thought on Aussie setlists

zootown

It seems as if the band wants to get some of the more standard tunes out of the way at the start of the set (ie Alive, Elderly woman, porch), knowing that fans want to hear them, but perhaps the band is tired of playing them-it certainly has been a VERY long tour. If anyone of significance actually reads this board from PJ, I personally would be okay if they replaced some of these standards with some rarities once in a while. Such as: Satan's Bed to be played more than once a tour, Black, Red, and Yellow, Who you Are, Leaving Here, maybe even Gremmie out of Control...

rebornFixer

I find that they are really playing the radio hits to death this tour ... The setlists are still pretty sweet, but yeah, they must be tired as fuck of Alive.

SoonForgotten2

reborncareerist wrote:

they must be tired as fuck of Alive.

That would make seven of us.

obiwon76

It would be nice if they only played "Alive", "E-Flo", "Evolution" once if they are playing the same place 3 nights. I know they want to ensure everyone who attends the same chance to hear these songs, but I wish they would take on the same approach they did for the Boston shows in 03. Play 3 nights, mix it up and play as many songs as possible without a repeat. If a person missed "Alive" that night, I'm sure they will hear it again at a future show.

zootown

Amen!

rebornFixer

I am also kinda dismayed that it took this many Aussie shows for the band to finally break out a tour debut (NAIS). Maybe its kinda on autopilot after this many shows. That, or I've been way too into Phish lately.

pearljammonkey

i can see your points of view, I would have loved wash, all or none, 1/2 full or immortality (muahaha i got it in adelaide!) but i gotta disagree with dropping the hits if theyre playing multiple nights. well at least not in australia - the crowds just seem to know those hits so well that the atmosphere would seriously drop and there would be some majorly disapointed casual fans
i mean yeah ive seen PJ 5 times, and every time theyve played ive seen Even Flow, Given to Fly, Small Town, Corduroy & Evolution - I think the crowds reactions to these songs slightly, only just outweighs, the experience of having them swapped for No Code & Riot Act songs. the answer - 10C only shows!!!!

boozm

ive got to agree with zootown. im going to pearl jam in perth on saturday night with two people who are really excited but probably wont know most of the songs

so im almost dreading the moments where they are playing footsteps or blood and im singing my head out and these guys dont recognise the tune at all... they probably wont even know corduroy or given to fly!

i didnt back in 2003. a LOT of people who goto the concerts are just people that know pearl jam by reputation and a scarce handful of those really popular songs

InJuddsTree

ive been to 6 australian shows this tour and havent got sick of alive or evenflow yet, thats for sure. some people say that they would get sick of playing them - i disagree. there is always a different mccready solo on alive and evenflow, and the band loves to sit back and watch matt during his drum solos.

quit whinging about setlists, regardless of what tour it is.

cuyler41

10 club dosnt fill the arena,

Most people don't go to three shows, The Others want to hear those songs. PJ have so many songs to chose from now, imposible to please everybody.

CopTheRiotAct

Sydney 2 was lacking the hits, and the crowd was bad.. without hits all through it, some crowds just lose energy..

I didnt think DTE/Evenflow needed to be played all 12 times though.. Most of the people complaining probably werent at the shows, and are just wanting more different bootlegs.

heyjose

Murder wrote:

Sydney 2 was lacking the hits, and the crowd was bad.. without hits all through it, some crowds just lose energy..

I didnt think DTE/Evenflow needed to be played all 12 times though.. Most of the people complaining probably werent at the shows, and are just wanting more different bootlegs.

You're right. I know the band are still feeling these songs, and Even Flow, GTF, Evolution and what have you have all gone off each time, but there must be some consideration in it for the masses, adding to the reason they get played so often.

I do wish the sets pre-Sydney 3 had included more of the lesser-played songs, but the shows since seem to have made up for that!

Perth could be more of a greatest hits show considering it's the only one in that city. Hope not. I'm dying to hear In Hiding!!!

freewheelin3

i dont know why people think super rare songs make for a better setlist... also i value the rare songs i got at sydney 1 (i got id, greivance, release) over anything that got played at adelaide 2...

sure, im excited they busted out NAIS etc, but for me its the quality of the song been played and its flow in the setlist, rather than the scarcity of it..

Zoso

the early sets in australia were rather boring and were hits and new songs heavy but Newcastle onwards they have seemed to have picked up the rare ones and less newer songs.

InJuddsTree

pearl jam setlists arent 'boring'. i dont get all this 'boring' business.

Zoso

InJuddsTree wrote:

pearl jam setlists arent 'boring'. i dont get all this 'boring' business.

will not boring thats the wrong word I take that back.... just simialr to the early American leg 1 shows sets. Any pj set is good but some are sensational.

jeff's_the_man

ok lets do the math a bit here. lets say we take a city like adelaide. around 7,000 people rock up. 1000 tops (im being generous) are hardcore fans that know almost everything. the rest are there for the hits. i think they do a tremendous job of keeping the setlists mixed up to keep the hardcore fans happy and playing the hits that the other 85% of the crowd want to hear. your going to get alive, jeremy, evenflow etc when you go to a pearl jam show, cause they are the songs that made them the success that they are. to be honest i think the moment you start complaining about setlists that contain to many of the hits is the moment you have seen to many pearl jam shows.

Zoso

jeff's_the_man wrote:

ok lets do the math a bit here. lets say we take a city like adelaide. around 7,000 people rock up. 1000 tops (im being generous) are hardcore fans that know almost everything. the rest are there for the hits. i think they do a tremendous job of keeping the setlists mixed up to keep the hardcore fans happy and playing the hits that the other 85% of the crowd want to hear. your going to get alive, jeremy, evenflow etc when you go to a pearl jam show, cause they are the songs that made them the success that they are. to be honest i think the moment you start complaining about setlists that contain to many of the hits is the moment you have seen to many pearl jam shows.

people say 2006 they havent played the best sets but i think they have been the best ever.

InJuddsTree

Zoso wrote:

people say 2006 they havent played the best sets but i think they have been the best ever.

i 100% agree.

TroubledSoul

boozm wrote:

so im almost dreading the moments where they are playing footsteps or blood and im singing my head out and these guys dont recognise the tune at all... they probably wont even know corduroy or given to fly!

"dreading" that they play footsteps? oh dear. luckily for your sake they played it in newcastle so it is unlikely to be played in perth. phew.

if these people dont know corduroy and gtf then what ARE they going to know? alive, flow, betterman and daughter only? surely if people only know 4 songs... and they assume that a band will play more than 4 songs a night, then mathematics and logic tells them that there will be about 20 more songs they dont know!

pearljammonkey

yep agreed. even just for the addition if the avocado songs - I SAID YEAAHH

TroubledSoul

Zoso wrote:

people say 2006 they havent played the best sets but i think they have been the best ever.

hell yes. i have been amazed night in night out. every show there has been a surprise.

E.K

InJuddsTree wrote:

pearl jam setlists arent 'boring'. i dont get all this 'boring' business.

Exactly.. there is nothing 'boring' about Pearl Jam.

ZimzuM

Melbourne 1 - Best of
Melbourne 2 - For the fans

Better crowd - Melbourne 2 by far

heyjose

freewheelin3 wrote:

i dont know why people think super rare songs make for a better setlist... also i value the rare songs i got at sydney 1 (i got id, greivance, release) over anything that got played at adelaide 2...

sure, im excited they busted out NAIS etc, but for me its the quality of the song been played and its flow in the setlist, rather than the scarcity of it..

Yeah for me, it's a combination of it all. The diversity. All the things which make Pearl Jam so good live, over and above any other band. I really dig a great vibe between band and crowd as well.

And Joe, NAIS was perfect! Each of the rarer songs have been spot on! Including Undone!

not4u

the setlists look pretty great

illegal pants

everyone's summed it up pretty well

i can't imagine NOT being surprised and in awe with each show

i think the moment you start complaining about setlists that contain to many of the hits is the moment you have seen to many pearl jam shows.

spot on

pjamaholic

Zim^zuM wrote:

Melbourne 1 - Best of
Melbourne 2 - For the fans

Better crowd - Melbourne 2 by far

Well said, but Melb 3 was the best concert I've ever been to in my life (and that includes top bands such as U2 and Pink Floyd). The thing is, PJ have bent over backwards to do the right thing by all this tour. Somehow, for instance, they got wind of the fact that people wanted to hear Leash, so they pulled it out of the hat and played it at Melb 2. If they played all hits at one concert, there'd be someone complaining they didn't play any rarities. If they played all rarities, there'd be bitching and whingeing and moaning that they didn't play enough hits. The way I see it, they'd managed to play both plenty of hits and rarities over the last week and a half.

As for NAIS, I heard a superb rendition of this in 2003 at a Melbourne concert with an incredible solo by Mike, however with many of the fans on this MB complaining that they don't like it, maybe PJ found out and decided only to do it once to see how it went down.

The way I see it, we've been spoilt. I couldn't be happier with PJ (my only problem is my husband - he put his foot down and wouldn't let me go interstate to see them so I had to be content with 3 Melbourne concerts, all of them were superb). I was happy with the 3 crowds too, didn't have a problem with Melb 1 though I was in a 10 club seat on the floor and the crowd really rocked from this perspective.

If I had my way, PJ would play a concert full of Lost Dogs songs, but this is unlikely ever to happen. A Ten Club concert per city each in a small venue would be the way to go, imo, but somehow I doubt this will happen too. Why? I dont know. Maybe a petition is the way to go from ALL the 10 club members in respective cities for the next time they decide to come out. It could simply be that such concerts would be too expensive to produce. I guess we'll never know unless we broach it with the 10 club.

It's beyond me how any one could contemplate that PJ could be "boring". It may be a little repetitive hearing so many of the songs so often, consider this - don't go at all then you won't get sick of the same songs being played. PJ not only have a responsibility to keep 10 Club members happy, they have to please the casual fans as well, after all there are more of them than us.

LeatherMosquitoMan

InJuddsTree wrote:

i 100% agree.

And i second that

Roeghmann

reborncareerist wrote:

, they must be tired as fuck of Alive.

I don´t think so, in my ears Alive sounds more alive than ever on this tour, it actually sounds like the band likes playing the tune.
God I lov to hear it.

boozm

TroubledSoul wrote:

"dreading" that they play footsteps? oh dear. luckily for your sake they played it in newcastle so it is unlikely to be played in perth. phew.

if these people dont know corduroy and gtf then what ARE they going to know? alive, flow, betterman and daughter only? surely if people only know 4 songs... and they assume that a band will play more than 4 songs a night, then mathematics and logic tells them that there will be about 20 more songs they dont know!

i said 'almost' dreading!!

well when i went back in 2003 i knew all the songs on Ten and all the songs on Binaural just because I bought those albums but knew nearly nothing else... I was even wondering why everyone could singalong to Small Town! When I bought the ticket I just sort of thought 'Pearl Jam? I should check them out'

Anyway, regardless of the fact that I knew hardly any songs I was still totally amazed by the vibe of the concert and have been buying boots online ever since! I guess that's why so many people still rock up to Pearl jam shows and they still get so many new fans.

By the way, from Binaural I think I only got God's Dice! A weaker track for me :P