I said there's no trend of growing anti-intellectualism.
Yeah, I don't know. I seem to hear a lot of Conservatives attacking education in recent years. Telling people college is a waste of time because the professors are all "commies", and they are teaching all our kids to be "Socialists". I don't recall hearing that talk 10 years ago, it seems to be a somewhat recent thing.
I'm a recent college grad and have been talked down to in political discussion for the fact that I graduated college. I went to school for engineering, yet some people still insist that my political views all came from my liberal hippy socialist professors..
My mother-in-law had this view about 12-13 years ago when I was pregnant with my son. She is one who thought, at the time, that they're all coming out of college liberals. All three of her kids never went to college--well, my husband, but not all the way. And now, him and I are the only 2 independent/ democratic ones on his side of the family--except for her husband, lol--I love that about him--tenaciously holding onto that political view in the swarm of conservatives we're forced to swim with.
Anyway, she's lightened up a bit from when I first met her--not even sure if she listens to Rush Limbaugh as often, lol. She is definitely not a threatening Republican--mainly keeps her views to herself and family so I can't complain. But just recently her daughter put up a Trump sign in their yard :( And they talked about him being sooooo obnoxious when the 20 some Republicans first came out campaigning. None of their guys made it, so now they're stuck voting Trump. But what's crazy to me is why you would advertise for someone you're not completely on board with--that's how bad they want a Republican in there, how much they hate Hillary...and Bernie, and how threatened they feel that a Republican won't make it in this time.
To each his own. Even though this election seems rigged--let the best man win.
i am sorry. when someone has an article from a peer reviewed medical or science journal, it is scientific fact. you can't oppose scientific facts with opinions.
that is like all of these studies linking smoking to various forms of cancer and a group of people counter that by saying "the 100 of us have smoked 2 packs a day for 40 years and we don't have cancer." there may be truth in that population's experience, but you can't take that over the hundreds of thousands who have gotten terminal cancer and died from smoking.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The right doesn't let facts get in the way of their opinions.
that is the infuriating part.
somebody's hunch or somebody's narrative does not trump the findings and the work that scientists have devoted their lives to studying.
That's why I don't debate here as much as I used to or in real life even. It is infuriating using facts, logic and reason with people who are having none of it. I can only handle the 'well it's what I believe' argument for so long.
The right doesn't let facts get in the way of their opinions.
that is the infuriating part.
somebody's hunch or somebody's narrative does not trump the findings and the work that scientists have devoted their lives to studying.
That's why I don't debate here as much as I used to or in real life even. It is infuriating using facts, logic and reason with people who are having none of it. I can only handle the 'well it's what I believe' argument for so long.
The right doesn't let facts get in the way of their opinions.
that is the infuriating part.
somebody's hunch or somebody's narrative does not trump the findings and the work that scientists have devoted their lives to studying.
That's why I don't debate here as much as I used to or in real life even. It is infuriating using facts, logic and reason with people who are having none of it. I can only handle the 'well it's what I believe' argument for so long.
You and me both.
I don't believe you guys that's just your opinion on things. Peoples beliefs can be etched with facts they know longer should have to present. Like for instance the earth is flat.
That's pretty pathetic...wonder who the majority of them are voting for!?!?
Well if your country is that chalk and block full of dumb people that you say it is and they all vote then Trump is your next POTUS.
Fortunately many of the "dumb people" sit around eating french fries and watching The View (or really any television for that matter) to have the spare time to read a history book or get to the voting booth. Most of those in that street interview probably don't even know where or how to vote.
That's pretty pathetic...wonder who the majority of them are voting for!?!?
Well if your country is that chalk and block full of dumb people that you say it is and they all vote then Trump is your next POTUS.
Fortunately many of the "dumb people" sit around eating french fries and watching The View (or really any television for that matter) to have the spare time to read a history book or get to the voting booth. Most of those in that street interview probably don't even know where or how to vote.
That's probably mostly true but Trump will find a way to reach them. Commercials during those shows etc. He might even start selling Trump frozen fries with advertising on the package where to vote.
That's pretty pathetic...wonder who the majority of them are voting for!?!?
Well if your country is that chalk and block full of dumb people that you say it is and they all vote then Trump is your next POTUS.
Fortunately many of the "dumb people" sit around eating french fries and watching The View (or really any television for that matter) to have the spare time to read a history book or get to the voting booth. Most of those in that street interview probably don't even know where or how to vote.
That's probably mostly true but Trump will find a way to reach them. Commercials during those shows etc. He might even start selling Trump frozen fries with advertising on the package where to vote.
since the discussion has turned to voting, i have noticed another irritating trend.
people standing in line to vote are more concerned with taking and posting the perfect selfie of them standing in the voting line than they are concerned about doing their civic duty.
i saw it in american primaries. it happened in the brexit vote.
in one of the pj facebook groups, someone took a picture of their california primary ballot. she had not voted for any of the candidates. rather, she wrote in "eddie vedder". people in that group lampooned her for it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's pretty pathetic...wonder who the majority of them are voting for!?!?
Well if your country is that chalk and block full of dumb people that you say it is and they all vote then Trump is your next POTUS.
Fortunately many of the "dumb people" sit around eating french fries and watching The View (or really any television for that matter) to have the spare time to read a history book or get to the voting booth. Most of those in that street interview probably don't even know where or how to vote.
That's probably mostly true but Trump will find a way to reach them. Commercials during those shows etc. He might even start selling Trump frozen fries with advertising on the package where to vote.
Unfortunate they are a pretty large demographic that both liberals and conservatives have to create strategies to appeal to them (free shit for everyone being a great one from the left, "der takin our jobs" being a great one from the right). I feel that the narrow minded are usually found in the extreme rights or lefts and everyone else is left voting for candidates we deam as the least destructive...yay
Have you attended a University lately? I went back to college at the age of 34 (im 37 now) and its liberalism brainwashing left and right with it being shoved down your throat 24/7 and any opposing view is mocked and shut down even someone my age who was obviously older than the average attendee. I'm an open minded person and was thrown back how true this actually was because I didn't even believe it.
Bullshit. Yes, and I even took a politics course when I was in college. And to this day I still don't know the Professors political affiliation. All opinions were discussed equally, no ones views were mocked, nothing was shoved down anybody's throats. And in the non-political classes I took, no politics were mentioned whatsoever. The subject matter of the courses I took were discussed.
To do what? I don't want the street smart only guy giving me open heart surgery...
Then again, why limit yourself to one? Be both..
I agree, I consider myself well rounded in terms of common sense/street smarts and book smarts. I'm just saying that of those people who only seem to possess one or the other, the book smart people seem more inept at everyday life than people who are just street smart. At least in my experiences.
Have you attended a University lately? I went back to college at the age of 34 (im 37 now) and its liberalism brainwashing left and right with it being shoved down your throat 24/7 and any opposing view is mocked and shut down even someone my age who was obviously older than the average attendee. I'm an open minded person and was thrown back how true this actually was because I didn't even believe it.
Bullshit. Yes, and I even took a politics course when I was in college. And to this day I still don't know the Professors political affiliation. All opinions were discussed equally, no ones views were mocked, nothing was shoved down anybody's throats. And in the non-political classes I took, no politics were mentioned whatsoever. The subject matter of the courses I took were discussed.
I've taken college courses in five different colleges and rarely if ever had a sense that anything was being shoved down my throat and certainly never experienced any "liberalism brainwashing".
It's certainly true that there are colleges out there less qualified to offer quality education and very true that there are instructors/teachers/professors who are under-qualified in terms of offering quality instruction but a little research into schools goes a long way and once enrolled, in most schools there are opportunities to find classes/professors who offer classes worth your money. And of course it is also wise for a student to think critically while taking courses.
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i always preferred my college professors that breathed through their mouths, dragged their knuckles on the ground, carried giant clubs for emphasizing their point, and railed against the dangers of political correctness via a series of grunts.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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i always preferred my college professors that breathed through their mouths, dragged their knuckles on the ground, carried giant clubs for emphasizing their point, and railed against the dangers of political correctness via a series of grunts.
I'm for all voices and views having equal time to make themselves heard. We are all in that, together, and I am thankful for it. The freedom to speak your mind trumps your mind. Or maybe equals it.
Common sense, thinking! Step No. 1.
After that, it's on each of us to inform ourselves best we can. Do-over's aren't often an option.
Opinion vs Science does not deserve equal time. Should we still have debates that give equal time to the earth being flat, illness is caused by bad evil sprits or the stars are pin holes in the sky so we can see heaven?
I'd say opinion borne of experience is quite valid...valued? By some, I guess.
Because I give credence to one aspect doesn't mean I don't extend the same to the other.
Wish it were so black and white, but it simply isn't.
Understood.. I guess it depends on the subject and the opinion. I was comparing real measurable science to pseudo science bought by corporations to confuse people.. i.e. fracking isn't bad for ground water because the Koch Bros commissioned a report saying so.. big tobacco companies had plenty of "Science" saying cigs were good for you... we all know better now.. Denying Science is not a new phenomenon used by corporations and religions.
I recently saw a short video clip of a girl - looked to be high school upperclass or a college student - talking about how Miss District of Columbia shouldn't be allowed to participate in the Miss America contest because "Columbia is a different country." Her (I assume) brother, who is taping her, then promptly tells her that the District of Columbia is Washington, DC. The look of shock on her face was like telling someone they just won a million dollars.
And as if that wasn't bad enough.. I started reading the comments on the video. I would almost venture to say 90% of the comments were people saying "I didn't know that either." Some even raised the question "Why don't they teach us this in school?"
I knew what DC was before I even started kindergarten. What the fuck is going on in our education system???!!!
It will only get worse as more and more people won't find jobs due to technology and have nothing to do.
This is an unfortunate reality for those who are uneducated, and lacking the means to become educated. This is why affordable education is paramount to the development of a nation. China and Cuba have recognized it, along with throngs of other countries.
As an aside, there's a myth that only low-level workers and button-pushers can become redundant due to automations: this is absolutely untrue. AI advances are reaching a point where cogent thought (or the approximation of cogent thought) will be a reality in my lifetime, and we would all be wise to learn how to harness the power of thinking robots in our organizations. This will be a technology-catalyzed economic restructuring, and puts extra importance on raising the education level of the developed world's poorest and least educated, so that they can learn how to be strong operators (or programmers) of automatons.
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People not knowing basic things isn't new, but what has changed is our expectation around what they should know.
Perhaps, although I don't think university students have traditionally been the people who don't know basic shit like that. If we were talking about uneducated people not knowing shit like who the VP is or who won the Civil War, or even who the two sides were in the Civil War... well, I would still wonder if they live under a rock and don't own a TV, and would suggest they consider reading a fucking book once in a while, but at least it would be slightly more understandable. I guess.... Actually, not really, never mind.
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I don't have the link but saw a video recently in which college students were asked basic questions about US history and many could not answer them (who defeated whom in our civil war, from what country did we gain our independence, etc.) but when asked about TV show personalities the same "students" knew the answers immediately. COLLEGE STUDENTS!
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And the fact that only 74 percent of participants knew that the Earth revolved around the sun is perhaps less alarming than the fact that only 48 percent knew that humans evolved from earlier species of animals.
Here’s the thing, though: Americans actually fared better than Europeans who took similar quizzes — at least when it came to the sun and Earth question. Only 66 percent of European Union residents answered that one correctly.
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Anyway, she's lightened up a bit from when I first met her--not even sure if she listens to Rush Limbaugh as often, lol. She is definitely not a threatening Republican--mainly keeps her views to herself and family so I can't complain. But just recently her daughter put up a Trump sign in their yard :( And they talked about him being sooooo obnoxious when the 20 some Republicans first came out campaigning. None of their guys made it, so now they're stuck voting Trump. But what's crazy to me is why you would advertise for someone you're not completely on board with--that's how bad they want a Republican in there, how much they hate Hillary...and Bernie, and how threatened they feel that a Republican won't make it in this time.
To each his own. Even though this election seems rigged--let the best man win.
that is like all of these studies linking smoking to various forms of cancer and a group of people counter that by saying "the 100 of us have smoked 2 packs a day for 40 years and we don't have cancer." there may be truth in that population's experience, but you can't take that over the hundreds of thousands who have gotten terminal cancer and died from smoking.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
somebody's hunch or somebody's narrative does not trump the findings and the work that scientists have devoted their lives to studying.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Peoples beliefs can be etched with facts they know longer should have to present.
Like for instance the earth is flat.
That's probably mostly true but Trump will find a way to reach them. Commercials during those shows etc. He might even start selling Trump frozen fries with advertising on the package where to vote.
people standing in line to vote are more concerned with taking and posting the perfect selfie of them standing in the voting line than they are concerned about doing their civic duty.
i saw it in american primaries. it happened in the brexit vote.
in one of the pj facebook groups, someone took a picture of their california primary ballot. she had not voted for any of the candidates. rather, she wrote in "eddie vedder". people in that group lampooned her for it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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It's certainly true that there are colleges out there less qualified to offer quality education and very true that there are instructors/teachers/professors who are under-qualified in terms of offering quality instruction but a little research into schools goes a long way and once enrolled, in most schools there are opportunities to find classes/professors who offer classes worth your money. And of course it is also wise for a student to think critically while taking courses.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
And as if that wasn't bad enough.. I started reading the comments on the video. I would almost venture to say 90% of the comments were people saying "I didn't know that either." Some even raised the question "Why don't they teach us this in school?"
I knew what DC was before I even started kindergarten. What the fuck is going on in our education system???!!!
As an aside, there's a myth that only low-level workers and button-pushers can become redundant due to automations: this is absolutely untrue. AI advances are reaching a point where cogent thought (or the approximation of cogent thought) will be a reality in my lifetime, and we would all be wise to learn how to harness the power of thinking robots in our organizations. This will be a technology-catalyzed economic restructuring, and puts extra importance on raising the education level of the developed world's poorest and least educated, so that they can learn how to be strong operators (or programmers) of automatons.
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"