"Day Without A Woman" - General Strike - March 8, 2017

mace1229

One, that can be done without shaming anyone.
And Two, I would disagree about the equality in the workface statement being the goal. The organizers did advertise they want to show the importance of women in the workforce as part of the goal, but most who participated were vocal about it being just about woman rights in general, especially since it was on women's day. Reading the organizer's site it wasn't clear it was about women in the workforce, in fact it is pretty clear it is meant for unity of all women, not just those in the workforce. It was to demonstrate the impact women have in the social-economic system which would include consumers as well as workers. Equal rights would include, but not limited to, equal rights in the work force. But it seems the intention was not to emphasize only working women.

KC138045

mace1229 said:

None of you know any women who have chosen to put their career on hold to raise their children? That is hard to believe because there are a lot out there. And I don't see how there is anything sexist about bringing it up.
I never said women cant handle long hours or your bodies shut down after 40 hours. Please don't put demeaning words in my mouth.
But the fact is when faced with the decision to go back to work full time and pay for child care (which means seeing your children for about 2 hours in the evening before putting them to bed), far more women than men make the decision to put their career on hold so they can continue to raise their children themselves at home. That's not my opinion, that is a fact. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision, and therefore how is it disrespectful or sexist? Stay at home moms probably work harder than most who have time to post on here.
And my point was, with any amount of women choosing to stay home it would mean than equal representation is not 50%.

And my question was never answered. How is voting for someone because they are a man not sexist? Would it not be racist if I said I didn't vote for Obama because he is black and I don't want a black man leading our country? How is what you said any less sexist than that? Vote for whoever is the best candidate, regardless of sex or race. But somehow you don't approve of that?

I wanted my wife to return to work after our first, but she insisted on staying home. I wouldn't trade jobs with her, and I think my job is already pretty tough to begin with. She works hard every day. And those commercials about moms not getting a sick day don't even know how true they are. And it took a lot of sacrifices to make that happen, date night is now strapping our kids into the shopping cart at Costco while we eat a pizza. How can anyone be offended by someone making that decision and sacrifice?

100% agree

unsung

ICYMI

unsung

Somehow I suspect some here might not be able to take a joke, so just take a joke. It isn't a personal attack.

dignin

unsung said:

Somehow I suspect some here might not be able to take a joke, so just take a joke. It isn't a personal attack.

Haha it's funny because women take so long to get ready!!!!!!

I've never heard that joke before, really original. Made me laugh out loud.




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HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

One, that can be done without shaming anyone.
And Two, I would disagree about the equality in the workface statement being the goal. The organizers did advertise they want to show the importance of women in the workforce as part of the goal, but most who participated were vocal about it being just about woman rights in general, especially since it was on women's day. Reading the organizer's site it wasn't clear it was about women in the workforce, in fact it is pretty clear it is meant for unity of all women, not just those in the workforce. It was to demonstrate the impact women have in the social-economic system which would include consumers as well as workers. Equal rights would include, but not limited to, equal rights in the work force. But it seems the intention was not to emphasize only working women.

I agreed with you on "one" already.

for two, I thought this march, and again as you have pointed out I could be wrong, that the intention was the same as the "day without an immigrant" which was to illustrate what would happen if immigrant workers (not just people) were no longer around. I thought that was the whole point, but again, I could be wrong.

and I'll say again, no one should be shamed for their life choices, whether it be career over family, the reverse, or not having babies at all. it's all personal choice and it's all about what's right for the individual/group.

mace1229

It was confusing to me because "a day without..." marches usually are to show the impact in the economy and workforce. When asked for clarification on this thread the only responses I got were about women's rights in general, mostly abortion actually.
When reading more from the organization it still wasn't completely clear, but seems like they are trying to say the impact women have in general, not just in the work force. Like if they all united against a common front they could destroy the economy if women's rights are not addressed. That was my impression anyway.

Ms. Haiku

Part of this thread hints at what could happen to help stay-at-home-parents transition back to the workforce. Could a discussion of free quality child care be the next discussion? Should there be more discussion about teleworking or flexible hours?

mace1229

No doubt I am in the stage where I would benefit the most from free childcare, I just don't see how that is the government's responsibility. I think better working hours is a better solution, and when I mentioned that yesterday I think it got interpreted differently or as a negative. Americans work longer days with fewer vacation days than most developed countries. I cant help but see the connection with that and the number of women choosing to stay home and raise kids. Resulting in an unequal representation of females in the workplace, and when they return they have fallen behind several years in their career. For some the choice becomes sacrifice their career for their kids, or sacrifice their kids for their career. It is difficult to be successful and still have quality time with family at the end of 9-10 hour work day.

PJPOWER

Ms. Haiku said:

Part of this thread hints at what could happen to help stay-at-home-parents transition back to the workforce. Could a discussion of free quality child care be the next discussion? Should there be more discussion about teleworking or flexible hours?

If you are talking about a mandate, some business simply cannot afford to provide free childcare. Some can and do, but I would not support a law requiring it. I guess public school could be considered a type of free childcare...so maybe we could extend public schooling down to birth? Of course there would be a ton of blowback with that and teachers are already complaining about not getting paid enough.
Some businesses do give their female employees with children flexible hours and let them work from home...it all depends the type of job. There are programs like WIC and such to assist those that are having trouble paying bills and such.

Ms. Haiku

mace1229 said:

No doubt I am in the stage where I would benefit the most from free childcare, I just don't see how that is the government's responsibility. I think better working hours is a better solution, and when I mentioned that yesterday I think it got interpreted differently or as a negative. Americans work longer days with fewer vacation days than most developed countries. I cant help but see the connection with that and the number of women choosing to stay home and raise kids. Resulting in an unequal representation of females in the workplace, and when they return they have fallen behind several years in their career. For some the choice becomes sacrifice their career for their kids, or sacrifice their kids for their career. It is difficult to be successful and still have quality time with family at the end of 9-10 hour work day.

But, back to an earlier question, why are there so few women legislators? If current legislators work 60+ hours a week then the expectation is that all future legislators would work that. For parents who want to run for government, and they are the primary care givers, what has to happen?

1. On site childcare at government buildings may be one start. In that case the parent could see her/his child during non-work lunches.
2. Emily's List is training women to run, and training is a good idea.
3. Peer groups in government are probably very helpful.

Any woman on the board run for an office? What else is necessary?

I don't think not running because a person is the primary care giver is a bigger question than choosing to run at all. No matter what it is a long-term commitment. If a primary care giver wants to run she/he may have to start with grassroots organizing and work her/his way up.

It would be good to know how often legislators talk with their kids.

my2hands

I noticed you guys conveniently leave out the millions of women who get stuck raising children because MEN don't hold up their obligations... like my father didnt...

How many single mothers are out there busting their ass raising children, running a household, and working with little/no help from deadbeat men? How many kids only see their fathers every other weekend like I did? How many kids had father's not help financially at all like mine didn't?

How many millions of women have sacrificed everything, from their personal lives to their professional lives and everything between, struggling day to day because cowardice and irresponsible men left them holding the bag?

And you dare question why women want their concerns to be heard??? Wake up and smell the fucking coffee

As far as the claim of a small talent pool to fill political offices... that's bullshit and you know it... I'm a man and I heard what some men were saying in private about Hillary... the names she was called... the way she was demeaned... because she was a strong intelligent woman they were probably intimidated... a lot if men, and even some women, have a bias that they believe women shouldn't be in politics or positions if power... I heard a friend of mine wife say this on several separate occasions... she said "I don't think a woman should be president"... AND SHE HAS 3 DAUGHTERS????

there are only 100 senators, 400+ represantives, and 50 governors in a country of 350,000,000 people, something tells me there are plenty of women available to fill the gap pretty quickly... and that's why im not voting for a male until there is relative equal representation... regardless of party or position, straight ticket female vote or me

Men are a fucking mess in general... we desperately need more women in power to balance this out. And quickly.

mace1229

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

I noticed you guys conveniently leave out the millions of women who get stuck raising children because MEN don't hold up their obligations... like my father didnt...

How many single mothers are out there busting their ass raising children, running a household, and working with little/no help from deadbeat men? How many kids only see their fathers every other weekend like I did? How many kids had father's not help financially at all like mine didn't?

How many millions of women have sacrificed everything, from their personal lives to their professional lives and everything between, struggling day to day because cowardice and irresponsible men left them holding the bag?

And you dare question why women want their concerns to be heard??? Wake up and smell the fucking coffee

As far as the claim of a small talent pool to fill political offices... that's bullshit and you know it... I'm a man and I heard what some men were saying in private about Hillary... the names she was called... the way she was demeaned... because she was a strong intelligent woman they were probably intimidated... a lot if men, and even some women, have a bias that they believe women shouldn't be in politics or positions if power... I heard a friend of mine wife say this on several separate occasions... she said "I don't think a woman should be president"... AND SHE HAS 3 DAUGHTERS????

there are only 100 senators, 400+ represantives, and 50 governors in a country of 350,000,000 people, something tells me there are plenty of women available to fill the gap pretty quickly... and that's why im not voting for a male until there is relative equal representation... regardless of party or position, straight ticket female vote or me

Men are a fucking mess in general... we desperately need more women in power to balance this out. And quickly.

And they say reverse sexism doesn't exist, lol!

unsung

mace1229 said:

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

Or a skin color.

my2hands

mace1229 said:

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

I'm just trying to help balance out the last couple hundred years

I love that 3 of the right wing conservative males from here are butt hurt by my plan... tells me it's already working LOL

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

I'm just trying to help balance out the last couple hundred years

I love that 3 of the right wing conservative males from here are butt hurt by my plan... tells me it's already working LOL

I don't know what "it" is, but keep telling yourself whatever you've got to tell yourself for a bit of self-validation. Sarah Palin would be proud, lol

my2hands

I might draw the line at Sarah Palin lol

mace1229

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

I'm just trying to help balance out the last couple hundred years

I love that 3 of the right wing conservative males from here are butt hurt by my plan... tells me it's already working LOL

You did raise a good point about single mothers earlier. It wasn't brought up because single moms and stay at home moms aren't the same. I think it should be easier to get the money from deadbeats, or harsher consequences for missed payments. I've never been directly involved in those situations so im not exactly sure how it works, but I know a few who are and it sucks. It must be easy to get away with not paying or it wouldn't happen as often.
But then that good point is quickly forgotten when you follow it with a blanket statement about all men. I'm sorry for whatever you experienced that makes you thinking a sexist vote is the answer. But if you think upsetting men proves that you were right, I didn't see a single person defending your strategy.

my2hands

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

That is unfortunate that you would look only at gender when casting a vote.

I'm just trying to help balance out the last couple hundred years

I love that 3 of the right wing conservative males from here are butt hurt by my plan... tells me it's already working LOL

You did raise a good point about single mothers earlier. It wasn't brought up because single moms and stay at home moms aren't the same. I think it should be easier to get the money from deadbeats, or harsher consequences for missed payments. I've never been directly involved in those situations so im not exactly sure how it works, but I know a few who are and it sucks. It must be easy to get away with not paying or it wouldn't happen as often.
But then that good point is quickly forgotten when you follow it with a blanket statement about all men. I'm sorry for whatever you experienced that makes you thinking a sexist vote is the answer. But if you think upsetting men proves that you were right, I didn't see a single person defending your strategy.

Just calling it how I see it... not ALL men obviously... but I stand by my comment that men in general are a damn mess... and we need women to balance us out and help solve these issues... open your eyes brother

I don't need my strategy defended... dont give a hoot what anybody thinks... even my girlfriend says i should vote for the best candidate... nobody needed to defend men over the last 200+ years whIle they only voted for men on men only/majority ballots

As far as collecting $ from deadbeats... that doesn't account for the time and effort and sacrifice that is made by mothers in these situations... it's easy to just cut a check, that's just the tip of the iceberg... like millions of others I would go see my father every other weekend... that's 4 days a month... guess who was responsible for me the other 26 days? Guess whose entire existence was dominated by child raising responsibilities, except for 2 weekends per month? My single mother.

Men need to start taking ownership of ourselves and our bullshit