What bands/artists started from 2000 on do you believe will be hugely remembered 45 years from now?

brianlux

This is related to some things we talked about in the R.E.M. thread and elsewhere. I'm sincerely curious as to what bands or artist any of you believe will be as well remembered/recognized/revered in 45 years as (for example) Elvis, The Beach Boys, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones are today?

ledvedderman

I honestly can't picture any. The closest band would maybe be Coldplay. Not because of quality of music, but based on longevity and popularity.
I think maybe a guy like Ryan Adams could be revered like possibly Neil Young in the future, I just don't know. Music is so different now compared to back then.
Thanks a lot, internet.

eeriepadave

maybe The White Stripes or Arcade Fire?

SVRDhand13

Adele

ledvedderman

Ahhh yes. The above three mentioned are very possible.

tbergs

They would have to be a genre transforming artist and I don't think we've seen that yet. There are a lot of second tier artists who will be remembered and get airplay, but nothing like those you referenced. I think the 80's and 90's have quite a few that will be remembered.

How we measure greatness has changed a lot. 20 - 30 years ago it meant you'd have massive record sales, probably end up with some big made for TV anthology of your career (Jackson's, Elvis, The Beatles, The Beach Boys) or a weekly syndicated radio show (The Beatles had several and I loved them!). Now, record sales don't mean squat, TV is almost dead and radio is mostly dedicated to mainstream or digital streaming where you can choose to listen to artist stations. It's so strange. The only constant is the live concert experience so does that become the measure? Even that is evolving with Facebook Live and Periscope able to stream anything to everyone. I think we could honestly start seeing VR live streams of concerts with tickets sold to gain access. It's crazy to think, but musicians need to find new ways to capitalize on their craft and that's one of the few options out there.

As I think about it more, probably Adele and most likely Beyonce too, but nothing in the rock genre.

Funny you started this thread because I've been really hooked on the 50's lately and forgot about all the great songs you could still commonly hear in the late 80's - early 90's before they, and even Elvis, started getting phased out of the oldies format stations. Seems like a sign, especially since Chuck Berry just died too. Rock music revolution c'mon!

EchoesOnMars

Black Keys,
Kings of Leon and
Mumford and Sons all come to mind

brianlux

eeriepadave said:

maybe The White Stripes or Arcade Fire?

White Stripes/Jack White I can see (technically started in the late 90's but close enough.) Interesting that I hadn't thought of them but, yes, very possible.

SD48277

SVRDhand13 said:

Adele

It is probably too early in her career to say, but I could see her having a legacy like Aretha.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

eeriepadave said:

maybe The White Stripes or Arcade Fire?

White Stripes/Jack White I can see (technically started in the late 90's but close enough.) Interesting that I hadn't thought of them but, yes, very possible.

I think it's inevitable.

I guess I agree Arcade Fire might also be one. If we're doing "close enough" if they started in the late 90s, I'll also go with QOTSA and Gorillaz (both 1998 I think?), as well as The National (2001), and Ryan Adams (2000).

LukinFan

My Morning Jacket's first album came out in 1999, but I think they will be remembered for a long time.

PJ_Soul

LukinFan said:

My Morning Jacket's first album came out in 1999, but I think they will be remembered for a long time.

Yes, I think they will be too.

tbergs

I'm skeptical of most these artists being hugely remembered. The examples listed in the post header are artists that I think you could ask over 80% of the adult population and they would know who they were. I don't think even right know you could say that a lot of the bands/artists being named are known by 50%. Those referenced musicians in the thread title are ingrained in the industry, much like a Prince, Madonna and Michael Jackson were during the 80's and everyone knew their name and still does.

PJ_Soul

tbergs said:

I'm skeptical of most these artists being hugely remembered. The examples listed in the post header are artists that I think you could ask over 80% of the adult population and they would know who they were. I don't think even right know you could say that a lot of the bands/artists being named are known by 50%. Those referenced musicians in the thread title are ingrained in the industry, much like a Prince, Madonna and Michael Jackson were during the 80's and everyone knew their name and still does.

Okay, then I'll say Drake, Brittany Spears, Rianna, Beyonce, JayZ, Kanye West, and Justin Beiber. Pretty much everyone under the age of 50 knows who all of them are. They are super famous and are pop culture staples who can all claim some level of longevity at this point.

(I am not really skeptical about most of the ones listed so far though. In 45 years, all the people who never heard of any of them will be long dead, and they are all still producing music right now, so it's not like they are done. The main factor here is longevity and future popularity, not current popularity).

PJ_Soul

But also, I'm thinking the comparison is technically impossible, just because of the nature of the music industry now vs back in the 80s.

eeriepadave

SVRDhand13 said:

Adele

if you're going that route, Lady Gaga i think has a better chance.

2-feign-reluctance

PJ_Soul said:

LukinFan said:

My Morning Jacket's first album came out in 1999, but I think they will be remembered for a long time.

Yes, I think they will be too.

mookieblalock

The bands/artists listed in the OP were mega famous during their time. Like some others have said, bands like Arcade Fire, My Morning Jacket, etc.. aren't known by half of the population now. There aren't many transformative artists that spill over into pop culture. Of the artists 2000 onward, Beyoncé best fits the description.

brianlux

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with this question in the first place. Any shrinks in the house?

But anyway, as I was obsessing on this subject yet again today while listening to R.E.M.'s "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" it occurred to me that the reason this band was so good was that all the elements were in place: a singer with a unique voice, great phrasing and distinctive stage presence, a guitar player who, though creating little new in his style, managedto blended influences in a fine manner and gave new life to the "Byrdsian" chiming guitar, a bass player with an usually superb melodic touch and the added bonus of beautiful harmony singing and a drummer who kept it simple, tight and well blended. Add to that the magic touch- that one indispensable ingredient needed for greatness- the chemistry that brings it all together.

So that all led me to wonder if perhaps what will make the next truly outstanding band happen and give it longevity will not necessarily be invention or development of a new style but, rather, the combination of individuals each having something that really stands out from the rest (especially voice- think Stipe, Vedder, Bowie, Jagger, for example), all pulled together by that rare magic that made the greats what the are.

This will happen again. I can't wait!

tempo_n_groove

Linkin Park. They were big. So big Jay-Z made an album with them. They are making another album and people will listen.

Brian I am a firm believer that we are on the verge of a rock revival. Every 30 years or so we had a HUGE rock upheaval where it actually changed the landscape. I do believe this is happening.

You Have Ty Seagall and Thee Oh Sees bringing some very good music out there. The Weeks are another fun band. Hell even Ed Sheeran is making some good music!

ledvedderman

I can't help but feel that Gaslight Anthem came out a solid ten years too soon. I imagine them and their sound as something that could have had a cultural impact in an alternate universe. If 59 Sound came out in the next five years as opposed to in the past- maybe it turns into the massive album it deserved to be.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

Linkin Park. They were big. So big Jay-Z made an album with them. They are making another album and people will listen.

Brian I am a firm believer that we are on the verge of a rock revival. Every 30 years or so we had a HUGE rock upheaval where it actually changed the landscape. I do believe this is happening.

You Have Ty Seagall and Thee Oh Sees bringing some very good music out there. The Weeks are another fun band. Hell even Ed Sheeran is making some good music!

Yes, Tempo, I think you're right! Not familiar with The Weeks- I'll check them out, thanks!

ledvedderman said:

I can't help but feel that Gaslight Anthem came out a solid ten years too soon. I imagine them and their sound as something that could have had a cultural impact in an alternate universe. If 59 Sound came out in the next five years as opposed to in the past- maybe it turns into the massive album it deserved to be.

Definitely some potential there to be big. What are they up to these days?

ledvedderman

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Linkin Park. They were big. So big Jay-Z made an album with them. They are making another album and people will listen.

Brian I am a firm believer that we are on the verge of a rock revival. Every 30 years or so we had a HUGE rock upheaval where it actually changed the landscape. I do believe this is happening.

You Have Ty Seagall and Thee Oh Sees bringing some very good music out there. The Weeks are another fun band. Hell even Ed Sheeran is making some good music!

Yes, Tempo, I think you're right! Not familiar with The Weeks- I'll check them out, thanks!

ledvedderman said:

I can't help but feel that Gaslight Anthem came out a solid ten years too soon. I imagine them and their sound as something that could have had a cultural impact in an alternate universe. If 59 Sound came out in the next five years as opposed to in the past- maybe it turns into the massive album it deserved to be.

Definitely some potential there to be big. What are they up to these days?

Gaslight is on a hiatus. Their lead singer is doing some solid solo material. He's left the door open recently to getting the band back together. So who knows. Bands like Gaslight Anthem, Band of Horses, My Morning Jacket seem to be right there at the tipping point of being really big and iconic, but the industry environment just wasn't right for them to go from good to iconic.

tempo_n_groove

ledvedderman said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Linkin Park. They were big. So big Jay-Z made an album with them. They are making another album and people will listen.

Brian I am a firm believer that we are on the verge of a rock revival. Every 30 years or so we had a HUGE rock upheaval where it actually changed the landscape. I do believe this is happening.

You Have Ty Seagall and Thee Oh Sees bringing some very good music out there. The Weeks are another fun band. Hell even Ed Sheeran is making some good music!

Yes, Tempo, I think you're right! Not familiar with The Weeks- I'll check them out, thanks!

ledvedderman said:

I can't help but feel that Gaslight Anthem came out a solid ten years too soon. I imagine them and their sound as something that could have had a cultural impact in an alternate universe. If 59 Sound came out in the next five years as opposed to in the past- maybe it turns into the massive album it deserved to be.

Definitely some potential there to be big. What are they up to these days?

Gaslight is on a hiatus. Their lead singer is doing some solid solo material. He's left the door open recently to getting the band back together. So who knows. Bands like Gaslight Anthem, Band of Horses, My Morning Jacket seem to be right there at the tipping point of being really big and iconic, but the industry environment just wasn't right for them to go from good to iconic.

Those bands are fun but they won't be the catalyst to get the ball moving. You need youth unfortunately...

brianlux

It's true, the brightest do seem to start young. I was listening to some early recording Mick Taylor made with John Mayall and thinking, "Man, how does a kid play like that at eighteen?"!

And good point about industry environment, ledved. And what about great managers? Are there any Danny Fields or Andrew Loog Oldhams or Brian Epsteins anymore?

Tim Simmons

Coran Capshaw

Tim Simmons

I think there will be plenty of artists, but people who post here won't like them because they aren't necessarily in the rock vein. But that's the era.

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

I think there will be plenty of artists, but people who post here won't like them because they aren't necessarily in the rock vein. But that's the era.

Exactly!

"Rock" is Ed Sheeran and 5 Seconds of summer. We need to embrace that. Like it or not it IS a form of rock music.

brianlux

Tim Simmons said:

I think there will be plenty of artists, but people who post here won't like them because they aren't necessarily in the rock vein. But that's the era.

Many at least, yes. We do love our rock and roll. I know I do! But I would also love to see a giant like Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, Larry Coryell, John Mc Laughlin, Muddy Waters, Lightnin' Hopkins, Howlin' Wolf, etc. come along too! Some people think it will be Kanye West. I doubt it but we'll see.

Tim Simmons

I think Kanye will be one of them. Definitely. There is not a more critically acclaimed artist who has emerged post 2000 than him.

Tim Simmons

This is an interesting list. lots of artists tied at 83 though. Also, I don't think they give any weight because artists with one album that happened to be acclaimed make the list while artists who made 3-5 may not because of of maybe 1-2 albums weighing them down.

http://www.albumoftheyear.org/bands/top-artists/


But it's a conversation starter.