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Did Brendan O'Brien destroy Pearl Jam's Analog Master tapes?

buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
Was reading this on another forum and would like to confirm this as accurate.


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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    edited March 2017
    lol, don't believe everything you read. (saw that too) But in any case.,lol, maybe he did. :smiley:

    I would be surprised if everything was recorded analog
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    Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045

    Was reading this on another forum and would like to confirm this as accurate.


    bUCK

    There is another forum??
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Which bring me back to wondering why people pay so much for PJ vinyl? It's silly
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,660
    Would not be shocked
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,413
    I can't believe in this day and age that they would've destroyed master tapes without making copies. I'm pretty sure the industry realized the value of keeping and storing source tape before PJ was recording.

    I also don't believe that Brendan Obrien would have the stroke to make such a decision. I know it's cool to hate on BO'b because PJ has made music that you don't care for, but it's doubtful that he's responsible for most of the decisions that are the source of the complaints.
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    surforiasurforia SoCal Posts: 347
    That forum (stevehoffman) has tons of record industry insiders - unfortunately, it seems too outlandish and random to make something like this up. Also, their comments are pretty legit regarding the sound quality of the reissues (i.e., that there is no material improvement over the CDs), which lends some additional weight to the rumor, imo.
    9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 8/18/00, 10/8/00, 10/9/00, 4/28/03, 6/22/03, 7/8/03, 7/9/03, 10/2/04, 10/5/04, 10/1/05, 10/3/05, 5/28/06, 6/20/08, 6/25/08, 10/27/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/22/16, 9/26/21, 10/1/21, 10/2/21, 5/3/22, 5/6/22
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,413
    PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.

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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,152
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,027
    We've seen pictures/video of their vault, I'd be shocked if all of that is just demos and material not recorded with BOB. The reissues not being audiophile quality tells us nothing about the fate of their masters. I think this is just lazy speculation.

    To be honest, I don't think you get an alt version of Who You Are swapped into a reissue without some bad linage written on a master reel.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951

    We've seen pictures/video of their vault, I'd be shocked if all of that is just demos and material not recorded with BOB. The reissues not being audiophile quality tells us nothing about the fate of their masters. I think this is just lazy speculation.

    To be honest, I don't think you get an alt version of Who You Are swapped into a reissue without some bad linage written on a master reel.

    Good points
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,027
    edited March 2017
    though, I guess you could get an alt version of WYA because the original tape was destroyed.

    This is all most likely a conflation of different stories. Perhaps the final master is what was destroyed and original takes before mixing still exist. Or all they were given to do reissues were digital files made in the 90s so that they don't have to bake original tapes or whatever and some took it to mean that original tapes were gone.

    At the end of the day, it's all speculation. And it's fun when you want to talk about something, but people need to try harder at not letting unsubstantiated info become facts. The Pj camp knows what the real truth is. They most likely won't ever tell us, so unless someone has concrete proof, we should doubt it.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    I always thought this video to be rather telling.....

    https://youtu.be/8DcGkU13BNc?t=2m3s
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    surforiasurforia SoCal Posts: 347

    I always thought this video to be rather telling.....

    https://youtu.be/8DcGkU13BNc?t=2m3s

    Wow- that is telling. Not holding my breath for a 5.1 mix of the classic albums anytime soon. Bummer.
    9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 8/18/00, 10/8/00, 10/9/00, 4/28/03, 6/22/03, 7/8/03, 7/9/03, 10/2/04, 10/5/04, 10/1/05, 10/3/05, 5/28/06, 6/20/08, 6/25/08, 10/27/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/22/16, 9/26/21, 10/1/21, 10/2/21, 5/3/22, 5/6/22
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,382
    DewieCox said:

    PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.

    It's still pretty typical. Most bands don't do a separate master for vinyl. The funny thing is if vinyl only sounds better because it was mastered differently (ie less compression and loudness) then it's not sounding better because it's on vinyl, it sounds different because of the mastering. IF you played two cd's, and the put the special vinyl master onto the cd, then the cd would sound better than the regular cd because of the better mastering.

    The thing about vinyl is given the exact same master, it should sound a little better. It shouldn't need it's own master.... lol.
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,304
    Zod said:

    DewieCox said:

    PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.

    It's still pretty typical. Most bands don't do a separate master for vinyl. The funny thing is if vinyl only sounds better because it was mastered differently (ie less compression and loudness) then it's not sounding better because it's on vinyl, it sounds different because of the mastering. IF you played two cd's, and the put the special vinyl master onto the cd, then the cd would sound better than the regular cd because of the better mastering.

    The thing about vinyl is given the exact same master, it should sound a little better. It shouldn't need it's own master.... lol.
    If done correctly it is not possible to put the "vinyl master" on a cd cause a cd can only hold so much data
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 88,663
    It's pretty horrifying to think Brendan O'Brien would even think about destroying Pearl Jam's master recorded tapes.

    The last few album releases have been mixed reviews on sound. Even in the digital world, Pearl Jam's No Code & Yield 24Bit 192kHz digital downloads were not that great at all. Even the Singles digital download that Sony put out (available over @ http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/120381/Various_Artists-Singles-FLAC_192kHz24bit_Download ) is bad. And now with the upcoming vinyl release .. you don't want to hear what the dude from Lakeshore Records has to say about it.



    ericcraigis Singles Soundtrack on vinyl. The sound quality is pretty mediocre. A+ for vibe though.

    I know this reissue took FOREVER to get released after many, MANY delays but WOW, get the audio quality done right!
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,027
    To be fair, Did PJ have much to do with the release. I would think it was Sony
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    demetrios said:

    It's pretty horrifying to think Brendan O'Brien would even think about destroying Pearl Jam's master recorded tapes.

    The last few album releases have been mixed reviews on sound. Even in the digital world, Pearl Jam's No Code & Yield 24Bit 192kHz digital downloads were not that great at all. Even the Singles digital download that Sony put out (available over @ http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/120381/Various_Artists-Singles-FLAC_192kHz24bit_Download ) is bad. And now with the upcoming vinyl release .. you don't want to hear what the dude from Lakeshore Records has to say about it.



    ericcraigis Singles Soundtrack on vinyl. The sound quality is pretty mediocre. A+ for vibe though.

    I know this reissue took FOREVER to get released after many, MANY delays but WOW, get the audio quality done right!
    That's too bad
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522

    I always thought this video to be rather telling.....

    https://youtu.be/8DcGkU13BNc?t=2m3s

    That is just Ed pimping his buddies product.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,631
    I am very lucky I am not picky with hearing the last 2% of the sound I am supposedly missing.
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    CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 2,941
    I honestly can't tell the difference between CD's, vinyl, mp3's, flac, wav.....ect. The only difference my ear picks up is whether or not something was soundboard recorded or audience. I don't know if I'm lucky or missing out.

    Just turn it up so I can hear it.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    I always thought this video to be rather telling.....

    https://youtu.be/8DcGkU13BNc?t=2m3s

    Which brings me back to asking why people pay so much for PJ vinyl? It's just brickwalled cd's pressed on wax. Period.

    What a shame
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Smellyman said:

    I always thought this video to be rather telling.....

    https://youtu.be/8DcGkU13BNc?t=2m3s

    That is just Ed pimping his buddies product.
    No, that's eddie telling the truth
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    my2hands said:

    Which brings me back to asking why people pay so much for PJ vinyl? It's just brickwalled cd's pressed on wax. Period.

    What a shame

    Yea, if you have a high-end rig, your not reaching for any PJ albums when showing of your system, Not even Binaural.

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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Benaroya Hall vinyl goes for $Thousands$ and it's just the cd pressed onto wax. That's it. You are literally paying $1,000 for a $9 cd.
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    MedozK said:

    my2hands said:

    Which brings me back to asking why people pay so much for PJ vinyl? It's just brickwalled cd's pressed on wax. Period.

    What a shame

    Yea, if you have a high-end rig, your not reaching for any PJ albums when showing of your system, Not even Binaural.

    I've always dais it's hard being an audiophile and a Pearl Jam Fan
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited March 2017
    MedozK said:

    my2hands said:

    Which brings me back to asking why people pay so much for PJ vinyl? It's just brickwalled cd's pressed on wax. Period.

    What a shame

    Yea, if you have a high-end rig, your not reaching for any PJ albums when showing of your system, Not even Binaural.

    I had a very low-end rig and the difference between my PJ vinyl and other vinyl (created and sourced correctly) was easily noticeable

    even shitty bootleg PJ LP's of terrible pressings like Avocado going for $hundreds, let alone the original pressings and what they sell for

    I feel bad because I feel like a lot of Pearl Jam fans are continuing to be taken advantage of in the vinyl world and are just flat out wasting money
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    buck502000buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    Binaural sound pretty damn good on my rig. Glad BoB didn't get his grubby mitts on that one ;)
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