What happened in Katowice.

trammeus

The could-be-the-best show of the tour.

So, What is really happened?

1- curfew
2- late arrival of the band
3- linkin park set lenght
4- some other shit

vedder_soup

curfew, late arrival of bands equipment, size of linkin parks stage, and the time it took to clear, late opening of gates, everything running late from the start!

Pegasus

according to the poles, there was no curfew.
Linkin Park overun, but late arrival of the crew/equipment meant late start.

what I've heard from a pole in another show is that they wanted to spend the whole next day in Italy and private flights are curfewed at midnight, so they cut it short.

just saying what I heard, don't know the original source, which is really shitty from them if it's true.

trammeus

Pegasus wrote:

what I've heard from a pole in another show is that they wanted to spend the whole next day in Italy and private flights are curfewed at midnight, so they cut it short.

just saying what I heard, don't know the original source, which is really shitty from them if it's true.

I don't want to think it's true.

BugTomek

It's very likely that it's true - info comes from promoter and was said publicly (in the interview to one of the Polish newspapers) so I see no reason to not believe in it.

Bartek_-_

Yeah, I think it's 99% sure thing. First their crew fucked up with a late arrival of the gear, and then the band did something very unfair to 40 000 of their fans. Like if forcing us to wait 7 years and then forcing us to listen to Linkin Park was not enough :P There's one cute aspect of this story: Ed Vedder called the airport personally and was trying to postpone the flight to 2 a.m. (after their manager failed to do so). According to the sources at the promoter agency it was during the first encore break... Too bad he didn't call to book a hotel room though :P

P.S. Yeah, I know what you mean when you say you don't want it to be a truth. Seeing the orginal setlist and comparing "our" show to other ones of 2007 tour can be frustrating - so you expect that there was a good reason for cutting the show short. And then there is a shit like this...

mAci

well,this was a wonderful show, and could be much better....

trammeus

Bartek wrote:

Yeah, I think it's 99% sure thing. First their crew fucked up with a late arrival of the gear, and then the band did something very unfair to 40 000 of their fans. Like if forcing us to wait 7 years and then forcing us to listen to Linkin Park was not enough :P There's one cute aspect of this story: Ed Vedder called the airport personally and was trying to postpone the flight to 2 a.m. (after their manager failed to do so). According to the sources at the promoter agency it was during the first encore break... Too bad he didn't call to book a hotel room though :P

P.S. Yeah, I know what you mean when you say you don't want it to be a truth. Seeing the orginal setlist and comparing "our" show to other ones of 2007 tour can be frustrating - so you expect that there was a good reason for cutting the show short. And then there is a shit like this...

Of course.
It's unaccetable now to hear things like this, even if i'm a fan (or..just because I'm a fan).
Not only for polish who waited years to see them again.
There's people who traveled across Europe and spent money and time to go there.
Next time organize yourself better!!!

sundriedleftover

the same thing happened for the second St. John's show in '05, it was shorter then expected because they had a flight to catch, they left the stage and went right to the vans and got a police escort to the airport. as fans we've been a bit spoiled over the years regarding length of shows, a lot of them close to the 3 hour mark, so when something like this happens people feel ripped off, they shouldn't. I'm sure scheduling world tours isn't the easiest thing to do, your going to run into problems, these things happen.

mole1985

mAci wrote:

well,this was a wonderful show, and could be much better....

Agree. Still a great show it was just short.

pajo

They cut the last year's Zagreb show short as well (it was stil very long and brilliant but there were more songs on the setlist in both of the encores) because they arrived too late and had to leave for the airport immediately after the show. It's like sundriedleftover said, when you plan a world tour things like this are bound to happen. And they felt really bad about it and apologised to all of us at the show, as I'm sure you remember.

But I have to say that it's very nice of the promotors to trash the band after they have left the country. Wasn't it their greed that gave us shitty Linkin Park in the first place?
We saw PJ crew prepare the stage even while LP were still playing. So it can't be said that they started to prepare too late. And wasn't it Linkin Park's stage that took forever to be dismantled?
If the show had started sooner it would have been longer, it's as simple as that.

Bartek_-_

sundriedleftover wrote:

the same thing happened for the second St. John's show in '05, it was shorter then expected because they had a flight to catch, they left the stage and went right to the vans and got a police escort to the airport. as fans we've been a bit spoiled over the years regarding length of shows, a lot of them close to the 3 hour mark, so when something like this happens people feel ripped off, they shouldn't. I'm sure scheduling world tours isn't the easiest thing to do, your going to run into problems, these things happen.

St. Johns was a 2h 10m show for 6 500 people. It was the second night in the city in a row. You're right - people can't complain about something like this. But Chorzow is a different case - it was for 40 000 people who waited for the band for seven years, and the the long awaited show lasted only 90 minutes.

pajo wrote:

But I have to say that it's very nice of the promotors to trash the band after they have left the country. Wasn't it their greed that gave us shitty Linkin Park in the first place?
We saw PJ crew prepare the stage even while LP were still playing. So it can't be said that they started to prepare too late. And wasn't it Linkin Park's stage that took forever to be dismantled?
If the show had started sooner it would have been longer, it's as simple as that.

Well, I think they didn't want to trash the band, but the people here were really pissed at them (the promoter it is), and blamed them for the short show - so they told how it was in real. Also, Linkin Park and the previous support acts played exactly in their scheduled time frame... The problem was only with PJ. Their trucks arrived too late - most of the gear (soundboard, backdrop, amps, etc.) should be prepared before opening the gates, not after LP set. I think the problems started in Munich - as Kerensa said the trucks left the city about 3 a.m. BTW there was no wristbands for 10c members, for the same reason. Anyway, if they knew right then that there are some problems they could start preparing a plan B soonner. Calling the airport before the encores is quite moving, but it is 'too little, too late'. I think they could even have not known about this "before the midnight" regulation during the set - it seemed like they had some problems with the gear that is why they omitt some songs from the setlist, which is only a proof how unproffesional their tour manager is.
Also, I would't blame the promoter for being greedy. It's not a charity organisation. If Pearl Jam would agreed to play in smaller, closed venue then there would be no problem with Linkin Park, etc.

To resume my chaotic thoughts: I understand that planning a tour is not the easiest thing to do, but I think I've got right to expect, or even to demand that when the band play somewhere for the first time since many years, for more fans than anywhere else - they will put the highest possible priority to this one show and make sure everything will be perfect.

pajo

Bartek wrote:

If Pearl Jam would agreed to play in smaller, closed venue then there would be no problem with Linkin Park, etc.

They didn't want to play a smaller venue? That's strange!

Bartek wrote:

To resume my chaotic thoughts: I understand that planning a tour is not the easiest thing to do, but I think I've got right to expect, or even to demand that when the band play somewhere for the first time since many years, for more fans than anywhere else - they will put the highest possible priority to this one show and make sure everything will be perfect.

Yeah, I understand. We thought that the Chorzow show is going to be the best one of this tour as well. And you certaintly did a great job with organising the bus and making it possible for all of us to see both Munich and Chorzow! Thanks again for that!

noa.who

They also left Athens (the last show of the 2006 euro tour) pretty early, going straight to the airport, so this is not the first (or 2nd, or 3rd) time it happens...
It surely sucks waiting for so many years (and a long LP show) and getting a short hurried set.
we can only hope that they'll learn from it, and that the next time they'll visit Poland things will be arranged differently and you guys will get a compensating show.

mole1985

Well Eddie did seem pretty bumed that they had to cut it short and he was really enjoying the show. I'm sure next time they do europe they will make up for it, I think the Polish impressed him again.