My Future Lottery Proposal

mattcoz

Here is my proposal for making the lottery more fair and attempting to make sure that everybody gets at least one show that they try for. Instead of doing a single stage lottery, they split it up into multiple stages.

Stage 1: Works the same way as it does now, pick from 1st choices then 2nd choices etc, but once you get chosen your name is removed from other lotteries. They would have to pick 1st choices for all of the options before moving on to 2nd choices to make sure nobody can win their 2nd choice before they win their 1st choice.
Stage 2: Everybody goes back in and it starts over for any options that have tickets available.

Repeat this until all tickets are gone.

This would eliminate the situation where there are two people with the same first and second choices but one gets both and the other gets neither. The odds of getting your first choice would remain exactly the same, but the odds of getting your second choice after losing your first choice would be much greater. Now, if you only choose one option then this doesn't change anything for you, but the chances of you getting shut out completely would be very low if you choose multiple options.

Any thoughts?

RatsTJRats

No offense, but I don't think people really care anymore...too many complaint and suggestion posts to read through for 1 lifetime!

AlaG

Agree that it's kind of BS some of us totally lost out on both Fenway shows. At the same time though, I don't believe the same rules would have applied if they had a way to gauge demand for Night 1 relative to Night 2. I think these results were sort of a fluke and I'm sure the 10C understands the circumstances are somewhat unfair. I get it. It's a lottery. It's random. At the same time, we all pay the same membership fees. If one person can score two shows to the same venue while another can't score one, some members are receiving privilege, albeit at random, over other members. This should NOT happen.

Zod

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

mattcoz

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

corduroykelly

I like it.

pawlowski1097

The only people who want a new lottery system are those who lost, I want to be luckier god dammit. The lottery is solid as is. But this is just my opinion. I lost out 0-6 last two lotterys and I wish luck had my name drawn. But o well guess it's just paying more dough and ticket master for me.

Comatose Pilate

I only have one complaint with the lottery. It was my understanding that when this new lottery system was put in to place it was to "even the playing field" and make things more fair. The fact that tons of people won both nights for example to Fenway while others lost both nights doesn't seem right. You can say whatever you want about the odds /priorities and other factors but in my opinion none of that should matter. Obviously when people put in for both nights (regardless what their priority picks are) it means they really don't care they're willing to go to either night. Having said that, I'd think the 10c would understand that logic and only give people both nights if tickets were left over. It's not too complicated really. Just my opinion... Happy touring everyone!

rival9500

Good ideas.

JimmyV

There should be a tweak when it comes to 2nd priority. Particularly when there are two shows in the same market. If the second night reaches a second draw, those who lost out on night 1 should get the first crack. If any tickets remain then a third draw can be held for night 1 winners. It should have been done this way for Fenway and Wrigley.

dimitrispearljam

Cant happen
Cos i want to go to shows there are tix available and i can get all my ,lets say 4 picks
This has nothing to do with how many picks u enter..and in different shows than you

dimitrispearljam

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

And now u explain it shows u dont understand the system
I want to go msg and jax
U want to go to msg and philly
I won msg first priority . u lost your msg
So there are tix for me in jax and i cant get them cos u didnt win your msg 1st and and lost philly as well cos gone to people with 1sr priority??..the rickets are available must be sold to people wants them even as 10th priority
Its impossible to do it as u saying

rival9500

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

dimitrispearljam

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

Eraserhead

The only change needed is the ability to win single tickets.

dimitrispearljam

Eraserhead said:

The only change needed is the ability to win single tickets.

I agree

rival9500

dimitrispearljam said:

rival9500 said:

mattcoz said:

Zod said:

The way you describe it is a bit confusing. I imagine it's more and more technical doing the lotteries, the more rules you put in, so I try and think of it in the simplest way possible. Maybe for round 2, they split it into two lottery pulls. 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then 2nd priority with previous tickets. Less people would have multiple tickets but more people would have a single pair.

It would help split the tickets when performing multiple shows in the same city, and it would help full leg tours, when people select GA/Reserved for a single show get trumped by people choose Reserved/Reserved from two different shows.

I feel the Lotto system is pretty good, but there is that one thing that feels like it could use tweaking, as it creates opportunities for some people two get two pairs and some people to get none.

There's limitations on how you can do it for full tours because you don't know what people will get in future draws. If you draw shows in chronological order you can really only base it on what's been pulled so far.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly. For round 2 it would be just 2nd priority with no previous tickets, then round 3 would be just 3rd priority with no previous tickets, etc. If after all that there are tickets still available, then it starts over and people can get second pairs. This way nobody gets a second pair before everyone gets a first pair, if possible. Then nobody gets a third pair before everyone gets a second pair, if possible. It doesn't matter what order you draw the shows in because you're only doing one priority at at time.

Some version of this makes sense. People are going to shit on this idea. No surprise there. Not everyone will be happy, but some changes need to happen to "spread the love". People getting 2-4 shows when others get 0 for the same shows is shit. It doesn't matter what your number is.

If u put 4 ga shows and shut out and another guy put same 4 shows seated and score all 4 has nothing to do with lottery ..had to do with supply and demand and u wanted ga and the other guy wanted to be in the venue
At anouncement all infos are there
U read and u make choices..when u know ga are less tickets available than seated which was clear at the announcement and all goes first priorities for ga is not lottery problem

I think the GA risk is understood, or it should be. I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

apirk72

I have a proposal too
I call it the You win some, You lose some proposal

mattcoz

pawlowski1097 said:

The only people who want a new lottery system are those who lost

I won GA for Wrigley 2, I just feel bad for those who got shut out.

the_don

for 2 nighters, there shouldn't be a preference, just that you're willing to go to either night. That may help with some people getting shut out completely.

MayDay10

rival9500 said:

I personally prefer a lottery without GA option which many others have suggested. Regardless, something needs to change. Many on here feel the same. There are some good ideas around here.

This is the #1 change that would improve the lottery IMO. I have provided my reasoning 50x too many.

2nd would be what the OP is alluding to. Some kind of drawing method that makes it impossible for someone to land 2 shows before someone who can land 1 of the same shows. 2nd round would give priority to those who lost in round 1.

3rd would be some sort of # of shows preference. Say I'm going for some high demand shows because they are convenient, but get shut out, but would be willing to give a low-demand travel show a shot if I get denied as a safety net, it should be possible/easy to specify # of shows. That way I cant get stuck with 4 tickets to different shows in different cities if I get too "lucky". This actually kind of happened to me this round.