I can't believe in this day and age that they would've destroyed master tapes without making copies. I'm pretty sure the industry realized the value of keeping and storing source tape before PJ was recording.
I also don't believe that Brendan Obrien would have the stroke to make such a decision. I know it's cool to hate on BO'b because PJ has made music that you don't care for, but it's doubtful that he's responsible for most of the decisions that are the source of the complaints.
That forum (stevehoffman) has tons of record industry insiders - unfortunately, it seems too outlandish and random to make something like this up. Also, their comments are pretty legit regarding the sound quality of the reissues (i.e., that there is no material improvement over the CDs), which lends some additional weight to the rumor, imo.
PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.
We've seen pictures/video of their vault, I'd be shocked if all of that is just demos and material not recorded with BOB. The reissues not being audiophile quality tells us nothing about the fate of their masters. I think this is just lazy speculation.
To be honest, I don't think you get an alt version of Who You Are swapped into a reissue without some bad linage written on a master reel.
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We've seen pictures/video of their vault, I'd be shocked if all of that is just demos and material not recorded with BOB. The reissues not being audiophile quality tells us nothing about the fate of their masters. I think this is just lazy speculation.
To be honest, I don't think you get an alt version of Who You Are swapped into a reissue without some bad linage written on a master reel.
though, I guess you could get an alt version of WYA because the original tape was destroyed.
This is all most likely a conflation of different stories. Perhaps the final master is what was destroyed and original takes before mixing still exist. Or all they were given to do reissues were digital files made in the 90s so that they don't have to bake original tapes or whatever and some took it to mean that original tapes were gone.
At the end of the day, it's all speculation. And it's fun when you want to talk about something, but people need to try harder at not letting unsubstantiated info become facts. The Pj camp knows what the real truth is. They most likely won't ever tell us, so unless someone has concrete proof, we should doubt it.
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I always thought this video to be rather telling.....
PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.
It's still pretty typical. Most bands don't do a separate master for vinyl. The funny thing is if vinyl only sounds better because it was mastered differently (ie less compression and loudness) then it's not sounding better because it's on vinyl, it sounds different because of the mastering. IF you played two cd's, and the put the special vinyl master onto the cd, then the cd would sound better than the regular cd because of the better mastering.
The thing about vinyl is given the exact same master, it should sound a little better. It shouldn't need it's own master.... lol.
PJ records sounding like the cd nothing to support the issue, imo. Most were made during a time when using the same mastering for cd and vinyl was typical.
It's still pretty typical. Most bands don't do a separate master for vinyl. The funny thing is if vinyl only sounds better because it was mastered differently (ie less compression and loudness) then it's not sounding better because it's on vinyl, it sounds different because of the mastering. IF you played two cd's, and the put the special vinyl master onto the cd, then the cd would sound better than the regular cd because of the better mastering.
The thing about vinyl is given the exact same master, it should sound a little better. It shouldn't need it's own master.... lol.
If done correctly it is not possible to put the "vinyl master" on a cd cause a cd can only hold so much data
It's pretty horrifying to think Brendan O'Brien would even think about destroying Pearl Jam's master recorded tapes.
The last few album releases have been mixed reviews on sound. Even in the digital world, Pearl Jam's No Code & Yield 24Bit 192kHz digital downloads were not that great at all. Even the Singles digital download that Sony put out (available over @ http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/120381/Various_Artists-Singles-FLAC_192kHz24bit_Download ) is bad. And now with the upcoming vinyl release .. you don't want to hear what the dude from Lakeshore Records has to say about it.
ericcraigis Singles Soundtrack on vinyl. The sound quality is pretty mediocre. A+ for vibe though.
I know this reissue took FOREVER to get released after many, MANY delays but WOW, get the audio quality done right!
It's pretty horrifying to think Brendan O'Brien would even think about destroying Pearl Jam's master recorded tapes.
The last few album releases have been mixed reviews on sound. Even in the digital world, Pearl Jam's No Code & Yield 24Bit 192kHz digital downloads were not that great at all. Even the Singles digital download that Sony put out (available over @ http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/120381/Various_Artists-Singles-FLAC_192kHz24bit_Download ) is bad. And now with the upcoming vinyl release .. you don't want to hear what the dude from Lakeshore Records has to say about it.
ericcraigis Singles Soundtrack on vinyl. The sound quality is pretty mediocre. A+ for vibe though.
I know this reissue took FOREVER to get released after many, MANY delays but WOW, get the audio quality done right!
I honestly can't tell the difference between CD's, vinyl, mp3's, flac, wav.....ect. The only difference my ear picks up is whether or not something was soundboard recorded or audience. I don't know if I'm lucky or missing out.
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I would be surprised if everything was recorded analog
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/pearl-jam-to-re-issue-no-code-and-yield-on-vinyl.537613/page-22#post-16035736
I also don't believe that Brendan Obrien would have the stroke to make such a decision. I know it's cool to hate on BO'b because PJ has made music that you don't care for, but it's doubtful that he's responsible for most of the decisions that are the source of the complaints.
To be honest, I don't think you get an alt version of Who You Are swapped into a reissue without some bad linage written on a master reel.
This is all most likely a conflation of different stories. Perhaps the final master is what was destroyed and original takes before mixing still exist. Or all they were given to do reissues were digital files made in the 90s so that they don't have to bake original tapes or whatever and some took it to mean that original tapes were gone.
At the end of the day, it's all speculation. And it's fun when you want to talk about something, but people need to try harder at not letting unsubstantiated info become facts. The Pj camp knows what the real truth is. They most likely won't ever tell us, so unless someone has concrete proof, we should doubt it.
The thing about vinyl is given the exact same master, it should sound a little better. It shouldn't need it's own master.... lol.
The last few album releases have been mixed reviews on sound. Even in the digital world, Pearl Jam's No Code & Yield 24Bit 192kHz digital downloads were not that great at all. Even the Singles digital download that Sony put out (available over @ http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/120381/Various_Artists-Singles-FLAC_192kHz24bit_Download ) is bad. And now with the upcoming vinyl release .. you don't want to hear what the dude from Lakeshore Records has to say about it.
ericcraigis Singles Soundtrack on vinyl. The sound quality is pretty mediocre. A+ for vibe though.
I know this reissue took FOREVER to get released after many, MANY delays but WOW, get the audio quality done right!
Just turn it up so I can hear it.
What a shame
even shitty bootleg PJ LP's of terrible pressings like Avocado going for $hundreds, let alone the original pressings and what they sell for
I feel bad because I feel like a lot of Pearl Jam fans are continuing to be taken advantage of in the vinyl world and are just flat out wasting money