Attn: Hillary Supporters

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This is a very simple concept. Us Sanders supporters understand that Sanders wont get much of what he is proposing done, however he will fight like hell to get the corruption out of the system, which down the line will lead to a better govt. for all. That's the idea- That's why many of us support Sanders.

Here's a message his camp just sent out:

Remember that Hillary Clinton fundraiser on Friday where a couple could contribute $353,000 to sit at a table with George Clooney? Well, George Clooney himself was asked on NBC whether that was an obscene amount of money, and here’s what he said:

"It is an obscene amount of money, the Sanders campaign when they talk about it is absolutely right. It’s ridiculous that we have this kind of money in politics." - George Clooney

Here’s the truth: you cannot change a corrupt campaign finance system by taking its money. That’s what this election is about: tearing down a system where big money props up the institutions that rig the economy against ordinary Americans. And the central question of our campaign is can 99% of Americans defeat the 1% trying to maintain the status quo?

brianlux

Message to Mr. Clooney: come on over to Bernie's side!

Kat

You left out the part where Mr. Clooney explained that the obscene amount of money was not going so much to Hillary as to the downticket candidates so the Senate could be taken back and they could vote on the Supreme Court nominee and the other important things to be done. All of that was very important to consider in his answer.
Have a beautiful Sunday.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/17/clooney-calls-money-politics-obscene----including-what-hes-raising/83154906/

Free

Kat said:

You left out the part where Mr. Clooney explained that the obscene amount of money was not going so much to Hillary as to the downticket candidates so the Senate could be taken back and they could vote on the Supreme Court nominee and the other important things to be done. All of that was very important to consider in his answer.
Have a beautiful Sunday.

Of course, he's going to say something noble, that doesn't mean he knows really where the money goes. It does make him look good. If anything, Clinton herself, should be saying this. Why is he saying it and not Clinton?

mickeyrat

cuz he helped raise it?

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Kat said:

You left out the part where Mr. Clooney explained that the obscene amount of money was not going so much to Hillary as to the downticket candidates so the Senate could be taken back and they could vote on the Supreme Court nominee and the other important things to be done. All of that was very important to consider in his answer.
Have a beautiful Sunday.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/17/clooney-calls-money-politics-obscene----including-what-hes-raising/83154906/

I think Bernie's main point is to go after the corruption within our political system.

Here is Bernie's response to your comment:

Here it is:

Our opponent is bending campaign finance rules to their breaking point all so Wall Street fat cats and people like Walmart's Alice Walton can get away with giving hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single contribution to benefit the Clinton campaign.

You already know about the fundraiser Hillary Clinton held where a couple could contribute $353,000 to sit at a table with George Clooney. That money doesn’t go directly to the Clinton campaign, it goes to something called the "Hillary Victory Fund" – another account that has raised almost $35 million.

Well, for MONTHS the Clinton campaign has been saying the primary purpose of that fund is to support the DNC and state parties. But that’s not even close to true.

According to the Hillary Victory Fund’s most recent FEC report, the vast majority of the money they spent in 2016 – $25 MILLION – went directly towards helping the Clinton campaign itself.

So, what can we do about it? We can either sit back and shrug our shoulders at yet another obscene injustice. Or, we can fight. I say we fight.

Contribute to Bernie’s campaign today to help us win New York and as a way of saying you have had ENOUGH of the way Hillary Clinton’s campaign is funding its campaign and super PACs.

Free

Vote tomorrow if you are a Dem or Rep in NY!! Vote corruption in politics out!!

Prince Of Dorkness

Yawn.

You tell people "Bernie can't get any of those huge ideas past congress." They tell you "we have to elect democrats to congress and they'll vote for his huge ideas."

"OK," you say, "let's raise money to get those democrats elected, then."

"NO!! MONEY OUT OF POLITICS BERNIE OR BUST, LET'S HAVE A PROTEST!!"

yes, you read that right. A fund raiser that raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for down-ballot democrats... the people Bernie would NEED to pass his many proposals... and Bernie supporters protested this.

Without those people, we wouldn't get any reform to the ACA, we sure aren't getting free college or a democratic congress to support any supreme court nominees. Protesting this is about as counter-productive as I can imagine.

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Prince Of Dorkness said:

Yawn.

You tell people "Bernie can't get any of those huge ideas past congress." They tell you "we have to elect democrats to congress and they'll vote for his huge ideas."

"OK," you say, "let's raise money to get those democrats elected, then."

"NO!! MONEY OUT OF POLITICS BERNIE OR BUST, LET'S HAVE A PROTEST!!"

yes, you read that right. A fund raiser that raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for down-ballot democrats... the people Bernie would NEED to pass his many proposals... and Bernie supporters protested this.

Without those people, we wouldn't get any reform to the ACA, we sure aren't getting free college or a democratic congress to support any supreme court nominees. Protesting this is about as counter-productive as I can imagine.

Howard Dean said Sanders is damaging the Democratic party with his attacks on Hillary and the DNC. To that I say, FUCK YEAH!! Expose those motherfuckers! Expose all of them on the left and on the right - Make it known to the damn world.

Your post suggest that we should settle for the status quo. Well let me tell you, You are damn right! Bernie or BUST!! Why the hell would I want the future of my country and the country I'm leaving to my children to remain the same, which is embedded with corruption, not only that, but enable those idiots who have dug us into this mess. Sanders is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He is the right candidate to take on the corruption. He actually has a proven record. He was for LGBT community well before it was popular. He was for gay marriage well before Clinton decided to change. I want a genuine candidate, anything other then Sanders is simply the same old shit, and I couldn't give two fucks who that other candidate is.
This is not the end of the world, this is a goddam wake up call. If you think Clinton is doing a far better job at promoting other Dems who will follow in line on certain social issues go for it, fuck the rest of the country.

And the same goes for the right - Trump is fucking that party up... and that's exactly what we need. We need all these corrupt motherfuckers out of office and out of power. Not suggesting Trump isn't a dirty bag, but what he's doing to the establishment is brilliant and a good thing for our country. If him and his people can vote out the establishment that would be great.

We need to change things up and now is the time.

Right now I am Donating another $15 to Bernie in your honor.

Prince Of Dorkness

tonifig8 said:

Right now I am Donating another $15 to Bernie in your honor.

you really want to help? Do what I did. Donate $500 to 10 different down-ballot candidates and help THEM get elected so regardless of who wins the next election, there's a democratic congress to either help a Democrat or stop a Republican.

Yes, we have a flawed, fucked up, unfair and corrupt system but sadly... much like getting fat, you can't change it all at once. Huge changes need to take place over time. That's why Barack Obama failed to live up to his unrealistic expectations.

Bernie fans seem to think he can just walk into the office and wave his magic wand and change everything. That's not how it works. We need a democrat to nominate liberal supreme court justices, we need a democratic congress, we need democrats in state offices... we need to get rid of Gerrymandering and Citizen's United.... and your childish "I WANT A GOLDEN GOOSE NOW DADDY" Bernie-Or-Bust thing won't achieve that.

So you go ahead and donate your measly $15 to Bernie. I've already donated thousands to many candidates. I wish I didn't have to. I wish we got money out of politics. But we're not going to if we don't elect enough liberals to every single level and branch of the US government,

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Prince Of Dorkness said:

tonifig8 said:

Right now I am Donating another $15 to Bernie in your honor.

you really want to help? Do what I did. Donate $500 to 10 different down-ballot candidates and help THEM get elected so regardless of who wins the next election, there's a democratic congress to either help a Democrat or stop a Republican.

Yes, we have a flawed, fucked up, unfair and corrupt system but sadly... much like getting fat, you can't change it all at once. Huge changes need to take place over time. That's why Barack Obama failed to live up to his unrealistic expectations.

Bernie fans seem to think he can just walk into the office and wave his magic wand and change everything. That's not how it works. We need a democrat to nominate liberal supreme court justices, we need a democratic congress, we need democrats in state offices... we need to get rid of Gerrymandering and Citizen's United.... and your childish "I WANT A GOLDEN GOOSE NOW DADDY" Bernie-Or-Bust thing won't achieve that.

So you go ahead and donate your measly $15 to Bernie. I've already donated thousands to many candidates. I wish I didn't have to. I wish we got money out of politics. But we're not going to if we don't elect enough liberals to every single level and branch of the US government,

If you read what I originally posted - I clearly stated that Sanders proposals aren't going to happen, not sure why you would make your Daddy comment. I stated that he would be the best candidate to take on the establishment. Which means further down the line we would get a better Govt. A govt that's better for all, not just for you. He is exposing a lot of the corruption that many people didn't originally know about. He is exposing the Clinton's to a level that many average citizens didn't know about. He isn't climbing in the polls because a birdie landed on this podium, he's climbing because people are opening their eyes.

Now you can donate you're massive $500 and THOUSANDS of dollars, because you'd be the first person to do so, and now all of a sudden that money is going to create the change you're stating. Guess what, that's bullshit! You're doing the same thing we've all done year after year... What happen to Congress? What Happen to the Senate?? We lost it! Keep giving your money- that seems to be placing our country on a better path.

Citizens United? Fuck man... you do realize the ONLY reason Hillary's campaign is still alive is because of big money, right?

I rather vote for Trump, shit even Cruz over Clinton. At least these guys are against the establishment. And don't give me any shit on Wars, Social Issues, Surveillance, or the economy,etc... I voted for Obama twice and I'm a big Sanders supporters, but I rather shake things up than have the same old shit..... and Look where that has gotten us.... Not to say I regret Obama, but he has disappointed in certain areas.

Hope you have enough money to buy the votes you need.

Prince Of Dorkness

tonifig8 said:

Citizens United? Fuck man... you do realize the ONLY reason Hillary's campaign is still alive is because of big money, right?

No, she's leading because, regardless of the 30-year campaign against her... she's the best choice for the job. that's why.

Free

Anyone throwing their money at a corrupt 2-party system is PART of the problem, big-time. Not to mention believing that the money you're donating is going to down ballot candidates when it's really going to Clinton's campaign.

The point of Bernie's campaign is to Get. Money. out of. Politics. I have already given him a couple hundred, and I'd do it all over again. To get awareness of the corruption a main street topic and get the corrupt out of power.

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Hillary Clinton Praised ‘Corrupt’ Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff For Her Transparency: In 2012, Clinton said soon-to-be-impeached Rousseff was the ‘global standard’ for transparency.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/18/hillary-clinton-praised-corrupt-brazilian-president-dilma-rousseff-for-her-transparency.html

Kat

Rousseff might just be a scapegoat...a distraction. Anyway, info in this article to consider.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/dilma-rousseffs-impeachment-isnt-a-coup-its-a-cover-up.html?_r=0

HughFreakingDillon

I would NEVER give money to a bazillionaire so they can become the highest douchebag in the land. NEVER.

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Prince Of Dorkness said:

tonifig8 said:

Citizens United? Fuck man... you do realize the ONLY reason Hillary's campaign is still alive is because of big money, right?

No, she's leading because, regardless of the 30-year campaign against her... she's the best choice for the job. that's why.

Sure she is. If you are one of the 1%, love the idea of waging war on other countries, and robbing the people of this country blind literally, morally and humanitarily through the use of big banks, Citizens United, and rigged elections. She's your woman!

lukin2006

HughFreakingDillon said:

I would NEVER give money to a bazillionaire so they can become the highest douchebag in the land. NEVER.

Agreed...

Free

...and we still haven't seen those transcripts...

mrussel1

Kat said:

Rousseff might just be a scapegoat...a distraction. Anyway, info in this article to consider.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/dilma-rousseffs-impeachment-isnt-a-coup-its-a-cover-up.html?_r=0

Exactly... Amazing how two opinion pieces from fairly liberal media outlets view a situation so differently. There are no easy answers and the answers are much more difficult when dealing with foreign issues. There are so many factors that we Americans simply do not understand. FWIW, the Daily Beast article appears to be written not as an analysis of the situation, but an effort to damage Hillary based on one thing she said as SOS. That's politics I suppose.

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mrussel1 said:

Kat said:

Rousseff might just be a scapegoat...a distraction. Anyway, info in this article to consider.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/opinion/dilma-rousseffs-impeachment-isnt-a-coup-its-a-cover-up.html?_r=0

Exactly... Amazing how two opinion pieces from fairly liberal media outlets view a situation so differently. There are no easy answers and the answers are much more difficult when dealing with foreign issues. There are so many factors that we Americans simply do not understand. FWIW, the Daily Beast article appears to be written not as an analysis of the situation, but an effort to damage Hillary based on one thing she said as SOS. That's politics I suppose.

There are so many dark clouds surrounding Hillary. I really don't understand how true progressives aren't Supporting the real progressive in the race. These progressives supporting her are using statements like, "she'll be able to negotiate deals with congress to get things done, etc", well what does that really mean? Considering a lot of her history and a lot of her recent history.
It's disappointing that so many progressives are falling in line behind a candidate that has such a negative rating and That is so damn questionable!!