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dignindignin Posts: 9,336
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This is massive

Over a year ago, an anonymous source contacted the Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) and submitted encrypted internal documents from Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian law firm that sells anonymous offshore companies around the world. These shell firms enable their owners to cover up their business dealings, no matter how shady.

In the months that followed, the number of documents continued to grow far beyond the original leak. Ultimately, SZ acquired about 2.6 terabytes of data, making the leak the biggest that journalists had ever worked with. The source wanted neither financial compensation nor anything else in return, apart from a few security measures.

The data provides rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows. It proves how a global industry led by major banks, legal firms, and asset management companies secretly manages the estates of the world’s rich and famous: from politicians, Fifa officials, fraudsters and drug smugglers, to celebrities and professional athletes.

http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febff0a1bb8d3c3495adf4/
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    The link page scared me...
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    no cocaine or other illegal drugs have ever passed thru the panama canal
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XnH_OnpO0
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    From the article:

    "The data
    The Panama Papers include approximately 11.5 million documents – more than the combined total of the Wikileaks Cablegate, Offshore Leaks, Lux Leaks, and Swiss Leaks. The data primarily comprises e-mails, pdf files, photo files, and excerpts of an internal Mossack Fonseca database. It covers a period spanning from the 1970s to the spring of 2016. "

    I promise you, I had nothing to do with this!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Whoever leaked this had better stay well hidden. Unlike the last big leak, the Russians will kill them rather then welcome them.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    Not sure how or why but so far my name hasn't shown up yet!
    PHEW :relieved:
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Iceland's PM is facing a vote of no confidence ... I wonder if Jar Jar will put it into motion?

    Looks like Obama's tango partners are listed as well.

    Putin is just going to Putin away. Putin is to corruption as Trump is to saying insane things. After a while, you don't even raise an eyebrow when the next scandal comes up.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Jason P said:

    Iceland's PM is facing a vote of no confidence ... I wonder if Jar Jar will put it into motion?

    Looks like Obama's tango partners are listed as well.

    Putin is just going to Putin away. Putin is to corruption as Trump is to saying insane things. After a while, you don't even raise an eyebrow when the next scandal comes up.

    You watched Rocky IV a lot growing up, didn't you? :lol:
    Your hard on for Putin is admirably unwavering.
    Keep reading that there is a glaring absence of Americans implicated in this leak (usually accompanied by mention of a George Soros companies being involved in the leak)...tho there has been a promise of more bombs to drop from this. Keep reading insinuations that this is being 'managed'...if there are additional bombs to drop, will they be managed as a means of steering the election in a certain direction?
    I don't know where journalists even begin with this much information....I don't even know where to start with what journalists are writing.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Drowned Out said:

    Jason P said:

    Iceland's PM is facing a vote of no confidence ... I wonder if Jar Jar will put it into motion?

    Looks like Obama's tango partners are listed as well.

    Putin is just going to Putin away. Putin is to corruption as Trump is to saying insane things. After a while, you don't even raise an eyebrow when the next scandal comes up.

    You watched Rocky IV a lot growing up, didn't you? :lol:
    Your hard on for Putin is admirably unwavering.
    Keep reading that there is a glaring absence of Americans implicated in this leak (usually accompanied by mention of a George Soros companies being involved in the leak)...tho there has been a promise of more bombs to drop from this. Keep reading insinuations that this is being 'managed'...if there are additional bombs to drop, will they be managed as a means of steering the election in a certain direction?
    I don't know where journalists even begin with this much information....I don't even know where to start with what journalists are writing.
    It is a ridiculous amount of info. I was hoping there would be an American related drop this morning, still waiting.

    It's crazy the amount of money floating around out there that these criminals are hiding. And this Panama company is one of many. This is just the tip of an iceberg.

    This is my favorite video on the internet today. The look on this guys face when he realizes how much of a shit storm he is in is priceless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlq_zrfWDc

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Messi's name has popped up in the leak. Not going to help his current case with Spanish tax evasion.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Jason P said:

    Messi's name has popped up in the leak. Not going to help his current case with Spanish tax evasion.

    Here is an list of noteworthy people implicated so far. I'm sure it will grow over time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
  • Who PrincessWho Princess Posts: 7,305
    dignin said:

    Jason P said:

    Messi's name has popped up in the leak. Not going to help his current case with Spanish tax evasion.

    Here is an list of noteworthy people implicated so far. I'm sure it will grow over time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
    Quite a list. This one jumped out at me:
    Idalécio de Oliveira, potential briber of President of the Chamber of Deputies Eduardo Cunha.

    Potential briber? :confused:
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Who Princess said:

    dignin said:

    Jason P said:

    Messi's name has popped up in the leak. Not going to help his current case with Spanish tax evasion.

    Here is an list of noteworthy people implicated so far. I'm sure it will grow over time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
    Quite a list. This one jumped out at me:
    Idalécio de Oliveira, potential briber of President of the Chamber of Deputies Eduardo Cunha.

    Potential briber? :confused:
    The scouting report say he has good potential and brings intangibles to the table, but some analysts see him slipping into the 3rd round of the draft if he doesn't improve his dead drops.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    business as usual ...

    the truth no longer sets us free
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    Jason P said:

    Messi's name has popped up in the leak. Not going to help his current case with Spanish tax evasion.

    Here is an list of noteworthy people implicated so far. I'm sure it will grow over time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
    Implicated in what?
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Corporate Media Gatekeepers Protect Western 1 Percent From Panama Leak

    http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/media_gatekeepers_protect_western_1_percent_from_panama_leak_20160404
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    dignin said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Jason P said:

    Iceland's PM is facing a vote of no confidence ... I wonder if Jar Jar will put it into motion?

    Looks like Obama's tango partners are listed as well.

    Putin is just going to Putin away. Putin is to corruption as Trump is to saying insane things. After a while, you don't even raise an eyebrow when the next scandal comes up.

    You watched Rocky IV a lot growing up, didn't you? :lol:
    Your hard on for Putin is admirably unwavering.
    Keep reading that there is a glaring absence of Americans implicated in this leak (usually accompanied by mention of a George Soros companies being involved in the leak)...tho there has been a promise of more bombs to drop from this. Keep reading insinuations that this is being 'managed'...if there are additional bombs to drop, will they be managed as a means of steering the election in a certain direction?
    I don't know where journalists even begin with this much information....I don't even know where to start with what journalists are writing.
    It is a ridiculous amount of info. I was hoping there would be an American related drop this morning, still waiting.

    It's crazy the amount of money floating around out there that these criminals are hiding. And this Panama company is one of many. This is just the tip of an iceberg.

    This is my favorite video on the internet today. The look on this guys face when he realizes how much of a shit storm he is in is priceless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlq_zrfWDc

    Ya, not often you get to see a real 'gotcha' moment recorded live.
    I am anxious to see some actual info on this...so far every article seems focused on explaining the leak and giving vague info about the same people.
    Has only a portion of the leak been made public? That's the impression I get. Why not dump the whole thing online? Has that not happened? If this has nothing to do with any state's security, why not?
    As of now (as the truthdig article points out), it looks like the guardian and most outlets are trying to put Putin's face on this...stalling the US info while the public gets that burned into their brains....the second most prominent figure implicated? The leader of the country who jailed bankers....doesn't smell right. Hoping that was some kind of damage control compromise made by the guardian because they refuse to hold back....but I do wonder how much this is being politicized if it's all brought to light thru western msm filters.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Drowned Out said:

    dignin said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Jason P said:

    Iceland's PM is facing a vote of no confidence ... I wonder if Jar Jar will put it into motion?

    Looks like Obama's tango partners are listed as well.

    Putin is just going to Putin away. Putin is to corruption as Trump is to saying insane things. After a while, you don't even raise an eyebrow when the next scandal comes up.

    You watched Rocky IV a lot growing up, didn't you? :lol:
    Your hard on for Putin is admirably unwavering.
    Keep reading that there is a glaring absence of Americans implicated in this leak (usually accompanied by mention of a George Soros companies being involved in the leak)...tho there has been a promise of more bombs to drop from this. Keep reading insinuations that this is being 'managed'...if there are additional bombs to drop, will they be managed as a means of steering the election in a certain direction?
    I don't know where journalists even begin with this much information....I don't even know where to start with what journalists are writing.
    It is a ridiculous amount of info. I was hoping there would be an American related drop this morning, still waiting.

    It's crazy the amount of money floating around out there that these criminals are hiding. And this Panama company is one of many. This is just the tip of an iceberg.

    This is my favorite video on the internet today. The look on this guys face when he realizes how much of a shit storm he is in is priceless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlq_zrfWDc

    Ya, not often you get to see a real 'gotcha' moment recorded live.
    I am anxious to see some actual info on this...so far every article seems focused on explaining the leak and giving vague info about the same people.
    Has only a portion of the leak been made public? That's the impression I get. Why not dump the whole thing online? Has that not happened? If this has nothing to do with any state's security, why not?
    As of now (as the truthdig article points out), it looks like the guardian and most outlets are trying to put Putin's face on this...stalling the US info while the public gets that burned into their brains....the second most prominent figure implicated? The leader of the country who jailed bankers....doesn't smell right. Hoping that was some kind of damage control compromise made by the guardian because they refuse to hold back....but I do wonder how much this is being politicized if it's all brought to light thru western msm filters.
    That's an interesting way of looking at the delay, something I never thought about.

    I'm inclined to believe that the delay was to sell more "papers". If you drop everything all at once the story will be out of the news in a week.....drop a new name, a new story every couple of days and you can ride this out for a long time. I hope that's what is going on anyways.

    I'm guessing once the media has squeezed everything they can out of documents they will drop all 2.6 terabytes online for the public to peruse. If they don't, they will be accused of holding back...rightfully so.

    I guess we will see how it plays out.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited April 2016
    In the comments of one article I read (or maybe it was the article itself), it mentioned that there was a much higher chance of litigation involved with western cases - Putin isn't likely to sue anyone...having your legal ducks in a row for the US info might take more time.
    Was also reminded that the guardian (symbolically?) destroyed their Snowden files, with the official reason being fear of lawsuits putting a freeze on their coverage of the story....
    Post edited by Drowned Out on
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    That doesn't necessarily belie the notion of putting Putin's face on this while the initial news cycle plays out and we get into viewer fatigue territory. All about the marketing....:wink:
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Sorry to detract a bit here for a bit but every time I see this threads heading I hear this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyPYM5uUViI



    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Drowned Out said:

    In the comments of one article I read (or maybe it was the article itself), it mentioned that there was a much higher chance of litigation involved with western cases - Putin isn't likely to sue anyone...having your legal ducks in a row for the US info might take more time.
    Was also reminded that the guardian (symbolically?) destroyed their Snowden files, with the official reason being fear of lawsuits putting a freeze on their coverage of the story....

    Why sue in the East when you can just throw someone out of a five story building?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Has there been any mind blowing uncovering of a real solid story out of this yet?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    This story makes Bernie look good and once again puts Hilary on the losing side of history.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Has there been any mind blowing uncovering of a real solid story out of this yet?

    I really don't think anybody cares about corruption stories anymore. A rookie LA Laker's guard getting his roommate to admit to cheating on Iggy Azalea is what matters now.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited April 2016
    tempo_n_groove said:

    Has there been any mind blowing uncovering of a real solid story out of this yet?

    Look to Iceland and their PM.
    Post edited by dignin on
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    This is why this story is important.

    Panama Papers taunt the masses with more proof that game is rigged

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/panama-papers-neil-macdonald-1.3520491

    "They, along with thousands of other less-prominent names exposed in the data dump, belong to a private club that's just really a great place to be a member.

    Once you're in, investigators become more sympathetic, regulators become more forgiving, and taxes become much more avoidable.

    Law becomes a relative concept. You actually get to make laws, or at least fund the people who do, which can amount to the same thing.

    Plus, you get fabulous stock tips."
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Former PM now

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/europe/panama-papers-iceland-pm/index.html

  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    gotta love iceland ... if only the rest of the world held the elite accountable ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    polaris_x said:

    gotta love iceland ... if only the rest of the world held the elite accountable ...

    Apparently flying yogurt is the key.

    It also helps when the total population is equal to the size of Corpus Christi, TX.
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