Trump - 25th Amendment Solution

Gern Blansten
Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
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So, what’s Article 4 to the 25th Amendment? In the abstract, the amendment itself is about presidential succession, and includes language about the power of the office when a president is incapacitated. But Digby recently highlighted the specific text of growing relevance:
“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”
And what does that mean exactly?

Well, it means Congress isn’t the only institution that can remove a president from office between elections. Under the 25th Amendment, a sitting vice president and a majority of the executive branch’s cabinet could, on their own, agree to transfer power out of the hands of a sitting president. At that point, those officials would notify Congress, and the vice president would assume the office as the acting president.

And what if the challenged president wasn’t on board with the plan to remove him/her from the office? As Vox recently explained, “If the president wants to dispute this move, he can, but then it would be up to Congress to settle the matter with a vote. A two-thirds majority in both houses would be necessary to keep the vice president in charge. If that threshold isn’t reached, the president would regain his powers.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-the-25th-amendment-suddenly-getting-so-much-attention
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.
  • mickeyrat
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    for highlighting something actually IN the constitution? She isnt the first. this was floated within his first 2 weeks.
    it remains an option. no matter how unlikely to actually occur.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    There's a much better probability that Trump will be impeached.

    Follow the money and trail of dead Russians, from Putin with love, all the way to impeachment.
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  • rgambs
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    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Do you even Constitution bruh?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Maybe you should try as well.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    There's a much better probability that Trump will be impeached.

    Follow the money and trail of dead Russians, from Putin with love, all the way to impeachment.

    I wonder if Pence will ever reach the moment where he has had enough. The two men couldn't be more opposite. Trump is a rich, woman abusing, low moral compass kind of guy. Pence is a modest bible thumper.

    I could easily see Mattis and Ryan jumping on board
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • unsung
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    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Do you even Constitution bruh?
    Do you even know what odds are bruh? Nil.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,866
    So is this the new general Trump thread, now that PJFan ruined the other one? Doesn't seem to be, but I am not sure.
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  • CM189191
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    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Haven't Maddow's rating been through the roof lately?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    If the shoe fits.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Haven't Maddow's rating been through the roof lately?
    Yes....among young people especially.

    I don't care if people disagree with her or make fun of her neck (which seems to be the new right wing attack point) she is brilliant. Her background speaks for itself.

    And I don't give a shit if you don't like her because she is "too liberal" she reports the news as it is without slanting it her direction.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yeah, where would we be without her breaking those tax returns. :rofl:
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    unsung said:

    Yeah, where would we be without her breaking those tax returns. :rofl:

    Did you watch her show when she discussed those? You are just parroting a right wing talking point.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mfc2006
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    Gern Blansten said:

    unsung said:

    Yeah, where would we be without her breaking those tax returns. :rofl:

    Did you watch her show when she discussed those? You are just parroting a right wing talking point.
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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    Gern Blansten said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Haven't Maddow's rating been through the roof lately?
    Yes....among young people especially.

    I don't care if people disagree with her or make fun of her neck (which seems to be the new right wing attack point) she is brilliant. Her background speaks for itself.

    And I don't give a shit if you don't like her because she is "too liberal" she reports the news as it is without slanting it her direction.
    Im Green Party and I think she's an establishment sell out. I'll stick with Democracy Now, Lee Camp and Jimmy Dore instead.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Gern Blansten said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    It means Rachel Maddow is trying, albeit desperately, to stay relevant.

    Haven't Maddow's rating been through the roof lately?
    Yes....among young people especially.

    I don't care if people disagree with her or make fun of her neck (which seems to be the new right wing attack point) she is brilliant. Her background speaks for itself.

    And I don't give a shit if you don't like her because she is "too liberal" she reports the news as it is without slanting it her direction.

    Give me a break. Every commentator slants things for an agenda. Oh yeah, you found Miss Holy Spirit of Reporting.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,016
    Two things wrong with this scenario.
    One, my understanding is this doesn't remove the president from office. It grants the VP presidential powers, but doesn't make him president. This is designed if the president was incapacitated or unable to fulfill the duties of his office, and not that people just don't like him.
    If I am wrong above, then you still have to go through congress anyway. The article talks about this being a way to remove him from office without congress, but then goes on to say if the president doesn't agree then it requires a 2/3 congress majority. So in essence, still need a congress vote unless you expect him to resign.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,866
    Isn't the idea that Trump is indeed unable to fulfill the duties of his office due to mental illness or defect? That's my impression.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,016
    PJ_Soul said:

    Isn't the idea that Trump is indeed unable to fulfill the duties of his office due to mental illness or defect? That's my impression.

    Yes. But this wouldn't remove him from office but just give power to the VP, and unless he said "you're right, I'm unfit to lead" it would still require a 2/3 congress vote. Which my point was the article referenced this as a way to get rid of him without going through congress, and that isn't true. Unless he goes along with it, you still need 2/3 of congress.

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