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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    You have to realize that there is a hierarchy in the validity of sources. At one end of the spectrum are those which are reputable, defensible, and well-researched. AT the other end are those that are simply the personal opinion of an individual with no particular expertise in that area. They are not equivalent. If some want to call the second sort of source "undesirable", then sure, I'd agree with that, but not in the sense that I believe unsung means.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    unsung said:

    Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently serving 14 years in prison for something similar.



    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/10/ron_fournier_clinton_server_all_about_the_clinton_foundation_and_pay-to-play_for_donors.html

    Wasn't blagoyavich convicted of lying to the fbi?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    Degeneratefk said:

    unsung said:

    Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently serving 14 years in prison for something similar.



    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/10/ron_fournier_clinton_server_all_about_the_clinton_foundation_and_pay-to-play_for_donors.html

    Wasn't blagoyavich convicted of lying to the fbi?
    He was convicted of offering Obama's vacant senate seat up for something in exchange, on tape. Pay to play and influence peddling has been going on since the start of the republic. It didn't start with Hillary and the lines have always been blurred. Ever wonder where all of our US ambassadors come from? Or how about the chair of the secret energy committee in the previous administration?
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited August 2016
    In the spirit of that post doesn't it strike people as a bit odd that Hillary campaigns on women's rights but happily accepts millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia, who executes women for driving, for her foundation and then turns around and cuts them a sweet arms deal?

    Seriously, what happened to some of you? Did you turn in your backbones when Bush/Cheney went home?
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    A lot of effort went into linking to a many times discredited neocon blog? Are you serious? If that's the level of scholarship or fact producing to back your argument that you're relying on and then have the gall to be offended, then yea, this country is fucked. I'll start a blog to say whatever I want, pass it off as God honest truth and then act butt hurt when I get called out on it. How are those FEMA camps doing? Death panels? Obama come to your door and take your gun? It's one thing to discuss "facts." Quite another to discuss innuendo, supposition and as yet "unproven" theories. All because, basically, the neocons can't stop Hillary on her policy, or record as First Lady, senator or Sec. of State, hence the utter and complete lack of policy debate.

    I'll wait for the much maligned Julian Assange's "October Surprise."

    because Huffpo and MSNBC are any better.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    A lot of effort went into linking to a many times discredited neocon blog? Are you serious? If that's the level of scholarship or fact producing to back your argument that you're relying on and then have the gall to be offended, then yea, this country is fucked. I'll start a blog to say whatever I want, pass it off as God honest truth and then act butt hurt when I get called out on it. How are those FEMA camps doing? Death panels? Obama come to your door and take your gun? It's one thing to discuss "facts." Quite another to discuss innuendo, supposition and as yet "unproven" theories. All because, basically, the neocons can't stop Hillary on her policy, or record as First Lady, senator or Sec. of State, hence the utter and complete lack of policy debate.

    I'll wait for the much maligned Julian Assange's "October Surprise."

    because Huffpo and MSNBC are any better.
    Because their reporting is a teeny weeny bit more vetted than a neocon blogger and can be typically confirmed through other multiple media sources and well, facts.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    And nice deflection by the way.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,993
    edited August 2016
    Free said:

    Yeah, I have had to resort to that and I'll tell you why. For the last many months, I have been consistently backing up my arguments with sources... I was the ONLY one actually using sources!! Don't believe me, refer to the Bernie and Hollary threads. People don't debate here, they use their Opinions as a source. That's why I started playing the dirty mind numbing game, because using sources has become a thing of the past... You included, PJSoul, since we're getting nitpicky.

    Plenty of sources are still posted by me and many others. You have never been the only one, come on man. Sometimes they're used by people and sometimes they are not. So what? You don't think that people should be expressing opinions on a message board?? It's called having conversation. I think you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want to hear any opinions unless they are backed up by a research paper. If you think no one ever posts sources to try and support or demonstrate what they're saying in this forum you're delusional, especially if you think someone should be responding to completely unfounded conspiracy theories while there is a complete lack of ANY legit sources with something other than a tin foil hat image.
    If you're not getting the responses you crave here, why don't you just go and find a forum that meets the strict requirements that you have supposedly abandoned? Seems like a better option than just constantly complaining about how you can't stand this forum while doing the exact thing you're complaining about, lol.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited August 2016
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    Yeah, I have had to resort to that and I'll tell you why. For the last many months, I have been consistently backing up my arguments with sources... I was the ONLY one actually using sources!! Don't believe me, refer to the Bernie and Hollary threads. People don't debate here, they use their Opinions as a source. That's why I started playing the dirty mind numbing game, because using sources has become a thing of the past... You included, PJSoul, since we're getting nitpicky.

    Plenty of sources are still posted by me and many others. You have never been the only one, come on man. Sometimes they're used by people and sometimes they are not. So what? You don't think that people should be expressing opinions on a message board?? It's called having conversation. I think you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want to hear any opinions unless they are backed up by a research paper. If you think no one ever posts sources to try and support or demonstrate what they're saying in this forum you're delusional, especially if you think someone should be responding to completely unfounded conspiracy theories while there is a complete lack of ANY legit sources with something other than a tin foil hat image.
    If you're not getting the responses you crave here, why don't you just go and find a forum that meets the strict requirements that you have supposedly abandoned? Seems like a better option than just constantly complaining about how you can't stand this forum while doing the exact thing you're complaining about, lol.
    I don't buy into your condescending garbage PJS. You clearly don't know what a debate is if you rely on opinion to back up an argument. When was the last time you even used a credible source? This is a debate forum, if you want to throw a hissy fit about how to debate and discuss and how people can leave because you say so? Imagine the result.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,993
    edited August 2016
    Free said:

    .

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    Yeah, I have had to resort to that and I'll tell you why. For the last many months, I have been consistently backing up my arguments with sources... I was the ONLY one actually using sources!! Don't believe me, refer to the Bernie and Hollary threads. People don't debate here, they use their Opinions as a source. That's why I started playing the dirty mind numbing game, because using sources has become a thing of the past... You included, PJSoul, since we're getting nitpicky.

    Plenty of sources are still posted by me and many others. You have never been the only one, come on man. Sometimes they're used by people and sometimes they are not. So what? You don't think that people should be expressing opinions on a message board?? It's called having conversation. I think you're hanging out in the wrong place if you don't want to hear any opinions unless they are backed up by a research paper. If you think no one ever posts sources to try and support or demonstrate what they're saying in this forum you're delusional, especially if you think someone should be responding to completely unfounded conspiracy theories while there is a complete lack of ANY legit sources with something other than a tin foil hat image.
    If you're not getting the responses you crave here, why don't you just go and find a forum that meets the strict requirements that you have supposedly abandoned? Seems like a better option than just constantly complaining about how you can't stand this forum while doing the exact thing you're complaining about, lol.
    I don't buy into your condescending garbage PJS. You clearly don't know what a debate is if you rely on opinion to back up an argument. When was the last time you even used a credible source? This is a debate forum, if you want to throw a hissy fit about how to debate and discuss and how people can leave because you say so? Imagine the result.
    I don't even want you to leave. I was asking why you don't since you don't like this forum. No hissy fit. I am calm. And I use credible sources as often as I care to, and don't need to back up everything i say with some random crap off the internet. It would be nice if you'd stop constantly complaining about how everybody else conducts themselves while you are conducting yourself in the exact same way. It's so hypocritical. You accuse me of condescension by being condescending. You get mad at me about having a hissy fit by having a hissy fit, and you think that people shouldn't offer their opinions while offering your own. I am not sure what you're expecting, but if you think you can just criticise how others decide to talk about things and then get a response from them that is positive then you will probably be waiting for a long time.

    (God this is a dumb conversation)
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    unsung said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    unsung said:

    http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wow-breaking-video-julian-assange-suggests-seth-rich-wikileaks-dnc-source-shot-dead-dc/&s=1&f=1&ts=1470797997&sig=AKOVD655i1PCMKoTUCbuLIBcPxI1p_vJ0g

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    It is honestly no wonder why I left this forum for two years with stupid fucking responses such as this.
    That's pretty harsh.
    It is not really. It's pretty common here, people put effort into a post and get responses such as this and are dismissed because the links provided aren't desirable. It's easier to simply do that than to actually come up with a response with meaning.

    Over and over. It's operating procedure for a few here.
    If your response was "effort" you need to do much better than that if you want to go beyond the tin foil hat response. I'm not playing.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    unsung said:

    Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich is currently serving 14 years in prison for something similar.



    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/10/ron_fournier_clinton_server_all_about_the_clinton_foundation_and_pay-to-play_for_donors.html

    Wasn't blagoyavich convicted of lying to the fbi?
    He was convicted of offering Obama's vacant senate seat up for something in exchange, on tape. Pay to play and influence peddling has been going on since the start of the republic. It didn't start with Hillary and the lines have always been blurred. Ever wonder where all of our US ambassadors come from? Or how about the chair of the secret energy committee in the previous administration?
    He's was charged with 24 federal crimes. He was convicted on only 1 of the 24, lying to the FBI.

    "On August 17, 2010, he was convicted on one of the 24 federal charges, a charge of lying to the FBI, and the jury was hung on 23 other counts."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    A lot of effort went into linking to a many times discredited neocon blog? Are you serious? If that's the level of scholarship or fact producing to back your argument that you're relying on and then have the gall to be offended, then yea, this country is fucked. I'll start a blog to say whatever I want, pass it off as God honest truth and then act butt hurt when I get called out on it. How are those FEMA camps doing? Death panels? Obama come to your door and take your gun? It's one thing to discuss "facts." Quite another to discuss innuendo, supposition and as yet "unproven" theories. All because, basically, the neocons can't stop Hillary on her policy, or record as First Lady, senator or Sec. of State, hence the utter and complete lack of policy debate.

    I'll wait for the much maligned Julian Assange's "October Surprise."

    because Huffpo and MSNBC are any better.
    Because their reporting is a teeny weeny bit more vetted than a neocon blogger and can be typically confirmed through other multiple media sources and well, facts.
    A conservative blogger vs a room full of leftist feminist bloggers. Nice vetting.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    A lot of effort went into linking to a many times discredited neocon blog? Are you serious? If that's the level of scholarship or fact producing to back your argument that you're relying on and then have the gall to be offended, then yea, this country is fucked. I'll start a blog to say whatever I want, pass it off as God honest truth and then act butt hurt when I get called out on it. How are those FEMA camps doing? Death panels? Obama come to your door and take your gun? It's one thing to discuss "facts." Quite another to discuss innuendo, supposition and as yet "unproven" theories. All because, basically, the neocons can't stop Hillary on her policy, or record as First Lady, senator or Sec. of State, hence the utter and complete lack of policy debate.

    I'll wait for the much maligned Julian Assange's "October Surprise."

    because Huffpo and MSNBC are any better.
    Because their reporting is a teeny weeny bit more vetted than a neocon blogger and can be typically confirmed through other multiple media sources and well, facts.
    A conservative blogger vs a room full of leftist feminist bloggers. Nice vetting.
    A conservative blogger who just makes shit up and is paid by corporations and/or conservative think tanks to spread said made shit up. Still think people don't contribute to global warming? Still thinking DHS bought tanks? Or billions of rounds of ammo? Have you visited your local FEMA camp yet? Seriously? Ron Paul molested his son. Read that on a leftest, feminist's website. Must be true?
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