San Francisco, the influence of mega-wealth and the great divide.

The changes talked about in the article linked are difficult for me personally because I have strong ties to and for much of my life lived near and/or in San Francisco since the early 50's. But this is about far more than just my own personal feelings. A key point is in the article that illustrates a growing divide:

"This sort of change is hardly limited to San Francisco; cities everywhere are experiencing surges in inequality and an influx of mega-wealth."

I didn't want to make this too long by copying the entire article but it goes on to talk about the various ways in which the tech industry and Airbnb are laying siege to this once great city and how racism is playing a roll as well (I know, your thinking "racism in San Francisco?" Oh yeah! Read at the link). :frowning:

Something to think about, for sure.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/03/the_fate_of_san_francisco_hangs_in_the_balance_the_pivotal_election_day_contests_that_could_change_everything/

"I love many things about living in New York City, but one thing I hate is that I can no longer vote in my hometown, San Francisco. Elections in New York area boring. Elections in San Francisco really matter. Thanks to the city’s small size and the unbelievable ease with which propositions can be put on the ballot, voters have a great deal of power in their hands.

Today’s elections in San Francisco have come around at a particularly intense time. The civil war taking place there over the reach and influence of the tech industry has become an international story. From the soccer field face-off between some Dropbox bros and local kids, to Airbnb’s recent cartoon-villain ads that got the company into so much trouble, to those Google bus protests, everyone has been given a front-row seat to what is happening to the City by the Bay—where, as the New York Times chillingly put it this week, there is so much money sloshing around that “the days when a regular family could raise children here are probably over.”

This sort of change is hardly limited to San Francisco; cities everywhere are experiencing surges in inequality and an influx of mega-wealth. But San Francisco has been chosen as the epicenter of the tech industry, and so it has been subjected to a particularly rapacious transformation. If you are from there, you can sense it almost instantly.

This is actually the second time that tech has brought this sort of turmoil to San Francisco. The first dot-com boom at the turn of the 21st century was similarly contentious. (This is where I disclose that my family was evicted from our house during that period by owners who wanted desperately to raise the rent, which they duly did.) But that was nothing compared to what is happening now. There’s a very good reason for that: The technology industry is now so integral to our lives that it’s not going anywhere any time soon.

I don’t know what it feels like for people from other cities to experience the kind of dislocation that is roiling San Francisco, but I am very aware of the specific feeling that comes from seeing this particular place be so dramatically altered.

San Francisco is small. Even the lengthiest journeys take about a half hour in the car. This means that, if you grow up there, or if you live there for any extended period of time, essentially every part of the city leaves its mark on you. You experience every neighborhood in some form or another. People from San Francisco have a particularly intimate relationship with their city.

So when you see what is happening in San Francisco—when you gaze open-mouthed at the vast pockets of money that have colonized places you once adored and turned them virtually unrecognizable—it is deeply, almost startlingly unsettling. It only becomes more unsettling when you are then told that your hidebound anti-development ways are the cause of the problem. (This is not true, by the way.) People are freaked out about what is taking place in San Francisco because they feel like this city that nurtured them and understood them and loved them back has been ripped from them overnight and given to people with no understanding of what they’ve done."

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  • My sister lived in Sonoma in the early 2000's. I went for a visit and complained about the traffic. She told me they won't build bigger roads so they wouldn't encourage more building. Instead the outlining communities or cities were built and becoming "bedroom" communities.

    Her rent was ridiculous back then too. I see why people have to pay $900 for a closet.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    My sister lived in Sonoma in the early 2000's. I went for a visit and complained about the traffic. She told me they won't build bigger roads so they wouldn't encourage more building. Instead the outlining communities or cities were built and becoming "bedroom" communities.

    Her rent was ridiculous back then too. I see why people have to pay $900 for a closet.

    I lived in Kenwood (near Sonoma) for a couple of years in the late 80's in a tiny ramshackle cottage near a creek. That little one bedroom cottage would be well out of my price range today.

    I got to thinking about this situation in S.F. this morning and it dawned on me that this is yet another reason to see "Soylant Green" as a hugely prophetic movie. In that film a small percentage of the population live in extreme luxury while the masses live in crowed abject poverty. Seems we are headed in that direction.

    Oh, and be careful what you eat. :wink:
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I interned in San Fran and they offered me a job afterwards but it was too expensive then and that was 15 years ago.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    Same thing going on in Vancouver. It's getting really bad. The city is fast becoming unlivable for normal people. Soon people earning $50K a year are going to be considered to be living in poverty. Not sure where it's going to end up, but I can't see it working in the long run.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    PJ_Soul said:

    Same thing going on in Vancouver. It's getting really bad. The city is fast becoming unlivable for normal people. Soon people earning $50K a year are going to be considered to be living in poverty. Not sure where it's going to end up, but I can't see it working in the long run.

    I honestly believe we will be seeing more of this as the great divide widens. We're seeing it already- places like S.F., Vancouver, much of NYC, Zurich, Geneva and others where only the wealthiest can afford to live and where service worker will need to commute in from further and further away as they strive to catch some of the crumbs that fall from the tables of the wealthy.

    I'm not sure how long that can go on. Perhaps automation and robotics will allow it to continue until the ecosystem begins to fail miserably or perhaps when artificial intelligence and artificial life (which do not rely on an ecosystem) replaces biological life altogether.

    But this is the most pessimistic post I've laid down in some time. I really hope younger generations of people begin to see the value of cooperation and a more egalitarian society evolves.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited November 2015
    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Same thing going on in Vancouver. It's getting really bad. The city is fast becoming unlivable for normal people. Soon people earning $50K a year are going to be considered to be living in poverty. Not sure where it's going to end up, but I can't see it working in the long run.

    I honestly believe we will be seeing more of this as the great divide widens. We're seeing it already- places like S.F., Vancouver, much of NYC, Zurich, Geneva and others where only the wealthiest can afford to live and where service worker will need to commute in from further and further away as they strive to catch some of the crumbs that fall from the tables of the wealthy.

    I'm not sure how long that can go on. Perhaps automation and robotics will allow it to continue until the ecosystem begins to fail miserably or perhaps when artificial intelligence and artificial life (which do not rely on an ecosystem) replaces biological life altogether.

    But this is the most pessimistic post I've laid down in some time. I really hope younger generations of people begin to see the value of cooperation and a more egalitarian society evolves.
    I think most? of us youngins are just waiting for the old shrivs to loosen up their death clutch so we can do just that. Homesteading and communal gardening are reaching levels not seen since your heyday, and Bernie has serious legs with the youngest voting demographic.

    I quadrupled my growing space this fall and I have 50 blueberry bushes and 6 fruit trees coming in March. The rabbit hutch is ready and the henhouse will go up in May.
    There are so many of us that want to grow organic food and raise ethical protein, balance the economy and rights of all, and we are using the wide availability of wisdom to avoid the mistakes (miracle grow, round up, victory gardens, pesticides, republicans, religion, etc.) that the previous generation made out of laziness and/or lack of alternative info.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited November 2015
    That's all great, but I don't really see how any of that would fix the problem. What you're describing almost sounds more like a set up for non-rich people being driven out of cities completely and being forced to live off the grid and be farmers or something, and that is their BEST option. Meanwhile, the wealthy would continue to rule the world. That seems pretty awful to me! What you're talking about is more about environmental sustainability, but not economic sustainability or balance.
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  • Miracle grow is awesome.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Same thing going on in Vancouver. It's getting really bad. The city is fast becoming unlivable for normal people. Soon people earning $50K a year are going to be considered to be living in poverty. Not sure where it's going to end up, but I can't see it working in the long run.

    I honestly believe we will be seeing more of this as the great divide widens. We're seeing it already- places like S.F., Vancouver, much of NYC, Zurich, Geneva and others where only the wealthiest can afford to live and where service worker will need to commute in from further and further away as they strive to catch some of the crumbs that fall from the tables of the wealthy.

    I'm not sure how long that can go on. Perhaps automation and robotics will allow it to continue until the ecosystem begins to fail miserably or perhaps when artificial intelligence and artificial life (which do not rely on an ecosystem) replaces biological life altogether.

    But this is the most pessimistic post I've laid down in some time. I really hope younger generations of people begin to see the value of cooperation and a more egalitarian society evolves.
    I think most? of us youngins are just waiting for the old shrivs to loosen up their death clutch so we can do just that. Homesteading and communal gardening are reaching levels not seen since your heyday, and Bernie has serious legs with the youngest voting demographic.

    I quadrupled my growing space this fall and I have 50 blueberry bushes and 6 fruit trees coming in March. The rabbit hutch is ready and the henhouse will go up in May.
    There are so many of us that want to grow organic food and raise ethical protein, balance the economy and rights of all, and we are using the wide availability of wisdom to avoid the mistakes (miracle grow, round up, victory gardens, pesticides, republicans, religion, etc.) that the previous generation made out of laziness and/or lack of alternative info.
    Funny you should mention that- I ran into a fellow old shriv (LOL!) downtown today and we were talking about how great it is to see so many of the younger generations showing an interest in making the world a better place. It was hugely uplifting to be talking about things like that. I hope it comes to be.
    PJ_Soul said:

    That's all great, but I don't really see how any of that would fix the problem. What you're describing almost sounds more like a set up for non-rich people being driven out of cities completely and being forced to live off the grid and be farmers or something, and that is their BEST option. Meanwhile, the wealthy would continue to rule the world. That seems pretty awful to me! What you're talking about is more about environmental sustainability, but not economic sustainability or balance.

    That may happen as well but those providing what others need to sustain themselves might be able to hold the ace in their hand so-to-speak if they stay focused on their communities, stay healthy, and maintain interdependence. Living simply could prove to be the best way to go in the long run. But of course it's hard to say what will happen.
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    We're all doomed.

    I can't even begin to describe what's going on in my corner of the world and there's no mega wealthy here. They're building hotels and luxury residential buildings with zero infrastructure improvements. And I'm not complaining about the 20-50 year old neighborhood mom & pop shops that are being evicted but the fact that those buildings are being torn down to get 7-10 story residential buildings when there's no parking and no space to get on the train in the morning rush already.
    Now the councilman suggests they put tolls on all the east river crossings to reduce traffic, but really it's just a tax to keep the less than wealthy off the bridge and squished into a 100 year old subway that can't support us as of now.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    ldent42 said:

    We're all doomed.

    I laughed when I read this. So to the point. But I shouldn't laugh because I know how that feels. I've had my share of delving into doomology.
    ldent42 said:

    I can't even begin to describe what's going on in my corner of the world and there's no mega wealthy here. They're building hotels and luxury residential buildings with zero infrastructure improvements. And I'm not complaining about the 20-50 year old neighborhood mom & pop shops that are being evicted but the fact that those buildings are being torn down to get 7-10 story residential buildings when there's no parking and no space to get on the train in the morning rush already.
    Now the councilman suggests they put tolls on all the east river crossings to reduce traffic, but really it's just a tax to keep the less than wealthy off the bridge and squished into a 100 year old subway that can't support us as of now.

    Sounds like a classic clusterfuck. Developers don't give two shits about infrastructure, logic, or creating a general sense of security and well being. It's all about the money.

    The hope for urban development may lie in the logical, humane thinking of organization like New Urbansim. Their principle are stated here- worth checking out if you have time:

    http://www.newurbanism.org/newurbanism/principles.html



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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    brianlux said:

    ldent42 said:

    We're all doomed.

    I laughed when I read this. So to the point. But I shouldn't laugh because I know how that feels. I've had my share of delving into doomology.
    But I like making you laugh!
    b-lux said:
    The issue I see is the emphasis on walking kind of alienates the disabled who can't and need the ADA transport. But I might just be sensitive about that.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    Miracle grow is awesome.

    No, it isn't, anyone who grows with a smidge of knowledge knows that it is far too high in nitrogen and entirely devoid of essential micronutrients. This leads to big leafy plants that produce little fruit. It kills the microbes that are entirely essential, negating the tasty action of compost and it weakens the soil over time, leaving dirt that must be fertilized heavily to grow anything.The production process is filthy and an energy use nightmare.
    It sucks big time, I would literally get the same results from pissing on the plants.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:

    That's all great, but I don't really see how any of that would fix the problem. What you're describing almost sounds more like a set up for non-rich people being driven out of cities completely and being forced to live off the grid and be farmers or something, and that is their BEST option. Meanwhile, the wealthy would continue to rule the world. That seems pretty awful to me! What you're talking about is more about environmental sustainability, but not economic sustainability or balance.

    I think environmental and economic sustainability go hand in hand. I feel that western civilization is on a brink, we need to radically improve the way we live and treat each other or face economic, environmental, and war related disasters.
    I think keeping cities affordable may br missing the point, urbanization itself needs to be looked at. Though they will always be necessary as centers of knowledge and industry, large cities aren't as vital as they once were, and they keep the corporate system in power. We can elect progressive leaders, but that won't do enough unless we disrupt the very culture of consumerism that drives the mega wealthy.
    The way to do that is to get people out of supermarkets and big box stores and into the world. We need local supply chains and production on goods and foods to break up the wealth into smaller pieces pieces and spread it around.
    Making smart choices at wisely chosen stores inside San Francisco is a stopgap measure, it doesn't do anything to fix the situation.
    Not that we shouldn't fight corporatism and greed directly, but it won't be enough. When people get back in touch with the land, with their food and goods, and tune out of mainstream culture the economy will follow.
    Living simply is the only future I can see humanity having any success with.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Well this was a happy fun thread Bri,thanks
  • rgambs said:

    Miracle grow is awesome.

    No, it isn't, anyone who grows with a smidge of knowledge knows that it is far too high in nitrogen and entirely devoid of essential micronutrients. This leads to big leafy plants that produce little fruit. It kills the microbes that are entirely essential, negating the tasty action of compost and it weakens the soil over time, leaving dirt that must be fertilized heavily to grow anything.The production process is filthy and an energy use nightmare.
    It sucks big time, I would literally get the same results from pissing on the plants.
    Yeah, you would get nice tomatoes. Talk about getting in touch with the landhttp://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-09/fertilizer-future-might-be-closer-we-think

    My soil has been just fine and the rose bushes have never been healthier, 15yrs strong.
  • On San Fran, I grew up in the bay area and left in 2002 to move to AZ. Cost of living was a major reason. If San Fran doesn't fix this they will lose the thing drivig it, the tech companies. My company is a tech company and 100k employees strong with a massive campus in Palo Alto. They started scaling that campus down as they realized they could hire 2 employees in a different office (or 4 in a different country) for what it costs them for 1 employee in Palo Alto. Yelp as an example is one of the first to do this and has been slowely moving their corporate offices out of SF. I hope SF gets this right as it would be sad to see it lose what is making it thrive.
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    I grew up in San Francisco but by the time I went off to college I realized that other cities were better places to live if you were not rich. Houses were affordable in other cities!! In San Francisco, even 20 years ago, average people were "house poor" because housing used up most of their income.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Mr Lux, you might be old, but you are no shriv by any means!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    ldent42 said:

    brianlux said:

    ldent42 said:

    We're all doomed.

    I laughed when I read this. So to the point. But I shouldn't laugh because I know how that feels. I've had my share of delving into doomology.
    But I like making you laugh!
    b-lux said:
    The issue I see is the emphasis on walking kind of alienates the disabled who can't and need the ADA transport. But I might just be sensitive about that.
    You just did, again! :lol:

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    justam said:

    I grew up in San Francisco but by the time I went off to college I realized that other cities were better places to live if you were not rich. Houses were affordable in other cities!! In San Francisco, even 20 years ago, average people were "house poor" because housing used up most of their income.

    It's painful for me to watch what has happened to the Bay Area and San Francisco in one short life time. I grew up right on the border of Palo Alto and Mountain view. When me moved to our little cracker box house, my folks paid the enormous sum of $12,500 for the place. I just Zillowed it and it's estimated worth: $1.7 million. In 1971 I moved into a flat on the upper Haight with a view of the Golden Gate Bridge in the distance. Nice neighborhood, spacious three bedroom flat, garage, roof deck, backyard: $200 per month rent. None of my two to three roommates or I made much more that minimum wages. Different times.
    rgambs said:

    Mr Lux, you might be old, but you are no shriv by any means!

    Thank you, Gambs! :smiley:
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  • Brian were you there when Biafra ran for public office?!?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    Brian were you there when Biafra ran for public office?!?

    No, I lived in S.F. from 1969 through half of 1973. J.B. ran for mayor in the fall of '79, just months after I returned from a year in western NY state. It was wild because I had spent a year in rural NY and all of the sudden I'm back in my home state and its going very punk and Biafra is taking a vacuum cleaner to the streets and the changes were great and exciting! At that time, I was living down on the peninsula (Sunnyvale, Mountain View area) but my best buddy was living in the city and I spent a lot of time up there just loving the scene and going to great clubs- Mabuhay Gardens, The I-Beam, The Kabuki Club, and others . That was a great era in San Francisco before Big Money took it over.

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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    justam said:

    I grew up in San Francisco but by the time I went off to college I realized that other cities were better places to live if you were not rich. Houses were affordable in other cities!! In San Francisco, even 20 years ago, average people were "house poor" because housing used up most of their income.

    Last year in St Louis a cab driver told me his rent was less than half mine, and he gets a garage AND a laundry. I immediately started looking at housing costs out there :lol:
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I know Denver is suffering badly with this right now, and up in Estes Park people (many European immigrants) are paying 500$ a month for a couch to sleep on and a shower to use once a day. Yikes.
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