just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
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First, I'd have more sense than his father to lament to the media how he no longer enjoys a good steak.
I really don't know...I am sure I'd be less of the mindset of "throw the book at him" and perhaps I'd even be more willing to believe "this was one mistake and he won't do it again." I don't necessarily blame his family for being happy that he did not do hard time. And maybe he did learn his lesson and won't do it again (not that I am smart enough to know which guys can do that and which will always thrist for power and keep doing it).
That's all neither here nor there, though. Intellectually, I'd know he deserves much, much more. These laws exist for reasons that include deterance...three months for Brock ain't gonna deter anyone.
How would you feel if the victim was your daughter?
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just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
I don't have kids, so I probably can not answer it properly. But I guess you can be disappointed and disgusted by his actions but still love him and support him.
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just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
First, I'd have more sense than his father to lament to the media how he no longer enjoys a good steak.
I really don't know...I am sure I'd be less of the mindset of "throw the book at him" and perhaps I'd even be more willing to believe "this was one mistake and he won't do it again." I don't necessarily blame his family for being happy that he did not do hard time. And maybe he did learn his lesson and won't do it again (not that I am smart enough to know which guys can do that and which will always thrist for power and keep doing it).
That's all neither here nor there, though. Intellectually, I'd know he deserves much, much more. These laws exist for reasons that include deterance...three months for Brock ain't gonna deter anyone.
How would you feel if the victim was your daughter?
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
if my son i'd like to think i'd stand by him but not lessen the crime he committed. i'd like to think i'd be just as disgusted by the crime if it was my son but honestly very hard to say. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been dumb enough to say '20 minutes' of bad judgment shouldn't destroy his life. that was an idiotic statement by the dad.
if it was my brother i'd have a hard time still being there i think. maybe in time could re-establish a relationship but i think that would take years. in the short term not sure how i could be in the same room with him or have him around the people in my life. would be hard to look at him knowing he committed such a terrible act.
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
I have daughters, so it's difficult for me to make that leap. But I can tell you this: if I were Brock, my parents would have encouraged the judge to throw the book at me. I know that for a fact.
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
I have daughters, so it's difficult for me to make that leap. But I can tell you this: if I were Brock, my parents would have encouraged the judge to throw the book at me. I know that for a fact.
I have a daughter as well and if Brock were my son, I would've no issues if the book were thrown at my son.
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just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
First, I'd have more sense than his father to lament to the media how he no longer enjoys a good steak.
I really don't know...I am sure I'd be less of the mindset of "throw the book at him" and perhaps I'd even be more willing to believe "this was one mistake and he won't do it again." I don't necessarily blame his family for being happy that he did not do hard time. And maybe he did learn his lesson and won't do it again (not that I am smart enough to know which guys can do that and which will always thrist for power and keep doing it).
That's all neither here nor there, though. Intellectually, I'd know he deserves much, much more. These laws exist for reasons that include deterance...three months for Brock ain't gonna deter anyone.
How would you feel if the victim was your daughter?
How would I feel if the victim was my daughter ?.......jail would be a safer place for him.
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
I have daughters, so it's difficult for me to make that leap. But I can tell you this: if I were Brock, my parents would have encouraged the judge to throw the book at me. I know that for a fact.
My parents would have too. You do something stupid to get in trouble, you pay the consequences regardless.
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
The Trump fanboy defends Brock. Why am I not surprised?
just had an interesting thought: how would we react if Brock was our brother or son ? young kids do stupid shit all the time and I'm not trying to defend him (he knew what he was doing) but really how would you react if he was your brother or son ? anybody here honest enough with them selves to answer that ?
Godfather.
If he was my brother or son, I would not have wanted to influence the jury whatsoever (since I believe that would be undue influence), but I'd have hoped for exactly what has taken place. Minimal jail time, highly restrictive probation, and the scar of being a registered sex offender, which will be a constant reminder to the kid of the terrible weight of his horrible deeds.
It's obvious that love for family will introduce bias - that's why they aren't allowed on the jury. The only time emotions should hold influence on the outcome of a trial, is when considering the defendant's level of remorse, and when considering the impact of the offence. In this case, even after a public impact statement was written by the victim, the defendant callously pled "not guilty", took no accountability for his actions, and showed no remorse for the victim. Based on the above, I truly fail to see how the Judge was able to rationalize a circumvention of a mandatory minimum (as much as I disagree with mandatory minimums).
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I'm a parent to two young individuals , my son is 22 attending WVU if he ever committed a crime such as this I'd want him to pay the fullest if found guilty...
If my daughter was the victim I'd want the person to pay for it the same way !!
This creep is a product of his family a total reflection of them ...
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I'm not sure what else can be said , he's a rapist subhuman that has ruined a woman's life and should be in jail !!!
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Sorry @Godfather. but if they were someone related to me or close to me in any way I can honestly say the exact things listed above and would throw them in prison myself...raping someone isn't kids, being kids
I have a daughter (in college) and a son (graduated from college). I worry about my daughter and the Brock Turners out there. If my son did something like that I would be crushed, but I would want him to accept full responsibility for his actions. Own up to it, ask for forgiveness. Serve his time.
The last thing I would do is cook him a flippin' steak.
I'm not sure what else can be said , he's a rapist subhuman that has ruined a woman's life and should be in jail !!!
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Sorry @Godfather. but if they were someone related to me or close to me in any way I can honestly say the exact things listed above and would throw them in prison myself...raping someone isn't kids, being kids
your right no doubt ! I mean that kids that age make different decisions than someone normally would at twice that age or even 10 years older, I wasn't excusing his behavior in any way.
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I really don't know...I am sure I'd be less of the mindset of "throw the book at him" and perhaps I'd even be more willing to believe "this was one mistake and he won't do it again." I don't necessarily blame his family for being happy that he did not do hard time. And maybe he did learn his lesson and won't do it again (not that I am smart enough to know which guys can do that and which will always thrist for power and keep doing it).
That's all neither here nor there, though. Intellectually, I'd know he deserves much, much more. These laws exist for reasons that include deterance...three months for Brock ain't gonna deter anyone.
How would you feel if the victim was your daughter?
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if it was my brother i'd have a hard time still being there i think. maybe in time could re-establish a relationship but i think that would take years. in the short term not sure how i could be in the same room with him or have him around the people in my life. would be hard to look at him knowing he committed such a terrible act.
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Godfather.
It's obvious that love for family will introduce bias - that's why they aren't allowed on the jury. The only time emotions should hold influence on the outcome of a trial, is when considering the defendant's level of remorse, and when considering the impact of the offence. In this case, even after a public impact statement was written by the victim, the defendant callously pled "not guilty", took no accountability for his actions, and showed no remorse for the victim. Based on the above, I truly fail to see how the Judge was able to rationalize a circumvention of a mandatory minimum (as much as I disagree with mandatory minimums).
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If my daughter was the victim I'd want the person to pay for it the same way !!
This creep is a product of his family a total reflection of them ...
This case touches on several disturbing societal trends (crime and punishment being the obvious one of them).
I'd like to think that a son raised with any of my influence would not have put himself in that position to harm a human being that way.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Sorry @Godfather. but if they were someone related to me or close to me in any way I can honestly say the exact things listed above and would throw them in prison myself...raping someone isn't kids, being kids
The last thing I would do is cook him a flippin' steak.
Godfather.