Hey Pearl Jam - Free the Avery's

Just thought it was an appropriate place to post. All the activism raised for the west Memphis three - we need your voice. I was in Wisconsin for PJ20 - drove 900 miles.... Justice in Wisconsin is necessary for these people. Also liked to say - find Teresa's killer!
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  • Watch the documentary and read the articles. Inform yourselves at the least. I don't know why we are being silent.
    If I knew where it was.....I WOULD TAKE YOU THERE! THERES MUCH MORE THAN THIS!
  • Take this on over to the politcal forum. You'll get more discussion. Just hit 'edit' on this thread and move to A Moving Train.
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  • joseph33joseph33 Posts: 1,247
    Great thread. I agree. Jumped on board with WM3,why not the Avery's?
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Posts: 9,897
    there are two threads discussing it on AMT and AET.
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  • primussucksprimussucks Posts: 2,360
    edited January 2016

    Watch the documentary and read the articles. Inform yourselves at the least. I don't know why we are being silent.

    Then you would agree to inform yourself about all of the facts in the case?? This documentary is a biased one side of the story film. It might as well have been done by that fat lard Michael Moore! Don't let a documentary made by Joe schmoe stir the ignorant masses! And don't allow these "film makers" to profit off this nonsense! Avery is exactly where he belongs! He's a sick sadistic piece of shit! This case is nothing like the wm3 case!
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
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    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • Empty GlassEmpty Glass Posts: 12,329
    dankind said:

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    One of the biggest assholes on the planet
    I've met Rob

    DEGENERATE FUK

    This place is dead

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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839

    dankind said:

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    One of the biggest assholes on the planet
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    I SAW PEARL JAM
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    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • No matter what I say I'm wrong. Sorry if it bothered you - BUT if you want my opinion there are DNA facts that clearly give doubt to their guilty verdicts. I believe the jury was mislead and I cannot stand by and not support a re-trial in a new venue. Civil rights were broken.
    If I knew where it was.....I WOULD TAKE YOU THERE! THERES MUCH MORE THAN THIS!
  • No matter what I say I'm wrong. Sorry if it bothered you - BUT if you want my opinion there are DNA facts that clearly give doubt to their guilty verdicts. I believe the jury was mislead and I cannot stand by and not support a re-trial in a new venue. Civil rights were broken.

    Several of us have already suggested going on over to AET or AMT forums to discuss this. You're going to get more discussion there than on the Porch. This will likely be moved by the mods, all you have to do is click the little sprocket to edit your thread's location and move it to AET or AMT. It's not difficult and you'll get what you are after in those forums.
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,537
    http://www.avclub.com/article/white-house-responds-making-murderer-petition-230436

    The White House responds to that Making A Murderer petition

    It looks like the White House has finally gotten around to watching Making A Murderer, because it has now responded to that petition we reported on a few days ago about asking President Obama to issue a pardon for Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey, the two people at the center of Netflix’s documentary series. The petition’s case for a pardon revolved solely around the evidence provided in Making A Murderer—despite recent reports that it left out a lot of key information, which is sort of a pun if you’ve seen the series—and it referred to the conviction of Avery and Dassey for the murder of Teresa Halbach as “a black mark on the justice system as a whole.” Unsurprisingly, given how much people keep talking about Making A Murderer, the petition managed to gather more than 129,700 signatures in only a few weeks.

    Unfortunately for those who signed the petition (and as predicted by people who are familiar with how the law works), the White House has announced that it actually can’t do anything about Avery and Dassey. The official response highlights the work President Obama has done to try and improve the United States’ criminal justice system and it offers some information on how pardons work, but the important bit is that “the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense.” Avery and Dassey were convicted by the state of Wisconsin, making them state prisoners, so Obama can’t pardon them. If the petition signers really want these pardons, then, they’ll have to work at the state level and appeal to the better nature of Wisconsin’s governor...so, yeah, good luck with that.

    That’s not all that’s going on in the world of Steven Avery-related stories, though. As reported by Deadline, Investigation Discovery has given in to the jealousy it must be feeling these days and announced a Steven Avery special of its own. Titled Front Page: The Steven Avery Story, it sounds like it will specifically highlight the information that was left out of Making A Murderer and “provide critical, crucial evidence and testimony that will answer many questions surrounding Steven Avery.” In other words, Investigation Discovery really wants all the people talking about Making A Murderer to watch this show, and then maybe they’ll also stick around and watch some other shows about murder.

    ...

    If the President of the USA can't do anything about this, the members of Pearl Jam can't do anything about it either.
  • I've got the post where it needs to be - Pearl Jam helped the WM3. I hope they hear and see that there site has people asking them to join the support. I know that you are all laughing. Pearl Jam gave and still gives me hope. As for the "guilty" I understand there is evidence missing and I understand the petition wasn't going to work. All I'm saying is let the men get a fair trial at the State Supreme Court. If that doesn't convince the jury then they must be guilty and it'll be the end.
    If I knew where it was.....I WOULD TAKE YOU THERE! THERES MUCH MORE THAN THIS!
  • I've got the post where it needs to be - Pearl Jam helped the WM3. I hope they hear and see that there site has people asking them to join the support. I know that you are all laughing. Pearl Jam gave and still gives me hope. As for the "guilty" I understand there is evidence missing and I understand the petition wasn't going to work. All I'm saying is let the men get a fair trial at the State Supreme Court. If that doesn't convince the jury then they must be guilty and it'll be the end.

    Feel free to post it where ever u want
    But as some other members said u get more attention and will have more talk with others in AET or AMT forums and not in porch
    Plus there are people at those forums,who read and posts with experience and law knowledge so u get a better specific talk about the whole
    The thing is the unjustice here and not if the band can or will help or not

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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    edited January 2016
    This is different

    The WM3 were innocent kids who were kind of zeroed in on because they were 'different' and wore rock shirts

    This is a misjustice. However, there are still questions surrounding the Avery(s) involvement with the murder (although IMO not even close to w/o reasonable doubt)... and Avery is also much less 'innocent' in the grand scheme of things than the WM3.


    Plus, this film has probably had 10,000x more influence than PJ/EV could have. No need for them to stick out their necks in this toxic situation.
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  • I appreciate your input Mayday - and agree that this has got a head of steam now due to the documentary. However I would add that the more powerful the person/band the likely hood of people listening would increase significantly. just hoping more will give there opinion
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  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    I saw a piece on the local news in Green Bay today about how much evidence and testimony was left out of that documentary. The guy was definitely guilty, just made for good TV.
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  • What was the evidence - I heard what was released to good morning America from the ex DA of Manitiwoc County. Did they leave out DNA evidence in the garage, in averys house?
    If I knew where it was.....I WOULD TAKE YOU THERE! THERES MUCH MORE THAN THIS!
  • What was the evidence - I heard what was released to good morning America from the ex DA of Manitiwoc County. Did they leave out DNA evidence in the garage, in averys house?

    Thats why alot told u go to AET -MT forums..read there..links,conversation,opinion about the whole story..i guess u want to have your thread,its ok with me,but we have a conversation there,no need to post the same qustions and answer and infos to 10 different threads
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  • deadendpdeadendp Posts: 10,434
    AMT, please.
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,537
    http://www.avclub.com/article/west-memphis-3s-damien-echols-weighs-making-murder-230505

    The West Memphis 3’s Damien Echols weighs in on Making A Murderer
    “Lightning does strike twice, and many more times after that”

    By Damien Echols@damienechols

    Jan 9, 2016 10:00 AM

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    Damien Echols is in a unique position to comment on Netflix’s controversial documentary Making A Murderer, having also spent 18 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit. As one of the West Memphis Three, Echols was convicted based on a coerced confession and his general demeanor rather than any real evidence. In this essay published exclusively in The A.V. Club, he offers his thoughts on the crime—and wrongful convictions. Echols is the author of two books, Life After Death and Yours For Eternity. He can be found on Twitter and Instagram.

    Over the holidays I started receiving tweets, Facebook posts, emails, and media requests for interviews regarding my thoughts about the new Netflix series, Making A Murderer. I don’t watch much TV, and I don’t pay attention to the news, but after learning the details of Steven Avery’s case, I have found myself haunted by the parallels to my own life. With each unfolding scene I had the sickening sense that this story will never end, cast as it is with the same characters acting out the same tired old tricks: corrupt cops, inept or powerless public defenders, judges, and prosecutors pursuing political agendas rather than justice for all concerned.

    I was convicted of three counts of capital murder in 1993. Along with the two others who were convicted with me, we became known as the West Memphis Three. After enough evidence had been found to grant us a new hearing that would prove our innocence, the state of Arkansas offered us an insane deal called the Alford plea—as part of it, we could legally claim we were innocent, but the state would maintain our guilt. The deal would prevent us from seeking compensation for the 18 years we spent in prison. I spent those years on death row, 10 of them in isolation.

    We took the deal, knowing that even if proven innocent it would take us years to be processed out of the prison system. We were released in 2011. Today all three of us are legally considered felons.

    Steven Avery is paying a higher price. After being proven innocent of rape, and serving 18 years for a crime he didn’t commit, he sued the Wisconsin county that convicted him for $36 million. All evidence suggests that in order to avoid paying out any settlement, Steven was framed for yet another murder, and is now serving a life sentence with no parole for a crime he didn’t commit. He has been in prison for another 10 years.

    As in my experience, it was a team of filmmakers who shined the light on his case and the heinous actions of those involved in the criminal justice system. And as in my case, people from all over the world are coming forward and acting, demanding that this total disregard for justice be righted.

    People have told me over and over that my story is unique, the circumstances of my case—the injustice to the real victims, their families, to the West Memphis Three—made for a perfect storm, never to be seen again. But lightning does strike twice, and many more times after that—my story and Steven’s are only two in the vast, impenetrable legal landscape.

    Why is it that those who are in the positions to protect us consistently get away with atrocious acts of corruption and violence, without consequences, without accountability? They are protected by the very ones who should be policing them.

    If you think this couldn’t possibly happen again to you, that you’re protected—you’re wrong. Everyone is at risk. Just ask tennis player James Blake, who was recently attacked by a police officer in a case of “mistaken identity.” It can happen to anyone, and until reforms are put in place to hold our justice system to a higher standard, we are all accountable for its victims.
  • kramer73kramer73 Posts: 2,614
    Take this off the porch please
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    When I saw this thread title I thought....whoa what did Adam Avery and his dad do? I like their beer. I live near the original brewery and like to visit often.

    This is in the wrong forum.
    Move it to the AMT please.
  • I don't understand everyone's commitment to having the post moved. Unless pearl jam moves it - it is staying. For those who do not wish to read about it on the porch you have the right not to read it. RIGHTS - that's kinda ironic huh. Move on
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  • dcrouthameldcrouthamel Posts: 26
    edited January 2016
    Nothing as it seems! I feel like I'm being swallowed whole and that everything is black. I can feel the tremors of Christ and I am a nothingman. My wish list is to be the fixer I want to change the world for I am mine.
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    If I knew where it was.....I WOULD TAKE YOU THERE! THERES MUCH MORE THAN THIS!
  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    I'm 50/50 on this one
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  • Patrick_Sea3Patrick_Sea3 Posts: 907
    edited January 2016
    Steven Avery threw a cat into a fire, for that alone he should burn..
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  • deadendpdeadendp Posts: 10,434
    Well look at that. It got moved!
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