No Code and Yield - 24bit Versions Now Available - Update: 192kHz/24bit files coming 8/5 (9/2 now?)

AAJC

Both 'No Code' and 'Yield" are available now as 24bit (44.1kHz) versions over at Pono. These are only appearing in the Canadian store at Pono, not the US yet. Hoping to pick these up soon and hear them in high-res for the first time. Will report back.

UPDATE: Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5 (9/2 now?). The 44.1/24 were pushed early by mistake. Can't wait!!!

demetrios

YES!!!! But 44.1kHz quality?

MedozK

OG Vinyl Rips for me. With all new "Hi Res" stuff distributors should have to divulge the lineage.

buck502000

these are probably the files used for the upcoming repress/re-issue

demetrios

https://www.ponomusic.com/album/pearl-jam-no-code/of:251610f9825c402cb6c690e980b90d2b


https://www.ponomusic.com/album/pearl-jam-yield/of:4168a444f07c46dfb530877369096a48

AAJC

demetrios said:

YES!!!! But 44.1kHz quality?

I'll take it for now. While yes it could be 96kHz, like 'Vitalogy' and 'Vs' are (in the US store), this make me much more excited given they're my fav albums.

MedozK

buck502000 said:

these are probably the files used for the upcoming repress/re-issue

Yea, would't that be a kick in the nuts...Vinyl cut from 24/44.1

buck502000

MedozK said:

buck502000 said:

these are probably the files used for the upcoming repress/re-issue

Yea, would't that be a kick in the nuts...Vinyl cut from 24/44.1

They said the repress was, "mastered for vinyl" so maybe we still have hope

2-feign-reluctance

MedozK said:

buck502000 said:

these are probably the files used for the upcoming repress/re-issue

Yea, would't that be a kick in the nuts...Vinyl cut from 24/44.1

Ugh.

demetrios

Surprised these haven't shown up yet on Pono's USA store or any other site like HDTracks.com

AAJC

demetrios said:

Surprised these haven't shown up yet on Pono's USA store or any other site like HDTracks.com

Agreed. I bought them from Pono. Here's the DR values for the 24 bit and original 16 bit. Bit (no pun intended there. haha) of an assumption on my part, but perhaps it's a new remaster? I tell ya, they sound great whatever they are.

No Code (Pono 24 bit): 9, 5, 7, 6, 7, 9, 5, 5, 7, 8, 6, 8, 8
No Code (CD 16 bit): 9, 5, 7, 7, 7, 10, 5, 6, 7, 9, 7, 8, 8

Yield (Pono 24 bit): 6, 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 6, 9, 6, 8, 7, 7, 7
Yield (CD 16 bit): 7, 7, 8, 7, 8, 7, 7, 9, 7, 9, 7, 7, 8

MedozK

AAJC said:

demetrios said:

Surprised these haven't shown up yet on Pono's USA store or any other site like HDTracks.com

Agreed. I bought them from Pono. Here's the DR values for the 24 bit and original 16 bit. Bit (no pun intended there. haha) of an assumption on my part, but perhaps it's a new remaster? I tell ya, they sound great whatever they are.

No Code (Pono 24 bit): 9, 5, 7, 6, 7, 9, 5, 5, 7, 8, 6, 8, 8
No Code (CD 16 bit): 9, 5, 7, 7, 7, 10, 5, 6, 7, 9, 7, 8, 8

Yield (Pono 24 bit): 6, 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 6, 9, 6, 8, 7, 7, 7
Yield (CD 16 bit): 7, 7, 8, 7, 8, 7, 7, 9, 7, 9, 7, 7, 8

Hard for me to call single digit DR#s great, but I guess its Rock so no one cares.

I did just check my DR#s for my original US vinyl rips (24bit-96kHz):
No Code
DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -2.91 dB -17.36 dB 2:42 01-Sometimes
DR9 -0.70 dB -11.46 dB 3:42 02-Hail, Hail
DR10 -2.00 dB -13.87 dB 3:50 03-Who You Are
DR10 -1.70 dB -13.65 dB 4:00 04-In My Tree
DR9 -2.36 dB -13.81 dB 3:52 05-Smile
DR12 -2.47 dB -17.81 dB 5:59 06-Off He Goes
DR9 -1.77 dB -11.98 dB 3:37 07-Habit
DR9 -2.53 dB -13.12 dB 4:03 08-Red Mosquito
DR10 -2.79 dB -14.62 dB 1:03 09-Lukin
DR11 -3.19 dB -19.31 dB 5:46 10-Present Tense
DR10 -2.84 dB -13.85 dB 3:29 11-Mankind
DR9 -3.90 dB -16.22 dB 2:57 12-I'm Open
DR10 -3.15 dB -15.81 dB 4:36 13-Around The Bend

and Yield
DR Peak RMS Duration Track
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DR10 -1.32 dB -13.10 dB 2:59 01-Brain Of J.
DR10 -1.65 dB -15.42 dB 4:17 02-Faithfull
DR12 -0.70 dB -15.51 dB 4:18 03-No Way
DR11 -1.08 dB -15.26 dB 3:59 04-Given To Fly
DR11 -2.18 dB -16.77 dB 3:25 05-Wishlist
DR11 -1.89 dB -16.22 dB 2:55 06-Pilate
DR10 -1.30 dB -14.15 dB 3:52 07-Do The Evolution
DR12 -2.25 dB -16.98 dB 1:08 08-· (Red Dot)
DR11 -1.45 dB -14.19 dB 2:27 09-MFC
DR12 -1.88 dB -16.19 dB 3:45 10-Low Light
DR11 -1.59 dB -15.30 dB 4:58 11-In Hiding
DR10 -2.19 dB -14.95 dB 2:27 12-Push Me, Pull Me
DR11 -0.70 dB -16.40 dB 4:01 13-All Those Yesterdays

Yield is much better, but the vinyl No Code still has some clipping too.

my2hands

I like how people use numbers now to determine what sounds good... computer programs telling us the dynamic range of songs, which is essentially the difference between the lowest and highest sound correct? Is that truly an accurate indicator of good sound quality? I see it as measuring how high and low a recording gets, which I understand is important, but dosent really quantify actual sound quality?

I like the good old fashioned ear test

my2hands

AAJC said:

demetrios said:

Surprised these haven't shown up yet on Pono's USA store or any other site like HDTracks.com

Agreed. I bought them from Pono. Here's the DR values for the 24 bit and original 16 bit. Bit (no pun intended there. haha) of an assumption on my part, but perhaps it's a new remaster? I tell ya, they sound great whatever they are.

No Code (Pono 24 bit): 9, 5, 7, 6, 7, 9, 5, 5, 7, 8, 6, 8, 8
No Code (CD 16 bit): 9, 5, 7, 7, 7, 10, 5, 6, 7, 9, 7, 8, 8

Yield (Pono 24 bit): 6, 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 6, 9, 6, 8, 7, 7, 7
Yield (CD 16 bit): 7, 7, 8, 7, 8, 7, 7, 9, 7, 9, 7, 7, 8

So it looks like the CD sounds better? If so why should people buy the digital file? Seems like a waste of $

buck502000

The Yield CD is a great sounding CD - they did that one right!!!!

MedozK

my2hands said:

I like how people use numbers now to determine what sounds good... computer programs telling us the dynamic range of songs, which is essentially the difference between the lowest and highest sound correct? Is that truly an accurate indicator of good sound quality? I see it as measuring how high and low a recording gets, which I understand is important, but dosent really quantify actual sound quality?

I like the good old fashioned ear test

I like the "good old fashioned ear test" also, but if you A/B two recordings and like one over the other and then check the DR... 9.9 times outta 10 you have chosen the one with the higher DR.

I use the DR#s to give me an idea of the "air" and "separation" of a recording. Low numbers to me show compression and fatiguing "loudness".

my2hands said:

So it looks like the CD sounds better? If so why should people buy the digital file? Seems like a waste of $

I don't think you should without mastering and lineage details. I think most 24bit files are a placebo, users think they sound better because..its "24bit"

But it really comes down to what you enjoy. Buy what you want.

AAJC

my2hands said:

I like how people use numbers now to determine what sounds good... computer programs telling us the dynamic range of songs, which is essentially the difference between the lowest and highest sound correct? Is that truly an accurate indicator of good sound quality? I see it as measuring how high and low a recording gets, which I understand is important, but dosent really quantify actual sound quality?

I like the good old fashioned ear test

I never use DR numbers to tell me whether to buy an album or not and/or whether it's a good album or not. But when I'm like "man, that sounds crazy terrible!" I go and have a look and what do you know, some mastering engineer ruined the dynamic range by compressing the album way too much. Here's a good visual of what's involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB7W5Gin9v0#action=share

Anyway, everyone has a different reason for analyzing their audio or finding the DR values. All this thread was for was providing some information on "new" 24bit versions of two of the best Pearl Jam albums and providing some data behind the CD vs the 24bit versions to see if there was a difference or not. No need to get into what you or I should do or not do. Whatever makes you happy. Enjoy... or don't.

AC

AAJC

I should note. For some reason the 24bit versions have been pulled from PonoMusic. Trying to find out why.

MedozK

AAJC said:

No need to get into what you or I should do or not do. Whatever makes you happy. Enjoy... or don't.
AC

Agree completely. But to all the Hi-Res vendors, "don't piss in a jar and call it granny's peach tea" I still think they should give us mastering details and lineage of the files. I hate buying blindly.

2-feign-reluctance

MedozK said:

AAJC said:

No need to get into what you or I should do or not do. Whatever makes you happy. Enjoy... or don't.
AC

Agree completely. But to all the Hi-Res vendors, "don't piss in a jar and call it granny's peach tea" I still think they should give us mastering details and lineage of the files. I hate buying blindly.

Or in my case, buying AGAIN without knowing is it superior to what I already own.

demetrios

AAJC said:

I should note. For some reason the 24bit versions have been pulled from PonoMusic. Trying to find out why.

Probably pulled from PonoMusic cause they were up so early. Should of been up in August when the vinyl reissues are released.

Though if there is a problem with the 24Bit Flac's let's just pray they put up better kHz Flacs up @ Pono. 96kHz or greater.

Was gonna buy them them but the fact they charge taxes and the currency in USA funds (on the Pono Canada store) turned me away from buying from the Pono store.

AAJC

MedozK said:

AAJC said:

No need to get into what you or I should do or not do. Whatever makes you happy. Enjoy... or don't.
AC

Agree completely. But to all the Hi-Res vendors, "don't piss in a jar and call it granny's peach tea" I still think they should give us mastering details and lineage of the files. I hate buying blindly.

Ya, I totally agree. I don't know why no one will give these details... well, I think I do, probably because if the details were out there people would see that (in some cases) they're not worth buying. It's too bad really. Would be nice to see some effort into getting really top quality recordings out there.

AAJC

demetrios said:

AAJC said:

I should note. For some reason the 24bit versions have been pulled from PonoMusic. Trying to find out why.

Probably pulled from PonoMusic cause they were up so early. Should of been up in August when the vinyl reissues are released.

Though if there is a problem with the 24Bit Flac's let's just pray they put up better kHz Flacs up @ Pono. 96kHz or greater.

Was gonna buy them them but the fact they charge taxes and the currency in USA funds (on the Pono Canada store) turned me away from buying from the Pono store.

I'm hoping for a higher resolution too. 44.1/24 is a bit sad, but if there is a 96kHz version coming I'll get a free upgrade for them (thanks to Pono).

Ya, the cost is high, especially for us Canadians.

my2hands

MedozK said:

AAJC said:

No need to get into what you or I should do or not do. Whatever makes you happy. Enjoy... or don't.
AC

Agree completely. But to all the Hi-Res vendors, "don't piss in a jar and call it granny's peach tea" I still think they should give us mastering details and lineage of the files. I hate buying blindly.

I agree with this... I usually don't buy any vinyl pressed after the 80's unless its specifically states some of these things... unless of course its PJ reissuing No Code & Yield lol

Spiritual_Chaos

MedozK said:

"don't piss in a jar and call it granny's peach tea"

AAJC

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

demetrios

AAJC said:

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

MedozK

demetrios said:

AAJC said:

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

I'm more like Michael in the image. Very reluctant till I hear it.

darthvedder

MedozK said:

demetrios said:

AAJC said:

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

I'm more like Michael in the image. Very reluctant till I hear it.

192 kHz is overkill. Waste of space.

AAJC

darthvedder said:

MedozK said:

demetrios said:

AAJC said:

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

I'm more like Michael in the image. Very reluctant till I hear it.

192 kHz is overkill. Waste of space.

Feel free to convert them to 96/24 when/if you get them.

darthvedder

AAJC said:

darthvedder said:

MedozK said:

demetrios said:

AAJC said:

Both albums will be out at 192kHz/24bit high-resolution on 8/5. Can't wait!!!

I'm more like Michael in the image. Very reluctant till I hear it.

192 kHz is overkill. Waste of space.

Feel free to convert them to 96/24 when/if you get them.

96 kHz is also a waste of space. Unless you're an animal that can hear frequencies as high as 48 kHz.