BLM a terrorist organization??

Jason P

BLM is a victim organization. They have convinced a large number of people that they are victims.

Go Beavers

Jason P said:

BLM is a victim organization. They have convinced a large number of people that they are victims.

So the bias and prejudice in the legal system from the cops on up never has happened, it's been planted in their brains by blm?

pjhawks

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

BLM is a victim organization. They have convinced a large number of people that they are victims.

So the bias and prejudice in the legal system from the cops on up never has happened, it's been planted in their brains by blm?

BLM is like Occupy Wall Street. A nice slogan with zero leadership or organization at this point.

rgambs

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

BLM is a victim organization. They have convinced a large number of people that they are victims.

So the bias and prejudice in the legal system from the cops on up never has happened, it's been planted in their brains by blm?

BLM is like Occupy Wall Street. A nice slogan with zero leadership or organization at this point.

That's for sure!

JC29856

mace1229 said:

JC29856 said:

Can anyone provide a list of leadership or hierarchy structure in the BLM terrorist organization or BLM organized crime mob?

They behave more like mob mentality than organized crime. And by they I refer to the ones creating chaos in the streets.

Who's they? How many members are in this organization?

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills, your first paragraph outlines the prejudice, and your second one makes excuses to maintain a certain status quo, and your third one is taking away from the topic at hand, which is police abuse by way of prejudice. Taking the thought of how blacks are arrested for crimes at a higher rate is the root of the prejudice belief that blacks are more prone to violence and crime. This belief is the main starting point for police abusing their power. Under stress, this belief will be more likely to surface and change behaviors, e.g. a white person reaching into their jacket is getting their I.D., and black person reaching into their jacket is getting their gun. The fact that there is no correlation between crime rates in urban areas vs. the rate unarmed blacks get shot by cops reveals that some police departments do a good job with hiring and training in this area so that the individual is more aware of how to not let prejudice factor into the interactions, and other do a bad job in this area and let it fester and grow. Police discrimination is not just an urban issue. It happens in smaller towns and rural areas as well. The black guy on my street is no more prone to illegal behavior than I am, but people think that he is.

No.

I could comment about much of this, but I'll try and limit myself to your claim that my second paragraph is an excuse to maintain the status quo. Give me a f**kibg break.

I spoke to it earlier: the impoverished will remain impoverished until the well offs (I believe I said you were one of these) are prepared to share (more taxes). I spoke to improving social programming in meaningful fashion so that there is hope for people born to poverty. Christ man... inner city kids don't even know what it's like to eat fresh food periodically (given the lack of markets vs fast food chains).

You speak to better training for law enforcement. Well pshew! Maybe... just maybe... that might result in fewer young black men getting shot when they didn't need to be. It doesn't fix the bigger problem though.

Of course, the aforementioned means very little if you are telling me- correctly so- that there is an equitable balance of whites and blacks in America's inner cities. I'm under the impression your country's worst neighbourhoods are reserved for your black population.

Get to the underlying issues and then the point of the problem disappears (in my mind).

Blacks, whites, purples... makes no difference given an equal playing field.

This made me think of a training that I went to a while back; "The Culture of Poverty". It's very hard for someone born into poverty to escape that culture. That's not to say that there are not those that are very successful at breaking the poverty strings that hold others down. It's the mindset of "My parents worked at McDonalds, so I am going to work there too". Not only that, but many families that see a family member becoming successful will intentionally or unintentionally try to sabotage that success based on the fear of being left behind or not being important to that successful person anymore. This may manifest by guilting the successful person for leaving their "values" or heritage behind or by them "disowning" them because they have different financial, moral, or world views. It's not as simple as giving them more money. Escaping poverty often requires individuals to "divorce" those irresponsible people that keep trying to drag them back in...which can be pretty difficult when the underlying relationships are nurturing or loving ones. This can be seen in inner-city neighborhoods, rural low income farming communities, 3rd world countries... When approaching and educating impoverished communities, you must keep in the back of your mind that plenty of them have no interest in change because change=inconsistency, and consistency to an impoverished person is like gold. After school programs that take children beyond the confides of their known worlds are helpful, but there is no switch that you can flick to make a person want to leave loved ones behind, even if those loved ones are sucking the life blood out of them. To change a culture, you must disrupt it. How can these cultures be disrupted to the point that drives people to decide to say "fuck this place, I'm finding something better" in a non-violent, humane way?
Maybe BLM should put their effort into these things instead of standing out in the middle of highways and enticing riots...although burning down these communities may actually be a pretty effective strategy...I kid, I kid.

Are you saying that cops would stop shooting unarmed blacks and respect their rights if they would break the cycle of poverty?

I'm saying that the cops are not the main ones killing unarmed blacks. Are you saying that BLM blocking roadways and burning towns is going to stop cops shooting unarmed black people and respect their rights?

Go Beavers

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills, your first paragraph outlines the prejudice, and your second one makes excuses to maintain a certain status quo, and your third one is taking away from the topic at hand, which is police abuse by way of prejudice. Taking the thought of how blacks are arrested for crimes at a higher rate is the root of the prejudice belief that blacks are more prone to violence and crime. This belief is the main starting point for police abusing their power. Under stress, this belief will be more likely to surface and change behaviors, e.g. a white person reaching into their jacket is getting their I.D., and black person reaching into their jacket is getting their gun. The fact that there is no correlation between crime rates in urban areas vs. the rate unarmed blacks get shot by cops reveals that some police departments do a good job with hiring and training in this area so that the individual is more aware of how to not let prejudice factor into the interactions, and other do a bad job in this area and let it fester and grow. Police discrimination is not just an urban issue. It happens in smaller towns and rural areas as well. The black guy on my street is no more prone to illegal behavior than I am, but people think that he is.

No.

I could comment about much of this, but I'll try and limit myself to your claim that my second paragraph is an excuse to maintain the status quo. Give me a f**kibg break.

I spoke to it earlier: the impoverished will remain impoverished until the well offs (I believe I said you were one of these) are prepared to share (more taxes). I spoke to improving social programming in meaningful fashion so that there is hope for people born to poverty. Christ man... inner city kids don't even know what it's like to eat fresh food periodically (given the lack of markets vs fast food chains).

You speak to better training for law enforcement. Well pshew! Maybe... just maybe... that might result in fewer young black men getting shot when they didn't need to be. It doesn't fix the bigger problem though.

Of course, the aforementioned means very little if you are telling me- correctly so- that there is an equitable balance of whites and blacks in America's inner cities. I'm under the impression your country's worst neighbourhoods are reserved for your black population.

Get to the underlying issues and then the point of the problem disappears (in my mind).

Blacks, whites, purples... makes no difference given an equal playing field.

This made me think of a training that I went to a while back; "The Culture of Poverty". It's very hard for someone born into poverty to escape that culture. That's not to say that there are not those that are very successful at breaking the poverty strings that hold others down. It's the mindset of "My parents worked at McDonalds, so I am going to work there too". Not only that, but many families that see a family member becoming successful will intentionally or unintentionally try to sabotage that success based on the fear of being left behind or not being important to that successful person anymore. This may manifest by guilting the successful person for leaving their "values" or heritage behind or by them "disowning" them because they have different financial, moral, or world views. It's not as simple as giving them more money. Escaping poverty often requires individuals to "divorce" those irresponsible people that keep trying to drag them back in...which can be pretty difficult when the underlying relationships are nurturing or loving ones. This can be seen in inner-city neighborhoods, rural low income farming communities, 3rd world countries... When approaching and educating impoverished communities, you must keep in the back of your mind that plenty of them have no interest in change because change=inconsistency, and consistency to an impoverished person is like gold. After school programs that take children beyond the confides of their known worlds are helpful, but there is no switch that you can flick to make a person want to leave loved ones behind, even if those loved ones are sucking the life blood out of them. To change a culture, you must disrupt it. How can these cultures be disrupted to the point that drives people to decide to say "fuck this place, I'm finding something better" in a non-violent, humane way?
Maybe BLM should put their effort into these things instead of standing out in the middle of highways and enticing riots...although burning down these communities may actually be a pretty effective strategy...I kid, I kid.

Are you saying that cops would stop shooting unarmed blacks and respect their rights if they would break the cycle of poverty?

I'm saying that the cops are not the main ones killing unarmed blacks. Are you saying that BLM blocking roadways and burning towns is going to stop cops shooting unarmed black people and respect their rights?

It can initiate change within particular police departments, similar to how other departments have changed.

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills, your first paragraph outlines the prejudice, and your second one makes excuses to maintain a certain status quo, and your third one is taking away from the topic at hand, which is police abuse by way of prejudice. Taking the thought of how blacks are arrested for crimes at a higher rate is the root of the prejudice belief that blacks are more prone to violence and crime. This belief is the main starting point for police abusing their power. Under stress, this belief will be more likely to surface and change behaviors, e.g. a white person reaching into their jacket is getting their I.D., and black person reaching into their jacket is getting their gun. The fact that there is no correlation between crime rates in urban areas vs. the rate unarmed blacks get shot by cops reveals that some police departments do a good job with hiring and training in this area so that the individual is more aware of how to not let prejudice factor into the interactions, and other do a bad job in this area and let it fester and grow. Police discrimination is not just an urban issue. It happens in smaller towns and rural areas as well. The black guy on my street is no more prone to illegal behavior than I am, but people think that he is.

No.

I could comment about much of this, but I'll try and limit myself to your claim that my second paragraph is an excuse to maintain the status quo. Give me a f**kibg break.

I spoke to it earlier: the impoverished will remain impoverished until the well offs (I believe I said you were one of these) are prepared to share (more taxes). I spoke to improving social programming in meaningful fashion so that there is hope for people born to poverty. Christ man... inner city kids don't even know what it's like to eat fresh food periodically (given the lack of markets vs fast food chains).

You speak to better training for law enforcement. Well pshew! Maybe... just maybe... that might result in fewer young black men getting shot when they didn't need to be. It doesn't fix the bigger problem though.

Of course, the aforementioned means very little if you are telling me- correctly so- that there is an equitable balance of whites and blacks in America's inner cities. I'm under the impression your country's worst neighbourhoods are reserved for your black population.

Get to the underlying issues and then the point of the problem disappears (in my mind).

Blacks, whites, purples... makes no difference given an equal playing field.

This made me think of a training that I went to a while back; "The Culture of Poverty". It's very hard for someone born into poverty to escape that culture. That's not to say that there are not those that are very successful at breaking the poverty strings that hold others down. It's the mindset of "My parents worked at McDonalds, so I am going to work there too". Not only that, but many families that see a family member becoming successful will intentionally or unintentionally try to sabotage that success based on the fear of being left behind or not being important to that successful person anymore. This may manifest by guilting the successful person for leaving their "values" or heritage behind or by them "disowning" them because they have different financial, moral, or world views. It's not as simple as giving them more money. Escaping poverty often requires individuals to "divorce" those irresponsible people that keep trying to drag them back in...which can be pretty difficult when the underlying relationships are nurturing or loving ones. This can be seen in inner-city neighborhoods, rural low income farming communities, 3rd world countries... When approaching and educating impoverished communities, you must keep in the back of your mind that plenty of them have no interest in change because change=inconsistency, and consistency to an impoverished person is like gold. After school programs that take children beyond the confides of their known worlds are helpful, but there is no switch that you can flick to make a person want to leave loved ones behind, even if those loved ones are sucking the life blood out of them. To change a culture, you must disrupt it. How can these cultures be disrupted to the point that drives people to decide to say "fuck this place, I'm finding something better" in a non-violent, humane way?
Maybe BLM should put their effort into these things instead of standing out in the middle of highways and enticing riots...although burning down these communities may actually be a pretty effective strategy...I kid, I kid.

Are you saying that cops would stop shooting unarmed blacks and respect their rights if they would break the cycle of poverty?

I'm saying that the cops are not the main ones killing unarmed blacks. Are you saying that BLM blocking roadways and burning towns is going to stop cops shooting unarmed black people and respect their rights?

It can initiate change within particular police departments, similar to how other departments have changed.

Such as them refusing to patrol black neighborhoods because of the fear of their own personal safety? The lawlessness and violence perpetuated by some of the ones claiming to be BLM members seems counterproductive in terms of racism and the criminal acts do nothing but validate the stereotypes of those that are already biases. There doesn't seem to be very good leadership or organization within the group.

mace1229

JC29856 said:

mace1229 said:

JC29856 said:

Can anyone provide a list of leadership or hierarchy structure in the BLM terrorist organization or BLM organized crime mob?

They behave more like mob mentality than organized crime. And by they I refer to the ones creating chaos in the streets.

Who's they? How many members are in this organization?

I said "And by "they" I refer to the ones creating chaos in the streets."
Meaning the ones out rioting and looting.

And a mob is not an organization. Again, referring to the ones out rioting and looting as I mentioned.

Bentleyspop

JC29856 said:

mace1229 said:

JC29856 said:

Can anyone provide a list of leadership or hierarchy structure in the BLM terrorist organization or BLM organized crime mob?

They behave more like mob mentality than organized crime. And by they I refer to the ones creating chaos in the streets.

Who's they? How many members are in this organization?

You know..."those people"

seanwon

PJPOWER said:

The lawlessness and violence perpetuated by some of the ones claiming to be BLM members seems counterproductive in terms of racism and the criminal acts do nothing but validate the stereotypes of those that are already biases. There doesn't seem to be very good leadership or organization within the group.

I completely agree that these riots and looting damage the legitimate cause of #BLM, if not outright negating it. However, it does not "validate" peoples stereotypes and biases. It REINFORCES those beliefs, not validates them. Trust me, there are still more black people who are not criminals and are productive members of society than there are rioters, looters and pillagers!

PJPOWER

seanwon said:

PJPOWER said:

The lawlessness and violence perpetuated by some of the ones claiming to be BLM members seems counterproductive in terms of racism and the criminal acts do nothing but validate the stereotypes of those that are already biases. There doesn't seem to be very good leadership or organization within the group.

I completely agree that these riots and looting damage the legitimate cause of #BLM, if not outright negating it. However, it does not "validate" peoples stereotypes and biases. It REINFORCES those beliefs, not validates them. Trust me, there are still more black people who are not criminals and are productive members of society than there are rioters, looters and pillagers!

To the ones who already believe the stereotypes, it does. Those people are hungry for reasons backing what they have been taught for generations. Although If BLM wants to be legit, non-violent protesters, they have to reign in the arson and looting at their sponsored protests...
But you're right, to all the rest of the ones that vote... it "reinforces" them...which is also a negative consequence of the fires and free electronics...

PJPOWER

Duplicate post again, wtf

PJPOWER

Double post

JC29856

Anyone know how many BLM protests there have been in 2 years? And how many had looting or rioting or arson?

PJPOWER

JC29856 said:

Anyone know how many BLM protests there have been in 2 years? And how many had looting or rioting or arson?

Is that excluding the ones under, let's say, 20 people?

PJPOWER

This about sums things up.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=51f_1474633969

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

This about sums things up.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=51f_1474633969

There's much truth in this piece that some on here simply will not accept.

There's definitely a societal problem, but these riots are merely excuses to act like f**king idiots- thugs is the more appropriate term, but I didn't want to use it lest some MT members spit their chai latte all over their trimmed beard and fashionable clothing which they have managed to buy with their privileged spot in society.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

This about sums things up.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=51f_1474633969

There's much truth in this piece that some on here simply will not accept.

There's definitely a societal problem, but these riots are merely excuses to act like f**king idiots- thugs is the more appropriate term, but I didn't want to use it lest some MT members spit their chai latte all over their trimmed beard and fashionable clothing which they have managed to buy with their privileged spot in society.

Lol, you left out man-buns! All humor asside, I fully agree!

Stickman12

PJPOWER said:

This about sums things up.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=51f_1474633969

Spot on