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wecrazybobwecrazybob Posts: 1,027
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Wow, can't believe I've never heard this show. That was incredible!
Toledo, Oh 09-22-96, Chicago, Illinois 06-29-98, Portland, Oregon 07-18-98, Vancouver, British Columbia 07-19-98, Seattle 07-21-98, Seattle 07-22-98, Noblesville, Indiana 08-17-98, East Lansing, Michigan 08-18-98, Barrie, Ontario 08-22-98, Auburn Hills, Michigan 08-23-98, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 08-25-98, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 08-26-98, Camden, Camden, New Jersey 08-28-98 Camden, New Jersey 08-29-98,Knoxville, Tennessee 09-06-98, Columbia, Maryland 09-18-98,Mountain View, California 10-30-99,Mountain View, California 10-31-99, Virginia Beach, Virginia 08-03-00,Charlotte, North Carolina 08-04-00,Greensboro, North Carolina 08-06-00, Atlanta, Georgia 08-07-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-09-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-10-00,Tampa, Florida 08-12-00,New Orleans, Louisiana 08-14-00,Memphis, Tennessee 08-15-00,Nashville, Tennessee 08-17-00, Noblesville, Indiana 08-18-00,Cincinnati, Ohio 08-20-00,Columbus, Ohio 08-21-00, Wantagh, New York 08-23-00, Wantagh, New York 08-24-00,Wantagh, New York 08-25-00, Saratoga Springs, New York 08-27-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-29-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-30-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-01-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-02-00,Columbia, Maryland 09-04-00,Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 09-05-00,Auburn Hills, Michigan 10-07-00, East Troy, Wisconsin 10-08-00,Chicago, Illinois 10-09-00,Cleveland, Ohio 04-25-03,Columbus, Ohio 06-24-03,Kitchener, ON 09-11-05, London, ON 9-12-05,Hamilton, ON 9-13-05,Cincinnati, Ohio 06-24-06, Chicago, Illinois 7-19-13, Cincinnati, Ohio 10-01-14, St. Louis, Missouri 10-03-14, Memphis, Tennessee 10-14-14,Detroit, Michigan 10-16-14, Moline, Illinois 10-17-14, Columbia SC 4-21-16 , Lexington KY 4-26-16, Philadelphia PA 4-28-16, Philadelphia PA 4-29-16, Boston 8-5-16 , Boston 8-7-16 Chicago 8-20-16, Chicago 8-22-16, Seattle 8-8-18, Seattle 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18, Chicago 8-18-18, Chicago 8-20-18, Boston 9-2-18, Boston 9-4-18
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    shanemcnshanemcn Thief River Falls, MN Posts: 15
    That was my first show, and the next night too!
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    Vault 1 has my vote for best vault ever.
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 6,984
    edited December 2015
    #3 is my favorite of the 3 vinyl releases. It may edge out #2 as well. But #5 is really good. I think they did a great job with it. I love the packaging for this series too. Hopefully people's vinyl looks and sounds good. Mine is flawless and quiet.

    If they drop a 95 or 96 show for this series it will undoubtedly become my number 1. Hopefully its in the cards for #6
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I would like to start getting sourcing and mastering info for these vault releases, specifically the LP's
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    edited December 2015
    Tim Simmons said:

    #3 is my favorite of the 3 vinyl releases. It may edge out #2 as well. But #5 is really good. I think they did a great job with it. I love the packaging for this series too. Hopefully people's vinyl looks and sounds good. Mine is flawless and quiet.

    If they drop a 95 or 96 show for this series it will undoubtedly become my number 1. Hopefully its in the cards for #6

    I m all for a 95/96 show! And if someone has an extra vault 1 they d like to send my way.....
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,321
    Short answer: no
    Long answer: best vault ever surely does not apply to a show that's been available for years in soundboard quality, it's kind of a lazy release just like Vault 4 (but at least that one was not ever sold before).. it's a good show, and I understand you're saying this with enthusiasm just after listening for the first time to a SBD quality show from the rage years of this great rock band.. but totally no, I would say it's the worst out of the five.. I was very happy with the first three (even with the damned missing songs), but these last two have been a total bummer.. vault shows should be special releases of shows never circulated before in decent SBD quality, or even better never heard at all.. am I the only one thinking this way?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    Jammalambo said:

    Short answer: no
    Long answer: best vault ever surely does not apply to a show that's been available for years in soundboard quality, it's kind of a lazy release just like Vault 4 (but at least that one was not ever sold before).. it's a good show, and I understand you're saying this with enthusiasm just after listening for the first time to a SBD quality show from the rage years of this great rock band.. but totally no, I would say it's the worst out of the five.. I was very happy with the first three (even with the damned missing songs), but these last two have been a total bummer.. vault shows should be special releases of shows never circulated before in decent SBD quality, or even better never heard at all.. am I the only one thinking this way?

    I agree with you to a point. If you weren't a trader in the 90's then you had no clue that vault #5 was a great soundboard boot plus we don't have an official boot from 1993.
    I totally agree with you that vault #4 was beyond lazy as we have 72 official bootlegs from 2000.

    I'd love to see a vault released that we don't have the best sounding boot for (randall's island, any another 96 show except for berlin, 98 except for melbourne or seattle) but I doubt that it is going to happen. Vault #6 i'm guessing will be something from 04 or 07 but fingers crossed it's 95-96.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,986
    Strictly speaking of the tonal quality of PJ'S instruments, I think 92-94 gave us the best sounding live shows.

    I really dig the later years for the increased library, banter and set-list diversity.

    Really though, I'm happy with just about anything that they release on vinyl.
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    PJ-CubsPJ-Cubs Posts: 3,293
    For me, nothing tops the show at the Vic for a Vault release. Wish they would release it on vinyl.
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    JB198244JB198244 Western NY Posts: 47
    Great sound, just wish I had a better setup to do it even more justice.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,149
    MedozK said:

    Vault 1 has my vote for best vault ever.

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    wecrazybobwecrazybob Posts: 1,027
    The fact that you can pop on the 95 Christmas single to finish the show... NICE TOUCH!
    Toledo, Oh 09-22-96, Chicago, Illinois 06-29-98, Portland, Oregon 07-18-98, Vancouver, British Columbia 07-19-98, Seattle 07-21-98, Seattle 07-22-98, Noblesville, Indiana 08-17-98, East Lansing, Michigan 08-18-98, Barrie, Ontario 08-22-98, Auburn Hills, Michigan 08-23-98, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 08-25-98, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 08-26-98, Camden, Camden, New Jersey 08-28-98 Camden, New Jersey 08-29-98,Knoxville, Tennessee 09-06-98, Columbia, Maryland 09-18-98,Mountain View, California 10-30-99,Mountain View, California 10-31-99, Virginia Beach, Virginia 08-03-00,Charlotte, North Carolina 08-04-00,Greensboro, North Carolina 08-06-00, Atlanta, Georgia 08-07-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-09-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-10-00,Tampa, Florida 08-12-00,New Orleans, Louisiana 08-14-00,Memphis, Tennessee 08-15-00,Nashville, Tennessee 08-17-00, Noblesville, Indiana 08-18-00,Cincinnati, Ohio 08-20-00,Columbus, Ohio 08-21-00, Wantagh, New York 08-23-00, Wantagh, New York 08-24-00,Wantagh, New York 08-25-00, Saratoga Springs, New York 08-27-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-29-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-30-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-01-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-02-00,Columbia, Maryland 09-04-00,Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 09-05-00,Auburn Hills, Michigan 10-07-00, East Troy, Wisconsin 10-08-00,Chicago, Illinois 10-09-00,Cleveland, Ohio 04-25-03,Columbus, Ohio 06-24-03,Kitchener, ON 09-11-05, London, ON 9-12-05,Hamilton, ON 9-13-05,Cincinnati, Ohio 06-24-06, Chicago, Illinois 7-19-13, Cincinnati, Ohio 10-01-14, St. Louis, Missouri 10-03-14, Memphis, Tennessee 10-14-14,Detroit, Michigan 10-16-14, Moline, Illinois 10-17-14, Columbia SC 4-21-16 , Lexington KY 4-26-16, Philadelphia PA 4-28-16, Philadelphia PA 4-29-16, Boston 8-5-16 , Boston 8-7-16 Chicago 8-20-16, Chicago 8-22-16, Seattle 8-8-18, Seattle 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18, Chicago 8-18-18, Chicago 8-20-18, Boston 9-2-18, Boston 9-4-18
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    RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,625
    Jammalambo said:

    Short answer: no
    Long answer: best vault ever surely does not apply to a show that's been available for years in soundboard quality, it's kind of a lazy release just like Vault 4 (but at least that one was not ever sold before).. it's a good show, and I understand you're saying this with enthusiasm just after listening for the first time to a SBD quality show from the rage years of this great rock band.. but totally no, I would say it's the worst out of the five.. I was very happy with the first three (even with the damned missing songs), but these last two have been a total bummer.. vault shows should be special releases of shows never circulated before in decent SBD quality, or even better never heard at all.. am I the only one thinking this way?

    This is 100% correct. I didn't bother buying Vaults 4 or 5. The best of this series so far has been the Vic Theatre show and the 1998 DC show.
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    mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,026
    dudeman said:

    Strictly speaking of the tonal quality of PJ'S instruments, I think 92-94 gave us the best sounding live shows.

    Disagree. Dave had a horrible drum sound live. Really trashy, too tight and the overuse of cymbals just hurts ears. Good drummer, horrible sound. Jack and Matt have a much smoother more natural sound.
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    choopchoop Posts: 1,060
    mcgruff10 said:

    Vault #6 i'm guessing will be something from 04 or 07 but fingers crossed it's 95-96.

    i thought 10C has been on record saying they can't release anything from 04 because of legalities.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,106
    edited December 2015
    Best Vault ever would be Copenhagen 2007.
    mrk2 said:

    dudeman said:

    Strictly speaking of the tonal quality of PJ'S instruments, I think 92-94 gave us the best sounding live shows.

    Disagree. Dave had a horrible drum sound live. Really trashy, too tight and the overuse of cymbals just hurts ears. Good drummer, horrible sound. Jack and Matt have a much smoother more natural sound.
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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,986
    mrk2 said:

    dudeman said:

    Strictly speaking of the tonal quality of PJ'S instruments, I think 92-94 gave us the best sounding live shows.

    Disagree. Dave had a horrible drum sound live. Really trashy, too tight and the overuse of cymbals just hurts ears. Good drummer, horrible sound. Jack and Matt have a much smoother more natural sound.
    That's precisely what I like about them.

    I love all of them but the early years have a rawness and dirt that really does it for me.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,891
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    MedozK said:

    Vault 1 has my vote for best vault ever.

    I go Vault 1 just because it was so surprising to be handed a boot when walking into PJ20
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    edited December 2015
    Vic theatre is my fave, but I actually like them all. Not sure why people are so down on Vault 4 btw. I really like it. I like that Eddie is so pissy at that show, lol. And I love that Binaural is played in its entirety for the first and last time (out of order).
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,420
    I'm with ya, Alli. I love Vault 4! Now, that might be because the Binaural tour was the first time I saw them live but I think it's a great release. I guess most of the folks that grumble about it aren't vinyl collectors bc the reason I keep seeing is "we already have 72 shows from that tour." Yes, yes we do. But not on vinyl.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    choop said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Vault #6 i'm guessing will be something from 04 or 07 but fingers crossed it's 95-96.

    i thought 10C has been on record saying they can't release anything from 04 because of legalities.
    oh really? I didn't know that. I wonder why?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited December 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    Vic theatre is my fave, but I actually like them all. Not sure why people are so down on Vault 4 btw. I really like it. I like that Eddie is so pissy at that show, lol. And I love that Binaural is played in its entirety for the first and last time (out of order).

    I'm pretty sure it's missing 3 songs from Binaural

    Sleight Of Hand
    Rival
    Parting Ways

    close enough though, and I really like the release
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    EchoesOnMarsEchoesOnMars Reading, Pennsylvania Posts: 422
    Its a good show, but not alot of standouts beyond the encore, that version of Deep has the best screaming ive ever heard though in its history
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    mwplummwplum Posts: 1,517
    Still eagerly awaiting its arrival in Vancouver
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    my2hands said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Vic theatre is my fave, but I actually like them all. Not sure why people are so down on Vault 4 btw. I really like it. I like that Eddie is so pissy at that show, lol. And I love that Binaural is played in its entirety for the first and last time (out of order).

    I'm pretty sure it's missing 3 songs from Binaural

    Sleight Of Hand
    Rival
    Parting Ways

    close enough though, and I really like the release
    Oh yeah, you're right (know what's weird? That 10C actually specifically pointed out that the whole album was played at this show when they announced the Vault release... I guess that stuck with me).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    dudemandudeman Posts: 2,986
    PJ_Soul said:

    Vic theatre is my fave, but I actually like them all. Not sure why people are so down on Vault 4 btw. I really like it. I like that Eddie is so pissy at that show, lol. And I love that Binaural is played in its entirety for the first and last time (out of order).

    The Vic is really great. I'd love to have it on vinyl, though. My wife and I were at the show and Eddie did a great "opening act" set that was really, really good. I'd love to see that set make it onto an official release.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    edited December 2015
    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Vic theatre is my fave, but I actually like them all. Not sure why people are so down on Vault 4 btw. I really like it. I like that Eddie is so pissy at that show, lol. And I love that Binaural is played in its entirety for the first and last time (out of order).

    The Vic is really great. I'd love to have it on vinyl, though. My wife and I were at the show and Eddie did a great "opening act" set that was really, really good. I'd love to see that set make it onto an official release.
    For sure! I am really really hoping 10C decides to give us Vaults 1 and 2 on vinyl! The set feels so incomplete without them, and I want to hear them on my system instead of on my mp3 player.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,149
    I'd prefer the Legacy reissues get moving first.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    I'd prefer the Legacy reissues get moving first.

    I don't see why they can't do both at the same time. They already have the recordings and the style and everything worked out for the Vaults. They'd just have to do a presale and send the files over to the manufacturer.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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    front spacerfront spacer Earth Posts: 3,246
    PJ-Cubs said:

    For me, nothing tops the show at the Vic for a Vault release. Wish they would release it on vinyl.

    That Vic show had a feel and sound similiar to the Benaroya Hall show.
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