Lest We Forget

lukin2006

In Honour of all Veterans, In Canada we honour our veterans from November 5 - November 11

In Flanders Fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

-John McCrae, M.D.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Always make time to remember on Nov 11th.

lukin2006

Bump

PJfanwillneverleave1

http://ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/celebrity/watch-leonard-cohen-recite-an-emotional-version-of-in-flanders-fields?google_editors_picks=true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoJvHcMLfc

rgambs

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
How about you delete your above post and observe a moment of silence in this thread today.

dankind

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
How about you delete your above post and observe a moment of silence in this thread today.

Isn't that your m.o.?

rustneversleeps

hats off to all Veterans today.

miss you Laffdogg.....

lukin2006

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

lukin2006

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
How about you delete your above post and observe a moment of silence in this thread today.

She can't, she's full of BS

rgambs

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

rustneversleeps

good grief... can't even take a moment to honor veterans without a pissing match ensuing. the interweb is a cesspool of piss and shit.

miss you Laffdogg....

lukin2006

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

dankind

rustneversleeps said:

good grief... can't even take a moment to honor veterans without a pissing match ensuing. the interweb is a cesspool of piss and shit.

miss you Laffdogg....

It's "The Aristocrats."

rgambs

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

PJfanwillneverleave1

OP
Ask to have this thread closed and start a new one.

benjs

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

rgambs, I think it was pretty clear that the OP posted not for civil dialogue, but out of respect to the fallen - nothing more, nothing less. Agree or disagree with war, that's fine, but I don't believe that discussion was the M.O. of this thread. I can't speak to what Memorial Day is like in the States, but here in Canada, there is never a discussion about the validity of war on Remembrance Day, just an acknowledgment that it happened, and that deaths and injuries occurred.

rgambs

benjs said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

rgambs, I think it was pretty clear that the OP posted not for civil dialogue, but out of respect to the fallen - nothing more, nothing less. Agree or disagree with war, that's fine, but I don't believe that discussion was the M.O. of this thread. I can't speak to what Memorial Day is like in the States, but here in Canada, there is never a discussion about the validity of war on Remembrance Day, just an acknowledgment that it happened, and that deaths and injuries occurred.

I see your point. It wasn't my intent to disrespect veterans (though I am unashamed to admit I have done so before) but to begin a dialogue about the very restriction of dialogue that is occuring. AMT is a place for reasoned debate, and it was my intent to have that civil dialogue. I will discontinue that course of action, but not apologize for trying to have a reasoned debate on AMT.

rustneversleeps

benjs said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

rgambs, I think it was pretty clear that the OP posted not for civil dialogue, but out of respect to the fallen - nothing more, nothing less. Agree or disagree with war, that's fine, but I don't believe that discussion was the M.O. of this thread. I can't speak to what Memorial Day is like in the States, but here in Canada, there is never a discussion about the validity of war on Remembrance Day, just an acknowledgment that it happened, and that deaths and injuries occurred.

it is no different here Benjs... i think you are intelligent enough to know that.

benjs

rustneversleeps said:

benjs said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

rgambs, I think it was pretty clear that the OP posted not for civil dialogue, but out of respect to the fallen - nothing more, nothing less. Agree or disagree with war, that's fine, but I don't believe that discussion was the M.O. of this thread. I can't speak to what Memorial Day is like in the States, but here in Canada, there is never a discussion about the validity of war on Remembrance Day, just an acknowledgment that it happened, and that deaths and injuries occurred.

it is no different here Benjs... i think you are intelligent enough to know that.

Honestly, I did not know one way or another. I don't think intelligence has anything to do with having a finger on the pulse of America's reaction to a day about war-related fatalities, and whether the discussion ever pivots to the necessity of war. In any case, I meant no offence by it but if it was offensive, then I apologize for that.

benjs

rgambs said:

benjs said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

I find this post interesting coming from you lukin, considering the vitriol you hurl at American posters over our nation's warmongering.

So I am not allowed to show respect for our fallen soldiers and for those who served? Including a grandfather in WW1 and several Uncles in WW2? Are you always this disrespectful? And there is a massive difference between the first world wars and the so called bullshit wars you're country drags it soldiers in today...and for what...oil, at least my country when it enters a conflict it usually to fight back tyranny or in the aftermath of the big wars entered into peace keeping and then holding up its NATO obligation and entered Afghanistan, because your country with the huge military budget needed to be the first NATO country to invoke article 5 and dragged NATO into your conflict...So in a nutshell my country generally looks for dialogue and peacekeeping, your country still prefers war over to dialogue and always will...how many years in the history of your country have you been at war in some point...like I said the other day I think you full of BS.

I didn't say you are not allowed, just that it is interesting. Seems somewhat incongruous to me and your over-reaction is interesting as well.
Perhaps on another day when you are capable (IF, you are pretty aggressive around here) of dispassionate debate we will discuss it.

what is your fucking problem???? are you always thus disrespectful??? Yea...no I'll skip dialogue with you... ignorant bullshitter, you're just pissed that your war monger candidate just got her ass handed to her in a general election...and it wasn't even close.

I don't understand this perceived disrespect. I am interested in a civil dialogue, and it appears you are not.

rgambs, I think it was pretty clear that the OP posted not for civil dialogue, but out of respect to the fallen - nothing more, nothing less. Agree or disagree with war, that's fine, but I don't believe that discussion was the M.O. of this thread. I can't speak to what Memorial Day is like in the States, but here in Canada, there is never a discussion about the validity of war on Remembrance Day, just an acknowledgment that it happened, and that deaths and injuries occurred.

I see your point. It wasn't my intent to disrespect veterans (though I am unashamed to admit I have done so before) but to begin a dialogue about the very restriction of dialogue that is occuring. AMT is a place for reasoned debate, and it was my intent to have that civil dialogue. I will discontinue that course of action, but not apologize for trying to have a reasoned debate on AMT.

I totally understand, and don't think you owe an apology at all