Misjustice in Baltimore

mace1229

I believe there has been a big misjustice in Baltimore. Not that all 6 trials in the Freddie Gray case ended in acquittals, but the actions of the mayor (Stephanie Rawlins-Blake)and state attorney (Marilyn Mosbey) to begin with.
Since it's just my opinion the trumped up charges were filed for political motivations and not any real facts, lets focus on what we do know.
The mayor encouraged and encited riots herself. In her own words so said let the protestors have "space to destroy." She knew exactly what that meant, and lead to riots and looting. The settlement given to the family was done before the investigation was complete (barely after it started) and was one of the highest settlements ever. This action gives the implication of guilt before a proper investigation was complete and before 6 defendants went to trial whom she was openly accusing of wrongdoing, despite any facts.
Despite a gag order, both the mayor and state attorneney publicly slandered the 6 defendants, who couldn't legally respond and defend themselves. Both promised to prosecute and deliver success without any knowledge of facts, told the public they were guilty. They used their position to repeatedly tell the public of their guilt, and requested a gag order so they couldn't respond to the false accusations.

Now if you believe this was police corruption, all 6 are cleared, most from a jury. So you'd have to believe random jurors from different trials are involved, or just believe the most realistic scenario which is these charges should have never been filed and the city officials are corrupt and bias.
Why are no charges filed against the mayor and attorney for their actions? Why is no one else upset for their misconduct and abuse of power? Why is a mayor encouraging riots without consequence? Why is a state attorney only interested in filing charges and not the truth?
When you wrongfully charge someone with a crime like this, you cost them hundreds of thousands and change their lives forever.
I hope the civil lawsuits will leave them penny less if nothing else.

OffSheGoes35

Freddie Gray was handcuffed and put into the back of a van with no seat belt. It was no doubt a terrifying 30 minute ride, or rather it was terrifying for the space of time in which he was conscious. And it is so common locals call it a "rough ride". Here is a newspaper article from The Baltimore Sun about rough rides...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

Cliffy6745

mace1229 said:

I believe there has been a big misjustice in Baltimore. Not that all 6 trials in the Freddie Gray case ended in acquittals, but the actions of the mayor (Stephanie Rawlins-Blake)and state attorney (Marilyn Mosbey) to begin with.
Since it's just my opinion the trumped up charges were filed for political motivations and not any real facts, lets focus on what we do know.
The mayor encouraged and encited riots herself. In her own words so said let the protestors have "space to destroy." She knew exactly what that meant, and lead to riots and looting. The settlement given to the family was done before the investigation was complete (barely after it started) and was one of the highest settlements ever. This action gives the implication of guilt before a proper investigation was complete and before 6 defendants went to trial whom she was openly accusing of wrongdoing, despite any facts.
Despite a gag order, both the mayor and state attorneney publicly slandered the 6 defendants, who couldn't legally respond and defend themselves. Both promised to prosecute and deliver success without any knowledge of facts, told the public they were guilty. They used their position to repeatedly tell the public of their guilt, and requested a gag order so they couldn't respond to the false accusations.

Now if you believe this was police corruption, all 6 are cleared, most from a jury. So you'd have to believe random jurors from different trials are involved, or just believe the most realistic scenario which is these charges should have never been filed and the city officials are corrupt and bias.
Why are no charges filed against the mayor and attorney for their actions? Why is no one else upset for their misconduct and abuse of power? Why is a mayor encouraging riots without consequence? Why is a state attorney only interested in filing charges and not the truth?
When you wrongfully charge someone with a crime like this, you cost them hundreds of thousands and change their lives forever.
I hope the civil lawsuits will leave them penny less if nothing else.

How did he die?

Jason P

I find it hard to believe that if you are in charge of driving a human being from point A to point B and said human is dead upon arrival at point B that you can be acquitted. Not only that, they are getting $87K in back-pay for clearly not doing their job correctly.

I'm fairly certain I will get canned if some dies at my workplace due to my negligence.

Dirtie_Frank

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

rgambs

Jason P said:

I find it hard to believe that if you are in charge of driving a human being from point A to point B and said human is dead upon arrival at point B that you can be acquitted. Not only that, they are getting $87K in back-pay for clearly not doing their job correctly.

I'm fairly certain I will get canned if some dies at my workplace due to my negligence.

Cliffy6745

Dirtie_Frank said:

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

Pretty wild that people's necks just break like that then. I better watch out

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

Pretty wild that people's necks just break like that then. I better watch out

i think it was broken before he got in the van. when they carry him to the van ihs legs are lifeless.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

Pretty wild that people's necks just break like that then. I better watch out

i think it was broken before he got in the van. when they carry him to the van ihs legs are lifeless.

Yeah, but he looks back and ducks his head as he's getting in.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

Pretty wild that people's necks just break like that then. I better watch out

i think it was broken before he got in the van. when they carry him to the van ihs legs are lifeless.

Yeah, but he looks back and ducks his head as he's getting in.

never noticed that. just always jumped out at me that how he barely moves as they carry him.

hard to say who should have been charged or convicted though since there doesn't seem to a consensus on when and how he was injured.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Umm!!! There was no rough ride

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-van-driver-in-freddie-gray-case-continues-in-baltimore/2016/06/13/f148075e-3197-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html

A Baltimore City Police detective testified Tuesday that the police van in which Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. allegedly gave Freddie Gray a “rough ride” didn't appear in surveillance footage to make any sudden stops or turns while Gray was being transported.

Detective Michael Boyd spent several hours on the witness stand in Goodson's criminal trial reviewing footage from security cameras that showed Goodson driving the van through West Baltimore while Gray was in the back of the vehicle. Goodson's attorney asked if the video evidence showed the van making any “abrupt stops, starts or turns.”

Boyd's testimony came in the fourth day of Goodson's trial in Baltimore City Circuit Court. Prosecutors are continuing to call witnesses in attempts to show that Goodson drove carelessly as Gray, wearing hand and leg shackles but no seat belt, bounced around in the back of the van and suffered a fatal neck injury because he was unable to brace himself.

Goodson’s attorneys have countered that there is no evidence of a “rough ride” and that officers rarely buckled detainees traveling in the back of police wagons.

Pretty wild that people's necks just break like that then. I better watch out

i think it was broken before he got in the van. when they carry him to the van ihs legs are lifeless.

Yeah, but he looks back and ducks his head as he's getting in.

never noticed that. just always jumped out at me that how he barely moves as they carry him.

hard to say who should have been charged or convicted though since there doesn't seem to a consensus on when and how he was injured.

Don't disagree, not an easy situation but the dude's spine was somehow severed and it seems like it was between the time he was put in the van and taken out...

HesCalledDyer

*Injustice

mace1229

I don't disagree that there is a possibility that somewhere along the line someone is responsible. A possibility, doesn't even seem like the most probably possibility to me though.
But as pointed out, there lacks evidence, including video footage that doesn't support a rough ride. He wasnt alone in the van, the other guy in the van said Gray was trying to knock himself out. We all know right now the black community is coming together to make up lies to cover for the police, so let's not believe him. And no one thinks it's odd that a ride so roughi to kill one person, essentially left the other uninjured?
It seems like the biggest evidence I've seen against the police was "how else could it have happened?"

But what does seem obvious to me that the mayor and state attorney mishandled their duties and made comments with poor judgment that lead to riots and a possibility of an unfair trial-even though it didn't.

Degeneratefk

Charges have been dropped for the remaining cops in the gray case. Citing there isn't enough evidence.

Cliffy6745

Degeneratefk said:

Charges have been dropped for the remaining cops in the gray case. Citing there isn't enough evidence.

Is this just happening?

WTF on the timing? Couldn't wait 36 hours when there aren't already a shit load of protests going down in Philly

Degeneratefk

Cliffy6745 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Charges have been dropped for the remaining cops in the gray case. Citing there isn't enough evidence.

Is this just happening?

WTF on the timing? Couldn't wait 36 hours when there aren't already a shit load of protests going down in Philly

CNN just reported it.

PJ_Soul

Cliffy6745 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Charges have been dropped for the remaining cops in the gray case. Citing there isn't enough evidence.

Is this just happening?

WTF on the timing? Couldn't wait 36 hours when there aren't already a shit load of protests going down in Philly

Yeah, no shit. CNN is just doing its job. The... DA?? Lol, whoever dropped the charges probably should have waited until the DNC was over, just to be safe... unless they had a point to make, which is entirely possible.

lukin2006

Why did the DA have to wait ... the cop charged deserved to know asap that the case was being dropped...some of you take politics take to seriously if you think a DA doing his job should wait 2-3 days to formally drop charges.

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Degeneratefk said:

Charges have been dropped for the remaining cops in the gray case. Citing there isn't enough evidence.

Is this just happening?

WTF on the timing? Couldn't wait 36 hours when there aren't already a shit load of protests going down in Philly

Yeah, no shit. CNN is just doing its job. The... DA?? Lol, whoever dropped the charges probably should have waited until the DNC was over, just to be safe... unless they had a point to make, which is entirely possible.

If there isn't enough evidence, why wait for any reason to drop the charges? To not drop charges because of a political conference would be so wrong.