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SCOTUS Justice Neil Gorsuch - Destruction of Unions

tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
edited September 2017 in A Moving Train
Looks like we have a winner! Time to discuss.
It's a hopeless situation...
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    He's no Judge Reinhold

    https://youtu.be/CaK_FgrIlYY
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I preferred Napolitano.
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    Great another asshole who doesn't believe in separation of church and state. Fuck him.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/01/potential-nominee-profile-neil-gorsuch/
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    "American liberals have become addicted to the courtroom, relying on judges and lawyers rather than elected leaders and the ballot box, as the primary means of effecting their social agenda" -Gorsuch
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Can force them to get 60 votes right?
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    JC29856 said:

    "American liberals have become addicted to the courtroom, relying on judges and lawyers rather than elected leaders and the ballot box, as the primary means of effecting their social agenda" -Gorsuch

    Although I'm a solid blue progressive, there is a lot of truth in this statement.

    With that said, far right conservatives have been salivating to have a chance to legislate their own agenda through the high court. It goes both ways.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    I think you're very correct there, my friend. I'm not too concerned with this pick. If Trump gets another, that's where he could do some harm for generations.
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  • Wma31394Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    Any dirt on this guy?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Wma31394 said:

    Any dirt on this guy?

    Like having a Comet Pizza menu or frequent buyer card?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Without knowing dick shit about the scotus nominees positions I'm fairly certain any and all trumps picks will be disastrous. That and trumps affection for Israel were my only real concerns with him being president.
    Reading that gorsuch is Scalia 2.0 is all I need to know.
    I'm not sure how Senate democrats can leverage their vote when they confirmed him in 2006 for the circuit.

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    JC29856 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Cliffy6745 said:

    JC29856 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited February 2017
    things getting personal in relation to the thread is understandable...following someone around constantly harassing them about unrelated topics is annoying af. Drop it already halifax...and all the other JC haters.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    JC29856 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    JC29856 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
    Might be hard to convince any Dem to cross the line given what happened with Obama's nominee. It's just political bullshit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    There's really no easy way to describe the nuclear option. The belief is amongst most senators that senate rules (being the upper chamber) are sacred and old school guys like McConnell swear to abide by the written rules of procedure...like 60 votes needed for Supreme Court justice. So the idea of tarnishing parliamentary procedure and requiring a simple majority on this is their equivalent of using nuclear weapons.
    It's all pompous bullshit though. Mitch likes to pretend to be a traditional member of the legislative body, yet he denied President Obama his pick.

    So, yeah. Makes no sense to me either.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    tbergs said:

    JC29856 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    JC29856 said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Can force them to get 60 votes right?

    Correct. There are procedures McConnell can do to get it to a simple majority, but I don't see that happening. I think they can easily get 8 Dems to cross over. He's a conservative pick, but he's not the worst out there. Lot of Dems up in two years (McCaskill in MO comes to mind) live in flippable states that Trump carried easily. They're the likely ones to flip.
    Republicans will save the nuclear option for the next Scotus nominee or at least threaten to. The "unanimous vote" part is very important.
    So if he is confirmed and Kennedy retires they can save the nuclear option and get this and the next more radical pick confirmed?

    I don't exactly follow what the nuclear option is, though I keep hearing about it. Why couldn't they potentially use it on both?
    Nuclear option is a form of cheating by changing the rules of the game, from super majority 60 votes to simple majority 51 votes.
    The republicans could use it for both but that means this nomination process gets ugly, the other point of not going nuclear is if you don't have to, then don't, save your trump card for the real cooky nominee.
    Might be hard to convince any Dem to cross the line given what happened with Obama's nominee. It's just political bullshit.
    Be pretty tough for Schumer to oppose now for Scotus when he nominated 10 years ago for circuit. That's a very very tough sell as Dem leader, other dems would have to take up the cause.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    Drowned Out said:

    things getting personal in relation to the thread is understandable...following someone around constantly harassing them about unrelated topics is annoying af. Drop it already halifax...and all the other JC haters.

    Come again? A tie to Comet Pizza isn't dirt? I would hope our SCOTUS nominees are vetted as thoroughly as our potential immigrants?

    Hate is a strong word. I reserve it for Patriots haters.
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    JC29856 said:

    It should also be noted that confirming circuit and district judges on "up or down" votes was a fairly simple process. For some reason that changed after 2009.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    jerparker20 said:

    JC29856 said:

    It should also be noted that confirming circuit and district judges on "up or down" votes was a fairly simple process. For some reason that changed after 2009.
    Lol... For some reason!
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    edited February 2017
    You know that if the Dems would have had the majority they would have used the nuclear option so there's no reason the repubs will wait this out and risk losing their shot. The dems are the ones who set the stage for this to happen. It's just ironic now that the situation is flipped how repubs will whine about dems holding up the process.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    tbergs said:

    You know that if the Dems would have had the majority they would have used the nuclear option so there's no reason the repubs will wait this out and risk losing their shot. The dems are the ones who set the stage for this to happen. It's just ironic now that the situation is flipped how repubs will whine about dems holding up the process.

    I'm not so sure, what are politicians only interested in? RE-ELECTION
    Red state Dem senators are walking a tight rope with 2018 right around the corner. If they think for a second that stalling or down voting could hurt their re-election bid, they will pledge their support 2 hours ago. Reports are some Dems already have.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,085
    This is what your fundamentalist Christian friends who voted for trump have been waiting for. They made a great moral compromise to cast a vote for trump, and now he's fulfilled their prayers. It's about abortion for them, or so they say. I'm sure trump had his more subtle appeal to them, but now they can go to church Sunday and feel at peace about electing a sex offender for a president.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Go Beavers said:

    This is what your fundamentalist Christian friends who voted for trump have been waiting for. They made a great moral compromise to cast a vote for trump, and now he's fulfilled their prayers. It's about abortion for them, or so they say. I'm sure trump had his more subtle appeal to them, but now they can go to church Sunday and feel at peace about electing a sex offender for a president.

    And he has known it all along.

    "You'll vote for me because you want the judges" or so something along those lines
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    JC29856 said:

    Without knowing dick shit about the scotus nominees positions I'm fairly certain any and all trumps picks will be disastrous. That and trumps affection for Israel were my only real concerns with him being president.
    Reading that gorsuch is Scalia 2.0 is all I need to know.
    I'm not sure how Senate democrats can leverage their vote when they confirmed him in 2006 for the circuit.

    https://youtu.be/ipN98p7nswM

    Those were you're only concerns? I'll give you credit, at least you had some concerns
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