some msg setlist facts

mcgruff10

Since the set lists from the past msg shows have been heavily discussed I did some research on the prior 8 shows. I'm sure I messed up so let me know.

9/10/98 and 9/11/98 (in support of yield)
9/10/98 23 songs 9/11/98 26 songs
49 songs total 36 different songs
13 repeats
repeats: corduroy, brain of j, given to fly, animal, daughter, even flow, better man, do the evolution, alive, wishlist, rvm, hail hail, black,

7/8/03 and 7/9/03 (in support of Riot Act)
night one: 30 songs night two: 30 songs
60 total songs 54 different songs
six repeats
repeats: save you, even flow, I am mine, do the evolution, crazy mary, yellow ledbetter

6/24/08 msg and 6/25/08 (no supporting album)
night one: 30 songs night two: 29 songs
59 total songs. 50 different songs total.
9 repeats.
repeated songs: why go, all night, corduroy, given to fly, who you are, even flow, do the evolution, no more, i believe in miracles, alive

5/20/10 and 5/21/10 (supporting Backspacer)
5/20/10: 33 songs 5/21/10: 34 songs
67 songs total 60 different songs
7 repeats.
repeat songs: the fixer, unthought known, dte, the end, lukin (same lyrics different arrangement), just breathe, alive

2016 night 1: 34 songs night 2: 30 songs 64 songs total 11 repeats
53 different songs over two nights

pearldavidson

Nice breakdown! How many did they repeat this year? I wasn't at the show, just curious.

grieving dice

i counted 11 this year

xavier mcdaniel

so in their four stints, it's averages about eight repeats, not terrible.

jumbojet

I would say 2010 shows were kind of supporting-promoting Backspacer. So songs from the supporting album, should not even be counted as repeats. The both shows will be Backspacer heavy, it is unavoidable.

With this point above, one can conclude that the percent of repeats has risen in 2016, compared to 2010.

mcgruff10

so the final tally for the most to least diverse msg setlist are:

5/20/10 and 5/21/10 (in support of Backspacer)
67 songs total 60 different songs

7/8/03 and 7/9/03 (in support of Riot Act)
60 original songs. 54 different songs

5/1/16 and 5/2/16 (no supporting album)
64 songs total 53 different songs

6/24/08 msg and 6/25/08 (no supporting album)
59 total songs. 50 different songs total.

9/10/98 and 9/11/98: (in support of Yield)
49 songs total 36 different songs

jumbojet

Another issue being discussed is Ten-heaviness.

In 2016, both shows featured 7 songs from Ten, each. That corresponds to 14/64 = 22% of total played songs.

In 2010, total 8 songs from Ten were played out of total 67, which is 12%.

So, we had a substantial increase in songs played from Ten in 2016 MSG shows, which accidentally came just after a show where album Ten was played in its entirety.

mcgruff10

nice statistics jumbo jet!

jumbojet

mcgruff10 said:

nice statistics jumbo jet!

Thank you. No complaining, I would still be happy and rocking out, even if they played the same 5 songs over and over at a show.

But from a setlist-writing standpoint, apparently this year in msg, we did not get the diversity of 2010 shows

karmadefect

jumbojet said:

I would say 2010 shows were kind of supporting-promoting Backspacer. So songs from the supporting album, should not even be counted as repeats. The both shows will be Backspacer heavy, it is unavoidable.

With this point above, one can conclude that the percent of repeats has risen in 2016, compared to 2010.

I agree songs from the current album shouldn't count at least not as strong.
But then the same argument applies to Lightning bold.
So Mind your manners and Lightning bold shouldn't count as repeats either, slightly lowering the percentage of repeats for 2016.

jumbojet

karmadefect said:

I agree songs from the current album shouldn't count at least not as strong.
But then the same argument applies to Lightning bold.
So Mind your manners and Lightning bold shouldn't count as repeats either, slightly lowering the percentage of repeats for 2016.

I would say, it is bit of a stretch to count this year shows as supporting Lightning Bold, it has been 3 years already and the band has done a few rounds of tours in US before. I would assume, just like mcgruff, this year's shows do not specifically support any album.

RS151862

It's hard to compare 2016 to 1998. They had 6 less albums, including Lost Dogs, to pull songs from.

mcgruff10

RS151862 said:

It's hard to compare 2016 to 1998. They had 6 less albums, including Lost Dogs, to pull songs from.

100% agree. I was just throwing it in there in order to be thorough.

karmadefect

jumbojet said:

karmadefect said:

I agree songs from the current album shouldn't count at least not as strong.
But then the same argument applies to Lightning bold.
So Mind your manners and Lightning bold shouldn't count as repeats either, slightly lowering the percentage of repeats for 2016.

I would say, it is bit of a stretch to count this year shows as supporting Lightning Bold, it has been 3 years already and the band has done a few rounds of tours in US before. I would assume, just like mcgruff, this year's shows do not specifically support any album.

Well the fact that there is no Lightning bolt art work on the boot would suggest that you are right. But Lightning bolt is still the current album. For instance Pearl Jam still played more Backspacer songs in 2012 than they do now.

Apart from the numbers MSG seems less special because of the choices made for the songs coming from Vs. and Vitalogy. Had they picked Satan's bed or Tremor Christ from Vitalogy or Glorified G. and W.M.A. from Vs. than that would have shifted the balance some what.

RS151862

mcgruff10 said:

RS151862 said:

It's hard to compare 2016 to 1998. They had 6 less albums, including Lost Dogs, to pull songs from.

100% agree. I was just throwing it in there in order to be thorough.

Understood. If you had to rank the MSG shows by your personal favorites what would it be.

mcgruff10

RS151862 said:

mcgruff10 said:

RS151862 said:

It's hard to compare 2016 to 1998. They had 6 less albums, including Lost Dogs, to pull songs from.

100% agree. I was just throwing it in there in order to be thorough.

Understood. If you had to rank the MSG shows by your personal favorites what would it be.

I posted this in another thread (was at all 10):
Night 2 98 (front row between stone and ed)
Night 2 10
Night 1 03
Night 1 16 (best first set I've ever seen)
Night 1 98
Night 1 10
Night 2 03
08 shows and msg 2, 16 are the bottom three.

for some reason the 08 shows and msg 2,16 weren't that good imo.

karmadefect

mcgruff10 said:

RS151862 said:

mcgruff10 said:

RS151862 said:

It's hard to compare 2016 to 1998. They had 6 less albums, including Lost Dogs, to pull songs from.

100% agree. I was just throwing it in there in order to be thorough.

Understood. If you had to rank the MSG shows by your personal favorites what would it be.

I posted this in another thread (was at all 10):
Night 2 98 (front row between stone and ed)
Night 2 10
Night 1 03
Night 1 16 (best first set I've ever seen)
Night 1 98
Night 1 10
Night 2 03
08 shows and msg 2, 16 are the bottom three.

for some reason the 08 shows and msg 2,16 weren't that good imo.

I am curious why 2003 night 2 scores so low in your list? I really like setlist.
And if I remember correctly I qiute liked the boot as well.
I can never quite understand why 2008 is so unloved I thought both nights were great, but I wasn't there.

RS151862

I wasn't at either, but if I had to guess 2003 night 1 was such a monster that night 2 could never match it.

mcgruff10

RS151862 said:

I wasn't at either, but if I had to guess 2003 night 1 was such a monster that night 2 could never match it.

Bingo

jumbojet

karmadefect said:

Apart from the numbers MSG seems less special because of the choices made for the songs coming from Vs. and Vitalogy. Had they picked Satan's bed or Tremor Christ from Vitalogy or Glorified G. and W.M.A. from Vs. than that would have shifted the balance some what.

Well, you could say the band has compensated for that by playing so tight. I don't know the second night (damn), but first night, the thought in my mind was: I cannot believe how good they sound. I am looking forward to the boot to relive it all again.

ceska

karmadefect said:

I am curious why 2003 night 2 scores so low in your list? I really like setlist.
And if I remember correctly I qiute liked the boot as well.
I can never quite understand why 2008 is so unloved I thought both nights were great, but I wasn't there.

I always felt Night 2 had a great first set, by itself in a vacuum, but night 1's encore sets were just untoppable. Also, opening night 2 with Crazy Mary felt a little "off."

karmadefect

RS151862 said:

I wasn't at either, but if I had to guess 2003 night 1 was such a monster that night 2 could never match it.

Well that seems a like good answer, but that only sets it apart from the first night from 2003.
But hey like you I wasn't there ( too bad :-( ), and so I'm just judging the bootlegs. I get the feeling the second night in 2003 for some reason is much more intimate than the first one. Perhaps it's only because the campfire start with Crazy Mary. :-D
Still I was curious to hear from someone who was acually there.
The bootleg of the first night in 2010 never quite grew on me, which has mostly to do with soundquality. I knew the mix on the 2008 bootlegs leaves something to be desired, but still I prefer it to the recording of the first night in 2010.

karmadefect

mcgruff10 said:

RS151862 said:

I wasn't at either, but if I had to guess 2003 night 1 was such a monster that night 2 could never match it.

Bingo

Now that hardly makes me any wiser. hahaha

MA1863

I've always said that if you took the main set of Night 2 2003 with the encores of Night 1 2003, you'd have pretty much the perfect PJ show, aside from the Crazy Mary opener

Suziemay

jumbojet said:

karmadefect said:

I agree songs from the current album shouldn't count at least not as strong.
But then the same argument applies to Lightning bold.
So Mind your manners and Lightning bold shouldn't count as repeats either, slightly lowering the percentage of repeats for 2016.

I would say, it is bit of a stretch to count this year shows as supporting Lightning Bold, it has been 3 years already and the band has done a few rounds of tours in US before. I would assume, just like mcgruff, this year's shows do not specifically support any album.

I don't view this year's tour as supporting Lightning Bolt.

karmadefect

MA1863 said:

I've always said that if you took the main set of Night 2 2003 with the encores of Night 1 2003, you'd have pretty much the perfect PJ show, aside from the Crazy Mary opener

Well you had me untill you wanted to throw out Crazy Mary as the opener. haha

whofeelslikeadrank

mcgruff10 said:

so the final tally for the most to least diverse msg setlist are:

5/20/10 and 5/21/10 (in support of Backspacer)
67 songs total 60 different songs

7/8/03 and 7/9/03 (in support of Riot Act)
60 original songs. 54 different songs

5/1/16 and 5/2/16 (no supporting album)
64 songs total 53 different songs

6/24/08 msg and 6/25/08 (no supporting album)
59 total songs. 50 different songs total.

9/10/98 and 9/11/98: (in support of Yield)
49 songs total 36 different songs

i love this... thank you. solid facts (in terms of songs played) to back up what we all already know. the band plays a diverse catalog nightly, and msg2 2016 was not texting it in. or whatever has been said about that show.

cp3iverson

9/11/98 is still the best PJ show of all time. Not one bad tune. Great crowd. Etc. no one can touch that setlist. Theyre still my favorite band but the inclusion of later albums today makes it tough to have A+ setlists.

mcgruff10

cp3iverson said:

9/11/98 is still the best PJ show of all time. Not one bad tune. Great crowd. Etc. no one can touch that setlist. Theyre still my favorite band but the inclusion of later albums today makes it tough to have A+ setlists.

out of 56 times seeing pj live this show is my #1. (although Randall's Island 9/29/96 sometimes flip flops with that show)

cp3iverson

^^^^ I'll believe it. If 9/11/98 is ever a vault release they would make a killing