stating A Detroit area physician faces federal charges for allegedly performing female genital mutilation on multiple 6- to 7-year-old girls as part of a religious and cultural practice

    There is no reason to do this to children and babies. It is child abuse.

    Where is the political correctness? It's a statement of fact.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    They didn't report what religion it was done in the name of.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    They didn't report what religion it was done in the name of.

    Ahhh I see, you assume it was done in the name of Islam?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    They didn't report what religion it was done in the name of.

    Ahhh I see, you assume it was done in the name of Islam?
    I don't know what religion or culture it was as the article did not state one.
    At any rate it is child abuse no matter what culture or religion it was done in the name of.

  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    FGM is a cultural practice, it is and has been practiced in extremist sects of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and other religions.
    It is tied to religion closely, but is more of a cultural tradition than a religious one.
    This doctor is from India, and area that is 88% Hindu and around 10% Muslim.
    Your assumption is yours to make, but there's no reason journalists should be making those kind of assumptions.
    If they did and you didn't agree you would be calling it fake news.
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,455
    I'm glad my parents chose to have me circumcised, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what this article is about.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I know it's a cultural practice.
    The journalist to be thorough should have reported the culture and religion.
    Instead it was written as PC so as not to offend.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    HesCalledDyer said:

    I'm glad my parents chose to have me circumcised, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what this article is about.

    Agreed.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited April 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I know it's a cultural practice.
    The journalist to be thorough should have reported the culture and religion.
    Instead it was written as PC so as not to offend.

    It was reported that she is Gujarati, the victims may be from different religions, obscure sects, they may be completely unknown, and they probably want to protect the privacy and dignity of the children that suffered this shitty fate.

    Admit it, you made an assumption that it was Islamic and they deliberately left that out, now you are trying to walk it back.

    You could be right, but it's a shitty assumption, not particularly groovy, IMO.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I didn't assume anything. The parents of the child that did this, their culture/religion was left out.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    :lol:
    Ok
    That makes perfect sense!
    :dizzy:
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,455
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I didn't assume anything. The parents of the child that did this, their culture/religion was left out.

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    They didn't report what religion it was done in the name of.

    Ahhh I see, you assume it was done in the name of Islam?
    I don't know what religion or culture it was as the article did not state one.
    At any rate it is child abuse no matter what culture or religion it was done in the name of.
    Then why is it important that you need to know which religion or culture it was?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    To expose all aspects of a particular culture/religion that practices these barbaric acts.

  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    To expose all aspects of a (((particular culture/religion))) that practices these barbaric acts.

    we get it...wink
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,455
    But if your opinion is that it's abuse no matter which religion (and I'd agree), the particular religion is a moot point. Religion didn't commit the crime. Some whack-job committed the crime based on her whack-job interpretation of whatever religion it is.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,455
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    It's a practiced condoned by a whack-job doctor and some whack-job parents because they've misinterpreted their religion. Not all doctors/parents do this.
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  • OffSheGoes35OffSheGoes35 Posts: 3,516
    Well, I was wrong. Guess I'll enjoy my coffee with a side of crow this morning.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Fuck Dr. Nagarwala's culture. Fuck Dr. Nagarwala's religion. Fuck Dr. Nagarwala. I hope she is indicted and convicted on federal criminal charges of sexual assault, and put on a sex registrysentenced to life in prison. Fucking barbarism. And I thought those cops in Bumfuck, SD doing forced catheterizations were cruel and deviant.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Kat, Sea
    Please close this thread.
    Thank You
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,385
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    Google "Attleboro" and "Religious" and "Child death for beliefs," And "they" called themselves Christians. Happy Easter.

    Care to differentiate between what your faux outrage is about and how "not all religions/cultures do this?"

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    Google "Attleboro" and "Religious" and "Child death for beliefs," And "they" called themselves Christians. Happy Easter.
    Care to differentiate between what your faux outrage is about and how "not all religions/cultures do this?"
    https://www.culteducation.com/group/830-the-attleboro-robidoux-sect/583-mass-v-robidoux-cult-dad-starves-baby.html
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Again,
    Mods please shut this thread down as quickly as you did my thread on the Porch.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Again,
    Mods please shut this thread down as quickly as you did my thread on the Porch.

    Do you want me to flag you? I'd be delighted.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,385
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    Google "Attleboro" and "Religious" and "Child death for beliefs," And "they" called themselves Christians. Happy Easter.
    Care to differentiate between what your faux outrage is about and how "not all religions/cultures do this?"
    https://www.culteducation.com/group/830-the-attleboro-robidoux-sect/583-mass-v-robidoux-cult-dad-starves-baby.html
    Too little, too late.
    You might as well bring up Dave while you at it.
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    Again, care to defend, "not all religions/cultures do this?"
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,367
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    so Canada doesn't cut the foreskin off baby boys? The US sure does. why isnt there the same outrage against ALL genital mutilation? hmm?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    so Canada doesn't cut the foreskin off baby boys? The US sure does. why isnt there the same outrage against ALL genital mutilation? hmm?
    Well, there are many groups and individuals that are outraged by infant male circumcision, too, though one can argue they aren't really comparable. The aim of FGM is to impede female sexual function and often causes permanent damage to other body systems like the urinary tract. Male circumcision has neither the same goals nor the same outcomes.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,367
    oftenreading said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    so Canada doesn't cut the foreskin off baby boys? The US sure does. why isnt there the same outrage against ALL genital mutilation? hmm?
    Well, there are many groups and individuals that are outraged by infant male circumcision, too, though one can argue they aren't really comparable. The aim of FGM is to impede female sexual function and often causes permanent damage to other body systems like the urinary tract. Male circumcision has neither the same goals nor the same outcomes.
    horrific as that stated goal is, mutilation is mutilation at the end of the day. Fuck all what the motive is ......
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    oftenreading said:

    mickeyrat said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    If it is a practice condoned by a culture/religion it is not a moot point. Not all religions/cultures do this.

    so Canada doesn't cut the foreskin off baby boys? The US sure does. why isnt there the same outrage against ALL genital mutilation? hmm?
    Well, there are many groups and individuals that are outraged by infant male circumcision, too, though one can argue they aren't really comparable. The aim of FGM is to impede female sexual function and often causes permanent damage to other body systems like the urinary tract. Male circumcision has neither the same goals nor the same outcomes.
    Thank you, often.

    (and, I imagine, FGM causes permanent non-physical damage as well...all connected)
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