Election night 2016

JimmyV

I'm stunned right now. We'll see where this goes but one thing is for sure. I was absolutely wrong about how well she would do and how poorly he would do. Without doubt. I was wrong. She might still win, but...wow.

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mcgruff10 said:

Not looking good for Hillary

I think it's still too early. (as far as looking good or bad for one or the other)

mcgruff10

cutz said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not looking good for Hillary

I think it's still too early. (as far as looking good or bad for one or the other)

You are definitely right but I can sense some stress on CNN

BS44325

Since 1980 the funniest candidate has always won. Comedy always wins.

EdsonNascimento

House staying republican. 1 down.

JC29856

If trump wins tonight I'll bet some electoral college will flip to Hilliary.

JC29856

Dow futures down 400!

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mcgruff10 said:

cutz said:

mcgruff10 said:

Not looking good for Hillary

I think it's still too early. (as far as looking good or bad for one or the other)

You are definitely right but I can sense some stress on CNN

I'm watching CNN too, and i'm with you about sensing the stress there. If both of us see that, that's a good thing because that means i'm not the only one with the same sense.

rgambs

JC29856 said:

If trump wins tonight I'll bet some electoral college will flip to Hilliary.

What are you drinking tonight?

PJfanwillneverleave1

Wolf is flabbergasted.

josevolution

Yep it looks like he's headed to the White House ..

OnWis97

Wow...he's putting it away more quickly than I thought he would

HughFreakingDillon

This is not looking good.

#morewhiskey

HughFreakingDillon

I am Canadian. But I am legitimately embarassed that, as a gag, The Simpsons predicted Trump as president, AND THEY MAY HAVE BEEN RIGHT.

g under p

This sort of reminds me of the tease before the actuality of Clinton winning this election. Just another way to keep us tuned in right to the very end. I'm glad I got my shopping in for some new cycling gear. I'll have another white rum and Italian ice later. Lol

Peace

JC29856

Cliffy6745 said:

Do we need another thread? Why the fuck not?

I didn't know where to put this but the nytimes live forecast is amazing

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

Nyt has trump with 53% to win....holy sheet

PJfanwillneverleave1

g under p said:

This sort of reminds me of the tease before the actuality of Clinton winning this election. Just another way to keep us tuned in right to the very end. I'm glad I got my shopping in for some new cycling gear. I'll have another white rum and Italian ice later. Lol

Peace

hedonist

Should've invested in Jim Beam or other alcoholic goodies yesterday.

EdsonNascimento

This is a made for tv mini series finale. Clinton is winning. Senate and house are staying red. We all wake up and nothing has changed and all we did was make a shit load of money for the news networks believing their early story line.

If they'd just add Cali to the Clinton side on popular and electoral, this whole discussion would seem silly. I know they can't bc polls aren't closed, but they should just say if per se Cali is what cali is, here are the numbers.

Free

17 Reasons Why Your Vote Not Only Doesn’t Count, But is Part of the Problem
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/reasons-vote-count-problem/#1Pqq8AK5P1Zetvsr.99

1. Voting only validates the failing system. By casting a vote, you’re telling politicians you accept things the way they are — one of the worst educational programs in the Western world, a healthcare system mashup benefiting overgrown pharmaceutical and insurance companies, militarized police, and so on.
2. Voting for a lesser of two evils — which the largest swath of the voting public will do today — equates an acceptance of evil. Just because one candidate seems on the surface to be less horrendous than the other, doesn’t mean the other isn’t also horrendous in their own right. When you continue, election after election, to vote for the lesser evil, evil always wins.
3. Are you pro-war? Do you want young Americans to travel abroad to kill other nations’ civilians, and be killed themselves, for hegemonic usurpation of natural resources for the profit of government welfare-backed corporations, Big Banks, and industries? This is not defense of the country. This is not fighting for freedom. This is hubristic imperialism enforced by unadulterated violence. When you vote, you support needless war and death.
4. Voting is state-sponsored force. In every nation, and particularly the U.S., people have stark differences in values, religion, beliefs, ideology, culture — the list is endless. By casting a ballot, you’re forcing your specific set of beliefs onto everyone — whether or not they agree. If your chosen lesser evil wins, the opposite is true — that is, even if that candidate follows through on their campaign vows … which brings us to …
5. Presidential candidates are advertisers — they excel at propagandizing themselves as a tidy package of promises — but they rarely, if ever, follow through. President Obama originally ran on a platform of stark opposition to the Iraq War, and even somehow won the Nobel Peace Prize — but the U.S. military never left Iraq — and his administration just sent hundreds more troops there to fight. Campaign promises, by design, deceive voters into thinking things will be different ‘this time’ — voting is a display of gullibility.
6. When you vote, the establishment wins. Always. In fact, the establishment’s only interest is self-preservation. This time around, Hillary Clinton obviously embodies establishment principles — but if you bought Donald Trump’s anti-establishment rhetoric (see number 5), you’ve been duped already. Not only does he have a longstanding relationship with the Clintons — which should’ve tipped off the attentive among us — in just one example, Trump plans to appoint a Goldman Sachs-George Soros insider who has donated large sums to Clinton’s campaign as Treasury Secretary. Soros, as you might be aware, is a billionaire globalist and extreme left-leaning influencer of foreign policy — which brings us to …
7. Voters are presented with two choices, blue or red — but they’ll get purple either way. American politics are a duopoly, and though slight differences on social issues indeed exist, larger institutional matters — militarized police, education, the military-industrial machine, private prisons, etc. — are a general constant driving the rest. Thanks to the bottomless pockets of lobbyists, nothing substantial ever changes.
8. Voting tells the international community Americans recognize the legitimacy of the system — with all its flaws, fraud, corruption, and collusion included. If the masses refused to vote, other nations would be alerted something has gone awry in the U.S. — and would not consider the election legitimate. Whatever candidate then attempted to take office would be considered a dictator, and if no one did, the failed system would be dismantled — providing a clean slate for something entirely new.
9. Voting constitutes the tacit acknowledgement mob rule is a fabulous concept. When the majority elects a candidate, the minority loses. Voting tells the world you’re just peachy forcing your views on others — by force. Who needs rogue mobs of violent extortionists roaming the streets to impose the will of a few on the many, when you have— oh. Wait. That’s the police.
10. Voting substantiates corporate influence over the legislative system. Not only were corporations granted personhood through the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United to allow unfettered campaign donations through corrupt Super PACs, but their uber-wealthy executives can do the same. Your vote doesn’t have any meaning if you can’t back a candidate by propping up their campaign with oodles of cash. Period.
11. Your vote for a candidate whose platform (see number 5) you aren’t in complete agreement with validates bad policy. Saying, ‘I like Candidate X, except for their stance on social policy A — but Candidate Y is really terrible’ does not a viable argument make. Especially considering …
12. No one really knows the candidates’ platforms anyway. Relying on the propaganda and rhetoric each spews during debates, rallies, interviews, and ads to understand what each will do once in the White House (see number 6) is akin to learning brain surgery from YouTube — you might think you know, but in practice, things could go very wrong. Most voters don’t even bother visiting the candidates’ websites to dig deeper — and might be quite unpleasantly surprised if they did. Not that informing yourself about what a candidate won’t do anyway actually matters.
13. Voting is a sham. Though today is officially Election Day, early voters have already reported electronic voting machines magically switching votes — or flat out preventing people from choosing the politicians they want. Confusing ballot setups further mystify voters, as well. Not that paper ballots fared any better — those old enough will immediately, but not fondly, recall the hanging chad fiasco in utterly disastrous overall debacle of the 2000 election. Speaking of that…
14. Your vote isn’t necessarily up to you, anyway. For example, in an exceedingly simplified rundown of the 2000 presidential election, an extremely close popular vote in Florida — worsened by ballot problems (see 13) — led Al Gore to challenge the results in court. Eventually, the United States Supreme Court intervened — but its decision a mere two hours prior to Florida’s deadline to finalize the vote tally essentially decided the national election in favor of George W. Bush. Many felt Gore would have won had a recount, or another election, been performed — particularly if undervotes, those the machines couldn’t read, had been hand counted. Oh well. So much for the value of the vote.
15. Voting for a third party candidate just isn’t the rebellion you’ve been led to believe. That politician is as much a politician as those representing the duopoly — further, once that third party politician sits in the Oval Office, they’re as bound to follow the same establishment rules, and look to the same establishment Congress, as anyone. A third party candidate might seem different than their red or blue counterparts, but you’re still casting a vote for the failed system.
Additionally, to address the naysayers, voting third party isn’t throwing your vote away when no votes have inherent worth. No vote is in itself an act of rebellion when all votes are a futile participation in the illusion.
16. If you don’t vote, the irate masses warn, you aren’t fulfilling your civic duty — but the masses are simply stuck in the delusion that voting matters and don’t grasp the concept of coercive force. In no way is it your duty to impose your views on anyone by voting for this farcical system enriching the few at the cost of oppressing the many. Ire against non-voters only evidences exactly this point.
Further, the choice to not vote isn’t a privilege of a particular race, despite claims to the contrary. Telling someone you don’t have the luxury of abstaining from the election shows an absurd ignorance of the mechanisms of our system of governance. No matter who sits at the helm, the stratification of wealth will continue, the militarization of police will intensify, and legislators will write into law policies benefiting the upper crust.
17. Refusing to vote gives you both a clean conscience — and the right to complain.

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