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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    PJPOWER said:

    Here's another take on the incident...
    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/28/unarmed-black-man-alfred-olango-killed-el-cajon-police-feigned-drawing-gun/

    Looks like suicide by cop to me.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2016
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.

    I've seen that video floating around a lot lately. The last few seconds are truly haunting and will stick with you a while...just warning others.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    JC29856 said:

    Guy with epilepsy in SD is murdered by officer involved shooting, eye witnesses say police confiscated their cell phones, police say NO cell phones were confiscated but ACLU has one eye witness that says her phone was taken by police and are talking to others that say the same.
    WTF

    Quick leap to "murder." Actually seems very cut and dry to me so far with the only thing even remotely suspicious is the confiscation of phones, which as far as I could tell was only according to one witness-so who knows. Even if that is the case, it doesn't seem disputed that he at least gave the impression he was pulling a weapon. So how is that even remotely close to murder given what we know so far?
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    CM189191 said:

    Hey look, police manage to take armed shooting suspect into custody without killing him! 3 people injured

    Its only news if someone gets shot
    Charlottesville 2013
    Hampton 2016

  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.

    Way to trot out a video that's nearly 20 years old.
    If that guy were black in 2016, he would have been shot as soon as he exited the vehicle.
    Vietnam Vet, can we jump to the conclusion that he may have had some mental health problems that should have been addressed? Perhaps he should not have been allowed to possess a gun in the first place.

    Or maybe he was just watering the Tree of Liberty.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    CM189191 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.

    Way to trot out a video that's nearly 20 years old.
    If that guy were black in 2016, he would have been shot as soon as he exited the vehicle.
    Vietnam Vet, can we jump to the conclusion that he may have had some mental health problems that should have been addressed? Perhaps he should not have been allowed to possess a gun in the first place.

    Or maybe he was just watering the Tree of Liberty.
    How pathetic.

    You need a 'fresh' video to justify police exercising forceful tactics to ensure they aren't killed while trying to keep your house safe?

    It's a mountain of such incidents that drives current police policy.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited September 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I'm obviously getting too old to hang around here.

    I would have thought some cop hater might have tried to tackle the questions I posed a few posts back... but all I get is 'scaredy cops'. Maybe it's me? Maybe I've got no f**king clue?

    Fine. Cops suck. They're all chickenshit, racist bastards targeting black people as agents of the state.

    You'll probably say I'm not answering your question directly, but in one of the linked articles earlier it show there's no correlation between a city's crime rate and the rate unarmed blacks are shot by police. So it's safe to say that some departments deal with the issue of prejudice and perception when stopping blacks better than other departments.
    These questions that the cop bashers have ignored?

    Do cops shoot black people as often as they shoot white people in the same proportion as each race's criminal activity? In other words, if blacks commit the majority of crimes for which police investigate, it goes without saying that more blacks would be shot than whites in the policing process."

    Are stereotypes, attitudes, and actions on the part of police borne from inherently racist attitudes, or are they developed through experiences? Do racists become cops or do cops become racist?


    Yah. I'm going to say you haven't answered them.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    I did answer the question in your first paragraph. It's not in the same proportion. And in the second paragraph, the answer is both.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,460
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    CM189191 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.

    Way to trot out a video that's nearly 20 years old.
    If that guy were black in 2016, he would have been shot as soon as he exited the vehicle.
    Vietnam Vet, can we jump to the conclusion that he may have had some mental health problems that should have been addressed? Perhaps he should not have been allowed to possess a gun in the first place.

    Or maybe he was just watering the Tree of Liberty.
    How pathetic.

    You need a 'fresh' video to justify police exercising forceful tactics to ensure they aren't killed while trying to keep your house safe?

    It's a mountain of such incidents that drives current police policy.
    You didn't present a mountain of evidence. You presented an anecdote. From 2 decades ago.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    CM189191 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    CM189191 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Cop exercising way too much patience with some idiot and pays the price:

    If my son ever made the brutal error of becoming a cop... I'd be expecting him to shoot well ahead of the point where the idiot got his rifle out of the truck.

    Of course, in that event, you'd get fools on here calling him scaredy cop... and other fools spouting off about abuse... and others making excuses for the idiot.

    Way to trot out a video that's nearly 20 years old.
    If that guy were black in 2016, he would have been shot as soon as he exited the vehicle.
    Vietnam Vet, can we jump to the conclusion that he may have had some mental health problems that should have been addressed? Perhaps he should not have been allowed to possess a gun in the first place.

    Or maybe he was just watering the Tree of Liberty.
    How pathetic.

    You need a 'fresh' video to justify police exercising forceful tactics to ensure they aren't killed while trying to keep your house safe?

    It's a mountain of such incidents that drives current police policy.
    You didn't present a mountain of evidence. You presented an anecdote. From 2 decades ago.
    You want me to list every pullover that has gone bad from the past decade?

    Come on man. You're smarter than that aren't you? To suggest these incidents are very rare and hardly worth considering when police develop their protocols for dealing with... get ready with your listening ears... idiots that feel the need to ignore modest police requests.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    I did answer the question in your first paragraph. It's not in the same proportion. And in the second paragraph, the answer is both.

    Except the data to support your answer has not been presented. Dignin's list never offered it. And you never contributed it either.

    And I would be curious to know what proportion of the police force entered the job as racists (your opinion of course).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:

    mace1229 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Hey look, police manage to take armed shooting suspect into custody without killing him! 3 people injured

    Yeah, but looks like 1 dead and 3 others injured. But the guy with the gun is okay!
    how are the guns? are the guns safe?

    Have we determined the race of the individual yet? I need to know if it's a thug, an illegal, or just some poor troubled youth.
    "The students were both white males. The teacher was a white female. The shooter is a white male," Garland said. "There is no racial undertone, no terrorism involved."

    Phew - dodged a bullet there.
  • tweedyfanjen
    tweedyfanjen Posts: 881
    CM189191 said:

    mace1229 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Hey look, police manage to take armed shooting suspect into custody without killing him! 3 people injured

    Yeah, but looks like 1 dead and 3 others injured. But the guy with the gun is okay!
    how are the guns? are the guns safe?

    Have we determined the race of the individual yet? I need to know if it's a thug, an illegal, or just some poor troubled youth.
    A 14 year old kid who killed his father and then for some reason decided to drive down the road and start shooting at kids on a school playground.
    I'm through with screaming
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I did answer the question in your first paragraph. It's not in the same proportion. And in the second paragraph, the answer is both.

    Except the data to support your answer has not been presented. Dignin's list never offered it. And you never contributed it either.

    And I would be curious to know what proportion of the police force entered the job as racists (your opinion of course).
    The data I referenced regarding the relationship between community crime rates and shooting unarmed blacks is in the links previously posted. I guess I can dig around later. There is no data that shows what percentage of the population is racist. You can say Klan members obviously are, but that's why people who want to minimize racism will fish and pick for other motivations. You can listen to former or current cops who have said that there's blatant racist cops. For other cops that are prejudice, you have to look at the stats that reflect bias and also combine it with the million of anecdotal stories from blacks about there interactions with cops.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited September 2016
    I'm not sure the point the article or you are trying to make? What is so wrong with calling someone a terrorist who shouts praises to Allah while shooting people, and not calling someone a terrorist who doesn't seem to have any connections to any group?
    Based on that article -which the incredibly dumb comments with an overwhelming majority wanting to focus on one thing; call him a Christian terrorist. Was this because he was white? Because I haven't seen any mention of Christianity - but even the article implied anyone who commits a crime is a terrorist.
    "Clearly they were terrified, as anyone would have been. It doesn't have to be a black or brown person shooting the gun for terror to be involved."
    So if I get scared during someone else's act that is terrorism?

    Well, then lets ad the director of "The Ring" to the no fly list.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    CM189191 said:

    CM189191 said:

    mace1229 said:

    CM189191 said:

    Hey look, police manage to take armed shooting suspect into custody without killing him! 3 people injured

    Yeah, but looks like 1 dead and 3 others injured. But the guy with the gun is okay!
    how are the guns? are the guns safe?

    Have we determined the race of the individual yet? I need to know if it's a thug, an illegal, or just some poor troubled youth.
    "The students were both white males. The teacher was a white female. The shooter is a white male," Garland said. "There is no racial undertone, no terrorism involved."

    Phew - dodged a bullet there.
    Everything's fine, just another white person shooting random people!
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited September 2016
    ^
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Spouting crime statistics is a diversion from the real issues use of force accountability and racism, both have nothing to do with crime stats.

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