The ocean is full

Karts

This is the scariest political climate I have ever been in. I'm not white and am increasingly convinced this is not my country. Whenever in doubt, I turn to Pearl Jam's music to help me. They really did in 2003 and I hoped it would never come to anything near that again. But here we are, and it is worse. Music, the very home I retreat to for escape, was attacked. The retaliation has been worse. Please help us all make it through

corduroykelly

Vote Trump 2016!

a5pj

corduroykelly said:

Vote Trump 2016!

Trump wants to sleep with his own daughter.

SVRDhand13

corduroykelly said:

Vote Trump 2016!

Trump is the reason this is the scariest political climate ever.

HesCalledDyer

Karts said:

This is the scariest political climate I have ever been in. I'm not white and am increasingly convinced this is not my country.

I AM white and am increasingly convinced this is not my country, either. I can't imagine what it's like to be non-white, or female, in this country right now.

And Trump is a fucking buffoon.

given2fly23

This is in the wrong forum, but people being afraid to walk down the street for fear of being attacked is not a laughing matter, whether they are white, black or brown. Trump and Cruz have set our country back a century and this will take generations to repair.

corduroykelly

I don't know what that even means. This is not my country. Just ask President Obama for more free shit that way it will feel more like yours.

Leezestarr313

It feels like this is not just the case in America. The world has come undone...

Zod

Why don't you guys all get republican party memberships so you can at least make sure he doesn't win at the primaries? defect from the party after the vote?

Hopefully things turn out ok for you guys. Here in Canada it feels like a breath of fresh air after the last election. Our last P.M. seemed to have tunnel vision and didn't seem to embrace many of the things we identify as Canadian. Our new P.M. seems a little old school Canadian. The only problem so far is the amount of people asking for money is insane. At some point he's going to learn how to say no

corduroykelly

Zod said:

Why don't you guys all get republican party memberships so you can at least make sure he doesn't win at the primaries? defect from the party after the vote?

Hopefully things turn out ok for you guys. Here in Canada it feels like a breath of fresh air after the last election. Our last P.M. seemed to have tunnel vision and didn't seem to embrace many of the things we identify as Canadian. Our new P.M. seems a little old school Canadian. The only problem so far is the amount of people asking for money is insane. At some point he's going to learn how to say no

That's what's going on here with President Obama everyone wants more free shit. Change won't come from Hillary Clinton. It's more of the same.

rgambs

corduroykelly said:

Zod said:

Why don't you guys all get republican party memberships so you can at least make sure he doesn't win at the primaries? defect from the party after the vote?

Hopefully things turn out ok for you guys. Here in Canada it feels like a breath of fresh air after the last election. Our last P.M. seemed to have tunnel vision and didn't seem to embrace many of the things we identify as Canadian. Our new P.M. seems a little old school Canadian. The only problem so far is the amount of people asking for money is insane. At some point he's going to learn how to say no

That's what's going on here with President Obama everyone wants more free shit. Change won't come from Hillary Clinton. It's more of the same.

Far, far better than the change Trump would bring. He is becoming the biggest embarrassment America has to offer.

DPrival78

hard to have any faith in the system anymore. it's broken and corrupt beyond repair at this point.

given2fly23

rgambs said:

He is becoming the biggest embarrassment America has to offer.

Hard to figure out whether he is more embarrassing or his supporters. At least he is the puppet master.

rgambs

given2fly23 said:

rgambs said:

He is becoming the biggest embarrassment America has to offer.

Hard to figure out whether he is more embarrassing or his supporters. At least he is the puppet master.

A good point. He's holding up a mirror and the only thing reflecting back is...I dunno...like an infected armpit hair...or maybe an extreme close-up of a snotty nose.

JimmyV

He is the political equivalent of the Kardashians.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

He is the political equivalent of the Kardashians.

Yes. A thousand times yes. Scary stuff.

Zod

DPrival78 said:

hard to have any faith in the system anymore. it's broken and corrupt beyond repair at this point.

I'm an outside looking in, but the way I see it is that America was formed because the British Monarchy dictated how the colonies were run. In a response to that oppression by the Monarchy and British Aristrocrats the colonies rebelled and formed their own country.

It seems like Corporations have become what the British Monarchy was. They have their tentacles so engrained in the political process that most decisions seemed to be made on how it benefits big business in America. Decisions aren't decided on how it best benefits the American people.

I'm not sure how the founders of America would feel about that.

brianlux

Karts said:

This is the scariest political climate I have ever been in. I'm not white and am increasingly convinced this is not my country. Whenever in doubt, I turn to Pearl Jam's music to help me. They really did in 2003 and I hoped it would never come to anything near that again. But here we are, and it is worse. Music, the very home I retreat to for escape, was attacked. The retaliation has been worse. Please help us all make it through

I'm not even sure what defines a country other than arbitrary political borders that, most of the time, are totally fabricated. We have disassociated ourselves from nature to the point that we recognize these artificial boundaries more than we do ecosystems. We live in a world of our own making and ignore the cycles and balances of nature much to our own demise.

But I digress. It sounds like you are feeling discriminated against because you are non-white and I'm sorry to hear that. We whites are the real minority and would be wise to recognize that. But that doesn't help your situation right now so the best I can do is wish you well. Racism is archaic and counterproductive. It needs to end.

I'm curious as to who you mean by your music being attacked. What happened?

jeffbr

Zod said:

DPrival78 said:

hard to have any faith in the system anymore. it's broken and corrupt beyond repair at this point.

I'm an outside looking in, but the way I see it is that America was formed because the British Monarchy dictated how the colonies were run. In a response to that oppression by the Monarchy and British Aristrocrats the colonies rebelled and formed their own country.

It seems like Corporations have become what the British Monarchy was. They have their tentacles so engrained in the political process that most decisions seemed to be made on how it benefits business.

I'm not sure how the founders of America would feel about that.

Good point. Corporations are the equivalent of the British Monarchy. Our beltway insider congress critters in Washington D.C. are the American Aristocrats, bought and paid for by the corporations.

I'm sure the founders would be in favor of a revolution. They saw revolution as a valid solution to achieve self-determination. I'm up for it. Our system has failed us. Our experiment with being a democratic republic has failed It is time to look at a new model where people actually have power. It is time for revolution. Voting for any candidate currently running from either party is a vote to continue to go down the rabbit hole. Time to hit the reset button. Time to try a new experiment with real democracy. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, but I'd love to see it.

dmaradona10

If Trump wins the Republican ticket I will start to worry about it. Until then he's just a buffoon.

given2fly23

brianlux said:

I'm curious as to who you mean by your music being attacked. What happened?

He may be referencing the EODM Bataclan attack. It hit me really hard as live music/concerts are a sanctuary for me. The next show I went to after that, I couldn't help but fear that situation happening again.

dmaradona10 said:

If Trump wins the Republican ticket I will start to worry about it. Until then he's just a buffoon.

The biggest threat isnt him winning (unlikely), it's what his rhetoric is inspiring, which is ignorance and hate throughout the country. It's making it socially acceptable to be racist and all these idiots attacking muslims (and non-muslims) and mosques. We have another year of victims ahead. Unfortunately there are so many people in this country who are unhappy with their lives that they have no value for their own lives or the lives of others, and Trump and Cruz are fueling it.

corduroykelly

At least Trump is out spoken not a liar like Hillary Clinton, e mails, Benghazi, political correctness refusing to call terrorists, terrorists.

ComeToTX

corduroykelly said:

At least Trump is out spoken not a liar like Hillary Clinton, e mails, Benghazi, political correctness refusing to call terrorists, terrorists.

Trump doesn't lie? Please!

given2fly23

ComeToTX said:

Trump doesn't lie? Please!

It's hard to believe that anyone could hear him speak and not realize how full of shit he is, but that is the environment we live in. Fear is easily manipulated.

eddiec

corduroykelly said:

I don't know what that even means. This is not my country. Just ask President Obama for more free shit that way it will feel more like yours.

Ted Cruz just said this: 'But I'll tell you, you know who I'm concerned about? I'm concerned about the single mom waiting tables right now, who for seven years of the Obama economy has been trapped in stagnation. Her wages have been stagnating. It's harder and harder to make ends meet.'

So what free shit are you talking about?

brianlux

corduroykelly said:

At least Trump is out spoken not a liar like Hillary Clinton, e mails, Benghazi, political correctness refusing to call terrorists, terrorists.

I'm not a big Hillary fan either but what you say here is at least arguable and certainly irrelevant. Not voting for either one. Besides, could be some truth that Trump is a false flag for Hillary.

But again, we digress. The issues here, if I see it right, are racism and attacks on music as sanctuary from the insanity. I like Karts plea to "Please help us all make it through". Maybe we can talk about how to do that.

muskydan

given2fly23 said:

This is in the wrong forum, but people being afraid to walk down the street for fear of being attacked is not a laughing matter, whether they are white, black or brown. Trump and Cruz have set our country back a century and this will take generations to repair.

HA,HA,HA Pretty tough living there in Evanston aye?

given2fly23

muskydan said:

HA,HA,HA Pretty tough living there in Evanston aye?

Not sure what you mean by that.

brianlux

"...cause everyone's crying".

And well we should be for what is going down in the world these days.

muskydan

given2fly23 said:

muskydan said:

HA,HA,HA Pretty tough living there in Evanston aye?

Not sure what you mean by that.

Evanston must have gotten pretty bad where you cannot walk down the street w/o being in fear of being attacked. Eddie Mueler would be really disappointed to hear that

given2fly23

muskydan said:

Evanston must have gotten pretty bad where you cannot walk down the street w/o being in fear of being attacked. Eddie Mueler would be really disappointed to hear that

So because it hasn't happened to me (yet) I shouldnt care about it? I shouldnt care that someone's Sikh father or grandfather gets assaulted by some ignorant asshole for wearing a turban?