***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • CM189191
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    Lev Parnas came off much better than I ever imagined. Obviously he is under indictment but I mean he confirmed everything that the democrats argued in the house and offered up new info to make even more sense of other things that were argued. 

    Imagine if Pelosi handed off the articles a month ago so McConnell would've had an easier way of pushing this through without witnesses? Now he's under even more pressure to have them.
    Imagine if Nancy had held off another week and had Parnas and the documents before both house committees? But, we’ll take what we can get. Ball is in your court, Moscow Mitchy Babe.
    Yeah that is my only beef. Couldn't they have called him during the house hearings too? Either way, I think this delay has helped.

    Actually my other beef is not naming Amash a manager. 



  • mrussel1
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    Lev Parnas came off much better than I ever imagined. Obviously he is under indictment but I mean he confirmed everything that the democrats argued in the house and offered up new info to make even more sense of other things that were argued. 

    Imagine if Pelosi handed off the articles a month ago so McConnell would've had an easier way of pushing this through without witnesses? Now he's under even more pressure to have them.
    Imagine if Nancy had held off another week and had Parnas and the documents before both house committees? But, we’ll take what we can get. Ball is in your court, Moscow Mitchy Babe.
    Yeah that is my only beef. Couldn't they have called him during the house hearings too? Either way, I think this delay has helped.

    Actually my other beef is not naming Amash a manager. 
    Agree but disagree on Amash. He would have been more effective if he stayed in the party and continued to take to the floor and harangue his repub colleagues. Now he's dismissable as a sour graper and can't be trusted by dems. When has an "indie" been truly effective in a two party system? I'm thinking Bernie, Nader, there have been others, I'm sure, etc. The parties make you ineffective. Better to rebel from within (See Acosio-Cortez, Alexandrea).
    I'm confused.  You said parties make you ineffective, and then say it's better to be in the party and rebel from within.  Confused.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited January 2020
    A Senate trial of 3-5 weeks is very bad for Warren and Sanders.  If I were cynical, one might say that Pelosi saw them being off the trail as yet another benefit of holding the articles. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    Lev Parnas came off much better than I ever imagined. Obviously he is under indictment but I mean he confirmed everything that the democrats argued in the house and offered up new info to make even more sense of other things that were argued. 

    Imagine if Pelosi handed off the articles a month ago so McConnell would've had an easier way of pushing this through without witnesses? Now he's under even more pressure to have them.
    Imagine if Nancy had held off another week and had Parnas and the documents before both house committees? But, we’ll take what we can get. Ball is in your court, Moscow Mitchy Babe.
    Yeah that is my only beef. Couldn't they have called him during the house hearings too? Either way, I think this delay has helped.

    Actually my other beef is not naming Amash a manager. 
    Agree but disagree on Amash. He would have been more effective if he stayed in the party and continued to take to the floor and harangue his repub colleagues. Now he's dismissable as a sour graper and can't be trusted by dems. When has an "indie" been truly effective in a two party system? I'm thinking Bernie, Nader, there have been others, I'm sure, etc. The parties make you ineffective. Better to rebel from within (See Acosio-Cortez, Alexandrea).
    I'm confused.  You said parties make you ineffective, and then say it's better to be in the party and rebel from within.  Confused.  
    Parties make "indies" ineffective. Do you think AOC would have the same amount of influence or platform if she were an "indie?"
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  • Desparado, you've got the weight on your shoulders..............

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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    Lev Parnas came off much better than I ever imagined. Obviously he is under indictment but I mean he confirmed everything that the democrats argued in the house and offered up new info to make even more sense of other things that were argued. 

    Imagine if Pelosi handed off the articles a month ago so McConnell would've had an easier way of pushing this through without witnesses? Now he's under even more pressure to have them.
    Imagine if Nancy had held off another week and had Parnas and the documents before both house committees? But, we’ll take what we can get. Ball is in your court, Moscow Mitchy Babe.
    Yeah that is my only beef. Couldn't they have called him during the house hearings too? Either way, I think this delay has helped.

    Actually my other beef is not naming Amash a manager. 
    Agree but disagree on Amash. He would have been more effective if he stayed in the party and continued to take to the floor and harangue his repub colleagues. Now he's dismissable as a sour graper and can't be trusted by dems. When has an "indie" been truly effective in a two party system? I'm thinking Bernie, Nader, there have been others, I'm sure, etc. The parties make you ineffective. Better to rebel from within (See Acosio-Cortez, Alexandrea).
    I'm confused.  You said parties make you ineffective, and then say it's better to be in the party and rebel from within.  Confused.  
    Parties make "indies" ineffective. Do you think AOC would have the same amount of influence or platform if she were an "indie?"
    Yeah, I don't like AOC for lots of reasons and dont' think she's particularly effective.. but let's leave that aside.  So I understand your point and agree that Amash would be more effective as a Republican today.  
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    2017
    mrussel1 said:
    A Senate trial of 3-5 weeks is very bad for Warren and Sanders.  If I were cynical, one might say that Pelosi saw them being off the trail as yet another benefit of holding the articles. 
    I wondered, too. Since I like Joe and Pete, I don't mind them getting a little breathing room. The billionaires are also still free to do whatever they're doing in the campaign running anti-Trump ads that I enjoy watching (and who knows, maybe Mayor Mike's Superbowl ad will be the turning point in his campaign, lol). Anyway, I'm cool with Bernie and Liz duking it out currently, and then sequestered in DC for a while for the hearings. The in-fighting in the party isn't helpful right now.
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  • Dimitri Firtash keeps popping up or dropping down like fruit from the poisonous tree. You have to ask yourself why he's fighting extradition from Austria to Chicago to face corruption charges by the DOJ. Particularly if the phone call was "perfect" and there was no "quid pro quo." Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no obstruction.”

    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

    “No quid pro quo.”

    Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


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  • Ruddy Ghouliani calling Les Parnas a "sad situation" is an insult to The Situation.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Dimitri Firtash keeps popping up or dropping down like fruit from the poisonous tree. You have to ask yourself why he's fighting extradition from Austria to Chicago to face corruption charges by the DOJ. Particularly if the phone call was "perfect" and there was no "quid pro quo." Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no obstruction.”

    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

    “No quid pro quo.”

    Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.




    Chicago?  

    Federal agents mysteriously raided a former Trump attorney’s office: 
    Ed Burke represented Trump on property tax issues between 2006 and 2018.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/11/29/18118393/ed-burke-fbi-raid-trump-lawyer

    Can anyone tell me what happened to Mr. Burke?

    Is it one of the many many 'on-going investigations' spun off from Mueller?
  • CM189191 said:
    Dimitri Firtash keeps popping up or dropping down like fruit from the poisonous tree. You have to ask yourself why he's fighting extradition from Austria to Chicago to face corruption charges by the DOJ. Particularly if the phone call was "perfect" and there was no "quid pro quo." Because we all know:

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no obstruction.”

    “Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

    “No quid pro quo.”

    Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.




    Chicago?  

    Federal agents mysteriously raided a former Trump attorney’s office: 
    Ed Burke represented Trump on property tax issues between 2006 and 2018.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/11/29/18118393/ed-burke-fbi-raid-trump-lawyer

    Can anyone tell me what happened to Mr. Burke?

    Is it one of the many many 'on-going investigations' spun off from Mueller?
    Seems to be of the Blogonavitch mode rather than Team Trump Treason mode.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/ed-burke-raid-anniversary-investigation/2185074/
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    i think old lev was particularly damning last night. he came off as credible and threw everyone under the bus by confirming everything we suspected from the released messages, etc. 

    i can't believe his attorney just let him talk and talk and talk. 

    all i know is they better protect him. i have a feeling the russian mob may go after him now.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    2017
    i think old lev was particularly damning last night. he came off as credible and threw everyone under the bus by confirming everything we suspected from the released messages, etc. 

    i can't believe his attorney just let him talk and talk and talk. 

    all i know is they better protect him. i have a feeling the russian mob may go after him now.
    Yes. I think yesterday Lev killed himself next week.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2018
    I dare you to watch this.  30 minutes of bullshit.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?468229-1/moments-ago-president-trump-lev-parnas
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2018
    If you dont have time...this one's shorter and gets to the point.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4846743/user-clip-2020
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    ikiT said:
    If you dont have time...this one's shorter and gets to the point.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4846743/user-clip-2020

    What was once "billions and billions" had become "thousands and thousands".  Typical Trump limited repartee.
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  • ikiT said:
    Keeps dropping those dictator hints with regards to extending his potential term past 2024. Guess who else just the other day did the same? Putin on the ritz, that's who!
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  • ikiT said:
    QUIET! Everything was perfect, the perfect call. Chi-naaaaaah. Everything was so terrible, country was going to HELL before Team Trump Treason descended from Heaven on an escalator. "Don't call me, I'll call you," is a mob statement? Who knew but more importantly, how does Team Trump Treason know this? Kicking the press out at the end, jeebus, Mind Your Manners.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    ikiT said:
    QUIET! Everything was perfect, the perfect call. Chi-naaaaaah. Everything was so terrible, country was going to HELL before Team Trump Treason descended from Heaven on an escalator. "Don't call me, I'll call you," is a mob statement? Who knew but more importantly, how does Team Trump Treason know this? Kicking the press out at the end, jeebus, Mind Your Manners.
    he's such a fucking asshole when he shouts "quiet!" at a reporter when they are trying to ask a question. go fuck yourself, donnie. 
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