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Bundys of Oregon were acquitted.

InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
edited October 2016 in A Moving Train
cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/oregon-standoff-ammon-bundy-acquittal/

Now imagine if they were black or Native American. Would be a different outcome.

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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    I completely back the Native Americans and believe in the acquittal

    and in what case would you have brought Blacks into this? Cause if i remember correctly a Bundy was executed in the same manner blacks protested police shootings?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    pjalive21 said:

    I completely back the Native Americans and believe in the acquittal

    and in what case would you have brought Blacks into this? Cause if i remember correctly a Bundy was executed in the same manner blacks protested police shootings?

    It wasn't a Bundy and he had a gun that he was reaching for.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,677
    Why do you believe in the acquittal?
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    So the US marshals were pissed and tasered their attorney after the verdict was read.

    "No, he's released on these charges. He's acquitted. Nevada doesn't have jurisdiction,'' Mumford yelled, standing before the judge. "If there's a detainer, show me.''

    "Mr. Mumford, you really need to never yell at me now or never again,'' the judge responded.

    Brown told Mumford that she's releasing Bundy on all federal holds in the Oregon case, but he'll have to take up any questions about the federal holds from the Nevada case with the U.S. Marshals Service.

    "If they want him, they know where to find him,'' Mumford told the judge. "I don't see any paper proving their authority to hold him.''

    Suddenly, a group of about six to seven U.S. Marshals, who had been either standing or seated around the perimeter of the courtroom, slowly moved in and surrounded Mumford at his defense table. The judge directed them to move back but moments later, the marshals grabbed onto him.

    "What are you doing?'' Mumford yelled, as he struggled and was taken down to the floor.

    As deputy marshals yelled, "Stop resisting,'' the judge demanded, "Everybody out of the courtroom now!''


    oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.html

    It's a good thing the attorney is white! No telling what could have happened otherwise.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Since when are judges rulers?

    She also made the statement during the trial that nobody was allowed to read parts of the Constitution to the jury. Its pathetic.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,677
    The law isn't your strong point.
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited October 2016

    Why do you believe in the acquittal?

    Pjalive posted he's voting for Trump. Why am I not surprised he's on the side of white privilege but throws a hissy fit over his Nazi hero vandalized in Hollywood? Murica double standards y'all! :anguished:
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    unsung said:

    Since when are judges rulers?

    She also made the statement during the trial that nobody was allowed to read parts of the Constitution to the jury. Its pathetic.



    But they're white and republican so they're magically above the law to you.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    unsung said:

    Since when are judges rulers?

    She also made the statement during the trial that nobody was allowed to read parts of the Constitution to the jury. Its pathetic.



    But they're white and republican so they're magically above the law to you.
    Oh, i know. Im not conservative btw and i call them out on this.

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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    unsung said:

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    Thanks for proving my point that you're selective about justice when it comes to white republican criminals. Aren't you libertarians supposed to be "socially liberal?" You're far from it.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I think youre missing the point.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,677
    I think he missed it, too. I was thinking "hey, I agree with unsung on something".
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    I think he missed it, too. I was thinking "hey, I agree with unsung on something".

    You thought wrong like most cuck liberals.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,677

    I think he missed it, too. I was thinking "hey, I agree with unsung on something".

    You thought wrong like most cuck liberals.
    No. The meme is pointing out the contradiction conservatives put themselves in when they blindly support police authority, yet distrust anything related to government involvement in gun control.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,634
    Lol, what a thread so far. :dizzy:

    I can't believe these guys were acquitted. Wow.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    I think he missed it, too. I was thinking "hey, I agree with unsung on something".

    You thought wrong like most cuck liberals.
    I thought I'd be the only one here that knew what a cuck was.

    Maybe I confused you with someone else.
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    brianlux said:

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    There's a lot of Cletuses out there that are much more heavily armed, much more stupid, much more distrustful and much more vindictive than the USA's oppressed minorities.

    If the police had engaged these idiots... I'm curious to know what the spinoff would have amounted to?

    I guess I'm wondering if it was a racially based decision not to kick the shit out of these slack jawed yokels or a tactical decision.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,668
    Seems the Bundys will have another reason to hole up and call their supporters to arms to defend their twisted version of the Constitution. Remember, they're coming for YOU! But is he vaxxed?

    Far-right activist Ammon Bundy loses Idaho hospital defamation case, must pay millions in fines

    SALEM, Ore. — Far-right activist Ammon Bundy, who led the takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, an associate and three of their groups must pay over $50 million in damages for accusing a hospital of child trafficking and harassing medical staff, a jury has decided.

    The defamation lawsuit by St. Luke’s Regional Health accused Bundy and Diego Rodriguez of making defamatory statements against the hospital and its employees after Rodriguez’s infant grandson was removed from his family for several days and taken to St. Luke’s amid concerns for his health.

    The emergency room physician, Dr. Rachel Thomas, testified that the 10-month-old baby's stomach was distended, his eyes were hollow and he was unable to sit up, reminding her of severely malnourished babies she had treated in Haiti, according to the Idaho Statesman newspaper. Police said at the time that medical personnel determined the child was malnourished and had lost weight.

    Bundy responded by urging his followers to protest at the hospital and at the homes of child protection service workers, law enforcement officers and others involved in the child protection case. Rodriguez wrote on his website that the baby was “kidnapped,” and suggested that the state and people involved in the case were engaged in “child trafficking” for profit.

    Bundy — who didn't attend the trial nor hire a lawyer, saying it would be too costly — denied in a video he posted Monday on YouTube that the baby was mistreated and said law enforcement and hospital staff put him at risk by removing him from his mother. The baby was healthy except for suffering from cyclic vomiting syndrome, Bundy said, unable to keep anything except his mother's breast milk down.

    The hospital claimed Bundy and Rodriguez orchestrated a smear campaign against it.

    Late Monday, a jury at the Ada County Courthouse in Boise agreed, awarding damages exceeding $50 million, the hospital announced.

    A statement on behalf of the law firm representing the plaintiffs said Bundy, Rodriguez and their supporters had surrounded St. Luke’s hospital campuses in Meridian and Boise, forcing lockdowns and causing diversion of emergency patients, disruption of planned procedures and cancelation of hundreds of appointments.

    “The jury’s decision imposes accountability for the ongoing campaign of intimidation, harassment and disinformation these defendants have conducted,” St. Luke's said in a statement. “It also affirms the importance of protecting health care providers and other public servants from attacks intended to prevent them from carrying out their responsibilities.”

    Bundy did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the jury’s decision. But in an interview Tuesday with KBOI News Talk radio, Bundy said he was innocent and called the civil trial “illegitimate.”

    “I've been a thorn in the side of the establishment here in Idaho for quite a while and this is their mechanism to try to destroy me,” Bundy said, adding that he didn't have funds to pay the damages.

    Lindsay Schubiner, programs director at Western States Center, an organization monitoring right-wing extremist groups, said the verdict “is a moment of real accountability for Ammon Bundy and his reckless campaign against St. Luke’s.”

    The jury’s verdict requires Bundy to pay the plaintiffs $6.2 million in compensatory damages and $6.15 million in punitive damages and Rodriguez to pay $7 million in compensatory damages and $6.5 million in punitive damages, according to Holland & Hart, the law firm, representing St. Luke’s. The remainder of the total $52.5 million in damages was assessed to the People’s Rights Network, Freedom Man Press and the Bundy campaign for governor.

    Bundy and his People’s Rights Network had earlier carried out protests at the Idaho Statehouse over coronavirus-related measures. He was temporarily banned from the government building in 2020.

    In 2016, Bundy led a 41-day armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon, to protest the arson convictions of two ranchers who set fires on federal land where they had been grazing their cattle. Bundy was acquitted of criminal charges in the matter.

    The hospital’s lawsuit was filed more than a year ago. Since then, Bundy ignored court orders related to the lawsuit, filed trespassing complaints against people hired to deliver legal paperwork and called on scores of his followers to camp at his home for protection when he learned he might be arrested on a warrant for a misdemeanor charge of contempt of court.

    In 2014, Bundy’s father, rancher Cliven Bundy, rallied supporters to stop officers from impounding Bundy Ranch cattle over more than $1 million in unpaid fees and penalties for grazing livestock on government land. The Nevada criminal case ended in a mistrial.

    Far-right activist Ammon Bundy loses Idaho hospital defamation case, must pay millions in fines (msn.com)

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