Obama, "Illegals can vote"

unsung

Nope, no voter fraud, move along pleb.

https://youtu.be/AQKAz7l5Es4

JimmyV

"When you vote you are a citizen yourself."

Because only citizens can vote.

Because illegals cannot vote.

Her question was strange. His answer was spot on.

a5pj

Just heard of a co-workers friend who early voted by mail for Trump, then went to early vote in person and was arrested. Thank goodness there are protections in place to make voter fraud non-existent. phew

bootlegger10

Good to know that some rules are still enforced, well only for the non-connected I guess.

HughFreakingDillon

hell, I've voted 7 times already. and I'm canadian. Pays to be a left-leaning member of the pearl jam fanclub.

membership has its priveleges.

dems for world domination!!!

HughFreakingDillon

obama and I have a good laugh at this every time I visit him on weekends in kenya.

Boxes&Books

I dislike the term illegal, in this context.

Have a wonderful day everyone.

Edit: forgot to add the smiley face

HughFreakingDillon

The clip that aired on Fox, though, did not include Obama’s follow-up remarks, in which the president said, “If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.”

“This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election,” Rodriguez noted.

Obama than added: “And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don’t want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school… who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.”

Boxes&Books

HughFreakingDillon said:

The clip that aired on Fox, though, did not include Obama’s follow-up remarks, in which the president said, “If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.”

“This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election,” Rodriguez noted.

Obama than added: “And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don’t want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school… who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.”

Man, I don't want to get into this discussion.

Did Obama mention the taco trucks? That really gets out the vote.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

hell, I've voted 7 times already. and I'm canadian. Pays to be a left-leaning member of the pearl jam fanclub.

membership has its priveleges.

dems for world domination!!!

You go, Hugh!

lukin2006

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

HughFreakingDillon

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

PJPOWER

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I was born on this land, I did not immigrate to it. My ancestors way down the line maybe...but I doubt there were many voting laws back then...

bootlegger10

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

Nobody is disputing legal immigration.

lukin2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

Well I for one will not roll my eyes at you ...

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people to do it illegally.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people to do it illegally.

his comment has nothing to do with voting. it was a general comment basically saying we are the descendents of immigrants and want to close the door on others. i was responding to that. I see email chains and facebook posts starting up, oh, right about now, about "keep christ in christmas" "fuck happy holidays! you don't like it! go back to your country" type bullshit.

them "stuck in the stone age" gave no one the right to slaughter them and steal their land.

"didn't do it the right way" is the understatement of the last 200 years.

lukin2006

bootlegger10 said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

Nobody is disputing legal immigration.

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people
to do it illegally.

LMFAO ... you just don't get it do you? You, your and my ancestors are living on stolen land, period. How hard is that to understand, thats why I don't give a shit about Obama being the first black president or Clinton being the first woman president means shit to me, absolutely nothing ... want to impress me, when a first nation person become president then I'll be impressed, until then you, me and any non first nations person is living on stolen land...so whenever I get a chance I will always encourage our governments to properly engage our first nations people's and get on with the business of dealing respectfully with our first nations people. At least here in Canada our first nations are a thought for our politicians during elections, then their needs become an afterthought as usual...

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people to do it illegally.

his comment has nothing to do with voting. it was a general comment basically saying we are the descendents of immigrants and want to close the door on others. i was responding to that. I see email chains and facebook posts starting up, oh, right about now, about "keep christ in christmas" "fuck happy holidays! you don't like it! go back to your country" type bullshit.

them "stuck in the stone age" gave no one the right to slaughter them and steal their land.

"didn't do it the right way" is the understatement of the last 200 years.

I can think of bigger understatements.
Of course it didn't give anyone the right and I said that. Apparently wasn't dramatic enough. I only mention the stone age because there was no government here, just groups of people literally living in prehistoric conditions who were killing each other as fast as the early Americans did. It was wrong to slaughter them.
Voting or not, I still don't see the relation. At least when I hear it, the statement "we are all immigrants" almost always is used as a put-down to those who believe in immigration laws and as an explanation for open-boarders, or at least less strict immigration laws. And seems to be the intended purpose here.
I just don't think you can compare people coming into a land without any government, to our immigration laws today of our government and say based on my ancestors it is unfair.
Yes, most of our ancestors are immigrants. Most by the law or before there was a law to begin with, and many even brought here against their will as slaves. Doesn't have anything to do with immigration today though.
Like just about any country as old as ours, there are some horrible aspects to our history. What does that have to do with today? Because my ancestors were immigrants we have to be easy on immigration today?
And no one wants to "close the doors on others." I have never heard from anyone, other than those misrepresenting what others think. We just see the need for laws and the necessity to follow them.
Let others come....legally.

mace1229

lukin2006 said:

bootlegger10 said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

Nobody is disputing legal immigration.

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people
to do it illegally.

LMFAO ... you just don't get it do you? You, your and my ancestors are living on stolen land, period. How hard is that to understand, thats why I don't give a shit about Obama being the first black president or Clinton being the first woman president means shit to me, absolutely nothing ... want to impress me, when a first nation person become president then I'll be impressed, until then you, me and any non first nations person is living on stolen land...so whenever I get a chance I will always encourage our governments to properly engage our first nations people's and get on with the business of dealing respectfully with our first nations people. At least here in Canada our first nations are a thought for our politicians during elections, then their needs become an afterthought as usual...

They lived on stolen land too. Your history books told you they all lived in peace and harmony together? They killed each other and stole land as fast as we did.

lukin2006

mace1229 said:

lukin2006 said:

bootlegger10 said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

Nobody is disputing legal immigration.

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lukin2006 said:

Unless your a first nations person, your living on stolen land and your all immigrants...

I say this all the time to people. not once have I received a non-eye-rolled response.

I roll my eyes because it isn't a fair analogy. Because my ancestors came here legally and went through Ellis Island, that means we should ignore all immigration laws and just let anyone in and vote? Or rewind a few hundred more years to the first pilgrims, and say how unfair it is we inhabited their land. Sure, we didn't do it in the right way, but what does that have to do with current immigration laws with a country that we established on this land that was previously occupied by people stuck in the stone age?
There are still lots of legal immigrants to the US, and lots become citizens and vote. I don't see what that has to do with allowing people
to do it illegally.

LMFAO ... you just don't get it do you? You, your and my ancestors are living on stolen land, period. How hard is that to understand, thats why I don't give a shit about Obama being the first black president or Clinton being the first woman president means shit to me, absolutely nothing ... want to impress me, when a first nation person become president then I'll be impressed, until then you, me and any non first nations person is living on stolen land...so whenever I get a chance I will always encourage our governments to properly engage our first nations people's and get on with the business of dealing respectfully with our first nations people. At least here in Canada our first nations are a thought for our politicians during elections, then their needs become an afterthought as usual...

They lived on stolen land too. Your history books told you they all lived in peace and harmony together? They killed each other and stole land as fast as we did.

Actually I'm quite aware of their violent past, but its general consensus they were here in mass first ... which is why we call them first nations people...it is amusing how you can justify our poor treatment of first nations people by using their violent past which took place on their own land on the continent they belong too...but something tells me far fewer first nations people perished during their disputes than did once the europeans showed up in mass, not to mention the over hunting and destruction of traditional first nations people hunting grounds...