Catching a Pedophile

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The Surrey (BC) vigilante group Creep Catchers entrapped a potential pedophile looking to hook up with a 15 year old girl. Raw video footage of the encounter:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2896142/video-ubc-employee-caught-trying-to-lure-underage-girl/

hedonist

I applaud the efforts and actions of this and similar organizations.

"Going through lots of things"...and so is compelled to send a dick pic to someone near/at the age of his children.

Alright, that makes much sense.

Fuck him and his excuses.

(I also don't get the random sending of such photos. Guys, it's NOT hot...at all.)

brianlux

hedonist said:

I applaud the efforts and actions of this and similar organizations.

"Going through lots of things"...and so is compelled to send a dick pic to someone near/at the age of his children.

Alright, that makes much sense.

Fuck him and his excuses.

(I also don't get the random sending of such photos. Guys, it's NOT hot...at all.)

Totally agree.

josevolution

I'm just gonna say one thing , Internet

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The discussion is: how do people feel about vigilante groups performing these tasks for us?

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The discussion is: how do people feel about vigilante groups performing these tasks for us?

Vigilante groups generally appeal to and are led and followed by people who are prone to anger and violence without the propensity to be judicious. For all the arguments we hear about police brutality- and there certainly are plenty of strong cases for making that kind of accusation- leaving justice to be meted out in the hands of what too often becomes mob mentality opens the door to even more egregious and blatant injustices. Vigilantism is probably easier than changing laws but easy is not better. No way am I in favor of vigilante justice.

Now this may be getting off subject a bit here and if so it might make an provocative thread of its own, but what if we throw into your question, Thirty, the notion of what constitutes vigilante justice. For instance, is sabotage a form of vigilantism or can it be achieved within the law?

mace1229

I miss Chris Hanson.

hedonist

It doesn't appear what happened with this piece of shit was done outside of the law...was it? Not sure how things work in Canada.

Anyway, when it comes to peds, no sympathy or compassion from me. Just get the motherfuckers out of business and away from their prey. If that makes some uncomfortable or consider me to be part of a "mob mentality", so be it.

PJ_Soul

Problem with vigilantes is that they often wrongly accuse people. A LOT of innocent people are accused of child molestation. Even if they are ultimately found innocent, it still usually ruins their lives because even the false label sticks.

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PJ_Soul said:

Problem with vigilantes is that they often wrongly accuse people. A LOT of innocent people are accused of child molestation. Even if they are ultimately found innocent, it still usually ruins their lives because even the false label sticks.

A tough one to shed for sure. It's like a scarlet letter, really.

I'm not sure where I am with vigilante justice. The movie Time to Kill had me cheering for the father: I understood his anger.

I remember the threads where the rancher beat to death the asshole that was molesting his daughter (he walked in on him)... and the father that lumped out the peeping tom. There are certain instincts we have that are very strong: survival, reproduction (all things sexual), and protection.

Whether right or wrong... it's asking a lot of a human being to look the other way when your child has been harmed.

PJ_Soul

I figure that is the price we pay to live in a lawful society. The whole "swift justice" carried put by the citizens thing has been tried many times throughout history, and seriously, those societies definitely do not come off as one any reasonable person today would want to live in. Such societies are dangerous for everyone, and overtly violent.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

I figure that is the price we pay to live in a lawful society. The whole "swift justice" carried put by the citizens thing has been tried many times throughout history, and seriously, those societies definitely do not come off as one any reasonable person today would want to live in. Such societies are dangerous for everyone, and overtly violent.

In the bigger picture... for sure. But in the moment... it's a different story for the individuals within it.

pjhawks

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Problem with vigilantes is that they often wrongly accuse people. A LOT of innocent people are accused of child molestation. Even if they are ultimately found innocent, it still usually ruins their lives because even the false label sticks.

A tough one to shed for sure. It's like a scarlet letter, really.

I'm not sure where I am with vigilante justice. The movie Time to Kill had me cheering for the father: I understood his anger.

I remember the threads where the rancher beat to death the asshole that was molesting his daughter (he walked in on him)... and the father that lumped out the peeping tom. There are certain instincts we have that are very strong: survival, reproduction (all things sexual), and protection.

Whether right or wrong... it's asking a lot of a human being to look the other way when your child has been harmed.

i think there is a difference to reacting to an event and carrying out justice...and planning and scheming to catch someone doing something. totally understand a father walking in on a guy molesting his daughter beating the shit out of and/or killing that person. that being said a group in the original post story and groups like Anonymous i think walk a very fine line that personally i have a hard time coming to terms with. On one hand some of those groups have done some good things but in the wrong hands that kind of vigilantism can be very harmful. where do we draw the line between good and evil in vigilantism?

hedonist

I'm going by the original post. Whether or not there was an actual teenager on the receiving end, the guy aiming to get her with his gloriously stellar wooing ways thought she was a youngster...believed the viewer of his "art" was not an adult.

Am I missing something here in that yet another scumbag predator was brought to light and will hopefully no longer have the means to do this again? Not like this guy even needed the particular bait - just happened to be given some intentionally, and he bit.

Better dealt with this way than him actually fucking (with) a teen, or child.

Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Who Princess

I just finished reading an article about lynchings in the U.S. so that's affected my reaction to the story. The police get things wrong often enough that I don't have a lot of faith in a group of vigilantes. On the other hand, I think ordinary citizens can help in solving and preventing crimes. I have a lot of anger about pedophiles, among the most destructive of criminals.

hedonist said:

(I also don't get the random sending of such photos. Guys, it's NOT hot...at all.)

Srsly, I do not understand the appeal of this at all.

jeffbr

hedonist said:

I'm going by the original post. Whether or not there was an actual teenager on the receiving end, the guy aiming to get her with his gloriously stellar wooing ways thought she was a youngster...believed the viewer of his "art" was not an adult.

Am I missing something here in that yet another scumbag predator was brought to light and will hopefully no longer have the means to do this again? Not like this guy even needed the particular bait - just happened to be given some intentionally, and he bit.

Better dealt with this way than him actually fucking (with) a teen, or child.

Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I feel the same way. This guy was caught red handed. He sent dick pics to a teenage girl (or thought he did). No sympathy for whatever consequences come from doing that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm with the others applauding the exposure of the pedo rodent. I was okay with him squirming as he did and I'm okay with what will most certainly be the fallout from such wickedness.

So... I guess in a roundabout way... I'm okay with vigilante groups. I can't pump my fist and say 'well done' while at the same time discouraging the practice of groups like Creep Catchers.

I think I'm okay with them to the point of exposure and/or apprehension. With that said... if someone is erroneously exposed for something as egregious as this shmuck... very damaging. Mixed feelings for sure.

Jason P

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Jason P said:

Hahahaha

PJfanwillneverleave1

Did we find out what happened with this POS?
Cops came? Arrested? What?
A lot of the other predators caught on NBC end up walking.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Did we find out what happened with this POS?
Cops came? Arrested? What?
A lot of the other predators caught on NBC end up walking.

I took a weird pleasure in watching Chris Hanson's show and seeing these sick fucks exposed for what and who they are - and some of them getting their due.

For fuck's sake, there even was a rabbi who traveled to meet his prey.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
I know.
It was a "hit show".
But if you followed up on these sickos many of the cases were never prosecuted.

mcgruff10

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I know.
It was a "hit show".
But if you followed up on these sickos many of the cases were never prosecuted.

Seriously?!??

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
A wise man on this site once told me that he won't do the research for me.
So yes, seriously.
Follow it up.

edit - Some may have been "prosecuted" but many were set free due to lack of blah, blah, blah,....

oftenreading

"Lack of blah blah blah"?

Would that be lack of due process?

If you are ever arrested, you will probably be hoping that due process will be followed.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
As many people on here seem to want a civil protest a great many would not want to be arrested.
If the due process can't contain predators of children we are in trouble.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

"Lack of blah blah blah"?

Would that be lack of due process?

If you are ever arrested, you will probably be hoping that due process will be followed.

I freaking hate it when there's a lack of blah blah blah. Pisses me off. PM Sunny Ways always has a lack of blah blah blah. Jerk.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

"Lack of blah blah blah"?

Would that be lack of due process?

If you are ever arrested, you will probably be hoping that due process will be followed.

I freaking hate it when there's a lack of blah blah blah. Pisses me off. PM Sunny Ways always has a lack of blah blah blah. Jerk.

Thank god there's no lack of blah blah blah on this forum.

mace1229

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I know.
It was a "hit show".
But if you followed up on these sickos many of the cases were never prosecuted.

Everything I know about underage sex crimes I learned from Dateline. Was sort of a guilty pleasure of ours while it was on, something about watching a sicko have the worst day of their life was entertaining.

It seems in the early seasons Chris Hanson would let them go with a warning. I even remember one of the early episodes they caught the same guy again on day 2! Seriously, I mean after all that you'd go straight back online and prey on another child within hours? But soon they received so many complaints that they were just letting these sick people back on the street they started involving the cops and were arrested on the spot.
They would end each episode with a follow-up of each person in the episode, and many received pretty harsh sentences. In many states thinking you are sexting or meeting an underage person for sex is just the same as if it was a real underage person. Some states the penalties seemed less, but almost all seemed to get convicted of something and most had to register....after the first season or two when the police were involved anyway.

PJ_Soul

Yeah, I don't think I ever saw those earlier shows where the cops weren't involved, but I do remember the updates on everyone in the later shows, and much more often than not they were sentenced and registered.