Bernie Sanders and the troubling interview with NY Daily News

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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    tempo_n_groove said:

    New York is a Hillary territory. I'd be hard pressed to think any newspaper would endorse Bernie here.
    Just sayin.

    I don't believe it when the media claims that Sanders is looking for an endorsement from the media. :rofl:
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    edited April 2016
    Free said:

    tempo_n_groove said:

    New York is a Hillary territory. I'd be hard pressed to think any newspaper would endorse Bernie here.
    Just sayin.

    I don't believe it when the media claims that Sanders is looking for an endorsement from the media. :rofl:
    Why do you think they meet with editorial boards?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Everything is strategically planned with the media, everything. Stories that MSM want to hide are covered up with fluff pieces. (remember, I worked in media marketing) Stories that make government officials look bad, bring on the Kardashian stories. Stories that expose swindling of American customers' mortgage accounts are pushed aside by weather stories.

    And this Daily News was thrown out there the day after Bernie won yet another state, attempting to undermine him.

    Did FDR have every detail of how the New Deal would work when he was elected? Did Obama have every detail of Obamacare worked out when he was elected (in fact his plan while campaigning was quite different than the eventual bill, which included some ideas from Hillary's proposal and Romneycare).

    The thing is, sometimes landmark elections do change the course of politics in the country.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It’s Not That Simple.

    The interview exposes as much about the media as it does about Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779ce4b0a506064d8df5?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Would you like to talk about this?

    Bernie Sanders gets slammed over Sandy Hook gun lawsuit comments

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/conn-sen-murphy-burns-bernie-sanders-gun-lawsuit-stand-article-1.2589519?cid=bitly

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Free said:

    Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It’s Not That Simple.

    The interview exposes as much about the media as it does about Bernie Sanders.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779ce4b0a506064d8df5?

    Okay, let's discuss this first. There is some delicious irony to start, the fact that a writer at the 4th largest Internet new site says "exposes as much about the media as it does about Bernie Sanders", when he's serving as a surrogate for Sanders. I'm sorry dude, aren't you the media? Are you some alt news source? Did you know that Huffington Post probably receives a multiple of 5 in hit than the NY Daily News? Nice fucking victim hood, but that's a hallmark of HuffPost these days.

    Second, it takes about two seconds to pull apart his bias: Here's a quote from the writer: "Sanders said that if the Treasury Department deemed it necessary to do so, the bank would go about unwinding itself as it best saw fit to get to a size that the administration considered no longer a systemic risk to the economy. Sanders said this could be done with new legislation, or through administrative authority under Dodd-Frank." Sanders said no such thing. He never said anything close to "systemic risk" to the economy. He only even agreed maybe a new law when the board pointed out that Treasury doesn't have the authority. He ended up agreeing with that point by the board and said "The President is not a dictator". So...which is it? Is the authority granted to Treasury (part of the Exec branch) or not?

    And then the author tries to make his point about the fact that the CEO's could not prosecuted under current statutes by saying "But, quickly, without searching Google, can you name the particular statute that outlaws murder?". What a dumb argument. Just because we can't name the statute number under, say NY law, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does. If you're running for DA, you better be damn sure that you know there's a statute for murder. If you're campaigning on prosecuting CEO's, you better be sure there's a law to support it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    edited April 2016
    Free said:

    Would you like to talk about this?

    Bernie Sanders gets slammed over Sandy Hook gun lawsuit comments

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/conn-sen-murphy-burns-bernie-sanders-gun-lawsuit-stand-article-1.2589519?cid=bitly

    Now let's talk about this one. Which I wanted to avoid because it's Sandy Hook and I literally cried the day it happened and every time I hear Ed's speech in Hartford 13, I cry again. My youngest daughter was in kindergarten at the time so I have no interest in politicizing it. But one place where I'm most definitely a liberal is on gun control. The gun culture in this country is sick. I don't have an issue with the 2nd amendment, but the way it's used makes me puke. AR-15's. Give me a fucking break.

    So first the NY Daily News. I hope you understand that it's basically a tabloid. It's the counterpart of the Post. They thrive on running blaring, obnoxious headlines. Now before you get on your media horse, take a look below at the cover from the day before. Think they are picking sides?

    Second. Sanders. I don't care what grade the NRA gives him. He voted against the liability bill in 2005 THE DAY AFTER HE VOTED FOR HOLDING FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS LIABLE FOR HEALTH ISSUES (the cheeseburger bill). I'm sorry, hypocrisy anyone? Second, he voted against the Brady Bill five times. FIVE times. So his record on guns sucks. So for the love of God, since you are a liberal I assume, admit that he's wrong on this issue.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    mrussel, if you put as much energy into campaigning for Hillary as you do against Bernie, she would be a shoe in. Interesting that you seem to take the reverse approach. You must really think that guy sucks, LOL!

    It's Bernie for me. We'll see how it goes. I'm probably done with election threads.

    Last one in the pool...

    :lol:
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    Interesting that Russell would "discuss" my last two posts, but not the first one. Keep discussing Russell.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-is-pro-gu_b_8736298.html


    Hillary Clinton Is Pro Gun Control, But She’s Also Big on Arms Deals
    Lest we forget: "Under Clinton’s leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure — derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) — represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term."
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    brianlux said:

    mrussel, if you put as much energy into campaigning for Hillary as you do against Bernie, she would be a shoe in. Interesting that you seem to take the reverse approach. You must really think that guy sucks, LOL!

    It's Bernie for me. We'll see how it goes. I'm probably done with election threads.

    Last one in the pool...

    :lol:

    I'm actually just more argumentative by nature... a natural contrarian. We'll miss you...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Free said:

    Interesting that Russell would "discuss" my last two posts, but not the first one. Keep discussing Russell.

    I actually didn't see that post, I certainly wasn't avoiding it. Yes, there is bias in the media. But the bias cuts all ways and like I've said over and over, I have no expectation of media impartiality. We've never had it. We never will. Go back and read about yellow journalism in your history survey courses.

    Regarding FDR, that's not a good analogy for a few reasons: 1. FDR was running against Hoover in '32 who was so unpopular that FDR barely brought up policy arguments. He was careful not to make a gaffe when he was such a heavy favorite. He offered bland proposals that vaguely mentioned the gov't stepping in to create jobs, vs the GOP prescription of personal responsibility 2. The country was in the midst of the Great Depression. We are not. Our economy is very strong so the appetite for 'revolution' through much of the country is insignificant compared to 1932. Plus, there were no interviews, no editorial boards, no broadcast debates etc.

    Regarding Obama... that's an even worse analogy because Obama DID in fact lay out a framework for his health care policy and the final law closely mirrored it. Of course there were revisions, amendment, tax breaks for pharms, etc. But it was damn close. Go back and read the plans from 08 between McCain and Obama.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Free said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-is-pro-gu_b_8736298.html


    Hillary Clinton Is Pro Gun Control, But She’s Also Big on Arms Deals

    Lest we forget: "Under Clinton’s leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure — derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) — represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term."
    You've brought this up before. As I said and showed you through data, the arms sales to these countries (mostly western military allies) started long ago, continued under Bush, did increase in some cases under Hillary, but continue to increase under Kerry in the State Department. This is an argument that not even mainstream GOP tries to bring up. There's no merit to it.

    It's interesting that your defense of Bernie is to say that Clinton, the DOD and the President have arms sales to other countries. These two issues are completely unrelated.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    brianlux said:

    I'm probably done with election threads.

    Suuuuuuure you are. ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    I'm probably done with election threads.

    Suuuuuuure you are. ;)
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited April 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-is-pro-gu_b_8736298.html


    Hillary Clinton Is Pro Gun Control, But She’s Also Big on Arms Deals

    Lest we forget: "Under Clinton’s leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure — derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) — represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term."
    You've brought this up before. As I said and showed you through data, the arms sales to these countries (mostly western military allies) started long ago, continued under Bush, did increase in some cases under Hillary, but continue to increase under Kerry in the State Department. This is an argument that not even mainstream GOP tries to bring up. There's no merit to it.


    Uh-huh. Blinders do a great Job.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Free said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Free said:

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-is-pro-gu_b_8736298.html


    Hillary Clinton Is Pro Gun Control, But She’s Also Big on Arms Deals

    Lest we forget: "Under Clinton’s leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure — derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) — represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term."
    You've brought this up before. As I said and showed you through data, the arms sales to these countries (mostly western military allies) started long ago, continued under Bush, did increase in some cases under Hillary, but continue to increase under Kerry in the State Department. This is an argument that not even mainstream GOP tries to bring up. There's no merit to it.
    Uh-huh. Blinders do a great Job.

    Blinders? You pick a small window of time and say that Hillary's a bad guy for doing the same thing that is official US policy through D and R administrations. Kerry continues the practice to this day, but somehow it's an HRC thing. That's delusion or willful ignorance.

    You still haven't defended Sander's votes on the Cheesburger Bill, Brady Bill, etc. Let me know when you are ready to discuss Bernie's time as Chair of the Veteran's Committee. It's the only leadership job he's held in congress. Let's talk about how well that went. HRC could clobber him with that all day long.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    :rofl:
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Free said:

    :rofl:

    As usual, unable to put together a cogent argument that doesn't involve copying and pasting. But hey, can always win an argument with an emoticon, right? Good luck when you make it to the real world.

    I noticed you were conspicuously absent during the conversation we had about how to possibly implement Bernie's education plan. Carry on...sigh
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AdBnDZjO4

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