A possible reason behind why there are no bootlegs

Mine

I've noticed that on amazon.com it says Rhino/Wea under label on the George page and it did ring a bell. Some people who purchased the travel packaged said there were some kind of legal issues involved.

Now some of you may know that The Doors wanted to follow Pearl Jam in making their live and rare catalouge avialable for download in lossles format on their site. Now this did not happen yet. According to their manager, who interacts regulary with the fans on their site, Warner music, who Rhino is part of, is fighting Digital rights free downloads.

I obviousely have no idea with who and what have the band signed up, all i know is that the labels usualy own part of the rights of live reccordings made under contract so that might be it, if they are under warner now.

kristmace

Hmm, not sure about this because they've only started downloads in the last 2 years - and this issue would have affected last years boots.

Also their record deal doesn't seem to be a typical one. The last album was copyrighted "Monkeywrench", and under licence to J records - so the band still retain all the rights to the music.

Just a thought.

stonesgstring

I think they are trying to teach us a lesson. So many people moaned about the digital bootlegs. The band often get hear to what goes on, on this board so I think word got back to them. Just my twopence

redrock

stonesgstring wrote:

The band often get hear to what goes on, on this board so I think word got back to them. Just my twopence

You little shit-stirrer!

parel jam

Mine wrote:

I've noticed that on amazon.com it says Rhino/Wea under label on the George page and it did ring a bell. Some people who purchased the travel packaged said there were some kind of legal issues involved.

Now some of you may know that The Doors wanted to follow Pearl Jam in making their live and rare catalouge avialable for download in lossles format on their site. Now this did not happen yet. According to their manager, who interacts regulary with the fans on their site, Warner music, who Rhino is part of, is fighting Digital rights free downloads.

I obviousely have no idea with who and what have the band signed up, all i know is that the labels usualy own part of the rights of live reccordings made under contract so that might be it, if they are under warner now.

I think PJ will release a 24-cd and 12-DVD box of the European Tour, similar to the Gorge

stonesgstring

redrock wrote:

You little shit-stirrer!

:eek: But it's true!!

Scratchin a Letter

There was so much whining going on though, remember all those threads like,

"Petition to remix Athens"
"Marseille has too much bass"
"Re-release this one with the preset"
"The audience are too loud"
"No more soundboard boots"
"We want CDs"
"Artwork sucks"

We were blessed with decent recordings of concerts, and half the people on here were complaining about them. Surprised?

stonesgstring

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

There was so much whining going on though, remember all those threads like,

"Petition to remix Athens"
"Marseille has too much bass"
"Re-release this one with the preset"
"The audience are too loud"
"No more soundboard boots"
"We want CDs"
"Artwork sucks"

We were blessed with decent recordings of concerts, and half the people on here were complaining about them. Surprised?

Precisly.

dunkman

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

There was so much whining going on though, remember all those threads like,

"Petition to remix Athens"
"Marseille has too much bass"
"Re-release this one with the preset"
"The audience are too loud"
"No more soundboard boots"
"We want CDs"
"Artwork sucks"

We were blessed with decent recordings of concerts, and half the people on here were complaining about them. Surprised?

if it was my band thats what i would have done... too many fuckers whining about shitty things.

some of them even requesting boots on vinyl... stoopit eejits

mp3's of every show with downloadable artwork was fine... compared to what we have now it was gold toblerone encrusted with diamonds... that means it was good!!!

blue_rain

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

There was so much whining going on though, remember all those threads like,

"Petition to remix Athens"
"Marseille has too much bass"
"Re-release this one with the preset"
"The audience are too loud"
"No more soundboard boots"
"We want CDs"
"Artwork sucks"

We were blessed with decent recordings of concerts, and half the people on here were complaining about them. Surprised?

In this digital age we're all absolutely spoiled to death. We want everything NOW. I collected boots on tape for years and would even make do with a recording of MTV unplugged that I'd taped with a mic next to my TV.

There will be something, somehow.. and it'll be worth the wait. Of that, I'm sure.

pearljamfan99

blue_rain wrote:

In this digital age we're all absolutely spoiled to death. We want everything NOW. I collected boots on tape for years and would even make do with a recording of MTV unplugged that I'd taped with a mic next to my TV.

There will be something, somehow.. and it'll be worth the wait. Of that, I'm sure.

Amen brother. PJ doesn't let us down. We shold know by now that they are going to do something fantasic, that we'll all (most of us) will love! Peace, J

Mine

All this is true, we are spoilt. Since there seems to be a legal issue this year, what i wrote came to my mind. No label will ever be happy that the band let's us downlod bootlegs right here on the official forum of material that was on sale less than a year ago and still is if you count the recent boxset. We'll see.

collymcd

At Dusseldorf eddie said something about the show being killer and the crowd being incredible, quickly followed by "..if you don't believe me, just wait 'till you hear the boot!" There's boots coming soon

blue_rain

collymcd wrote:

At Dusseldorf eddie said something about the show being killer and the crowd being incredible, quickly followed by "..if you don't believe me, just wait 'till you hear the boot!" There's boots coming soon

parel jam

collymcd wrote:

At Dusseldorf eddie said something about the show being killer and the crowd being incredible, quickly followed by "..if you don't believe me, just wait 'till you hear the boot!" There's boots coming soon

I really hope so...

mookie_in_eugene

Don't be surprised for a nice Fall release of some boots (just in time for the holiday season). At least I hope so.

Restless Soul

I think it's about time for another DVD movie like touring band 2000 - maybe with audio cds to go with it!

benjs

Depressing truth... most good things don't get truly appreciated 'til they're gone

hopethatuchoke

stonesgstring wrote:

I think they are trying to teach us a lesson. So many people moaned about the digital bootlegs. The band often get hear to what goes on, on this board so I think word got back to them. Just my twopence

I highly doubt the band are teaching us a "lesson" that would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars in money.

SomethingCreative

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

There was so much whining going on though, remember all those threads like,

"Petition to remix Athens"
"Marseille has too much bass"
"Re-release this one with the preset"
"The audience are too loud"
"No more soundboard boots"
"We want CDs"
"Artwork sucks"

We were blessed with decent recordings of concerts, and half the people on here were complaining about them. Surprised?

thank you!!!

dunkman

Restless Soul wrote:

I think it's about time for another DVD movie like touring band 2000 - maybe with audio cds to go with it!

no cameras at the gigs tho :(

Mine

I've seen one in Munich, was taping the band and the crowd and Ed doing something funny with his cigarette.

wpost211

The idea that they are punishing fans who complain on the boards is ridiculous. It's a business that does well, so it will continue. Just the format and presentation might change. Soon enough they'll release Europe 2007. Hang in there.

Dercheef

Not only that it would be a weak business decision, I can't see PJ teaching their fans a lesson and punishing them because some people weren't grateful enough. They just aren't that type of bitter people that would do such a thing.

FoG

wpost211 wrote:

The idea that they are punishing fans who complain on the boards is ridiculous. It's a business that does well, so it will continue. Just the format and presentation might change. Soon enough they'll release Europe 2007. Hang in there.

Quiet you! We're trying to make the whiny bitches go away!

CornishMan

Restless Soul wrote:

I think it's about time for another DVD movie like touring band 2000 - maybe with audio cds to go with it!

Yes that would be cool, particularly since the rumours of the Italia '06 DVD have disappeared!!

NotForJeremy

dunkman wrote:

no cameras at the gigs tho :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpX3i9HYFxw

This gives hope to a dvd for london though

dunkman

CornishMan wrote:

Yes that would be cool, particularly since the rumours of the Italia '06 DVD have disappeared!!

go to http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/3385592/-/Product.html?searchstring=pearl+jam+italy&searchsource=0 and PJ in Italy: Picture in a Frame is listed for pre-sale in Sept :cool:

LeatherMosquitoMan

NotForJeremy wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpX3i9HYFxw

This gives hope to a dvd for london though

I LOVE these versions of Long Road, where they just keep building through the song, it becomes so powerful!

CornishMan

dunkman wrote:

go to http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/3385592/-/Product.html?searchstring=pearl+jam+italy&searchsource=0 and PJ in Italy: Picture in a Frame is listed for pre-sale in Sept :cool:

Oh cool! Great find, man! There is hope after all! Although it is listed as a CD, not DVD. Hmm... interesting. Surely it as to be DVD since they just released the Gorge on CD. Also found this due for release in September, which is listed as DVD:
http://www.play.com/Music/MusicDVD/4-/3386588/Pearl-Jam-An-American-Tour-2000/Product.html

InJuddsTree

It's pretty obvious to see what will most likely happen.

Since they've introduced the "immediate bootleg" concept - where you can get the bootleg, either in hard copy or as a download, as early as 2 days after a show - the people who have had to record, mix, edit and master the shows have been working fucking hard. After every show they would work tirelessly to get the shows available for us.

While generally very good, some of the bootlegs were affected by poor sound, a poor venue mix, or weird crowd noise. As a result of the need to have the bootlegs available immediately, these sorts of affects were unable to be edited out or mixed out of the recording (which happens with other live albums, eg. Live On Two Legs).

They will release the Europe shows eventually, but I think they want to mix them back in the States over a period of time where they can do it properly.