NBC Concerned about Jimmy Fallon's Excessive Drinking

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Lets start with this.....

Define alcoholic then functional on top of that.

An HFA (high-functioning alcoholic) is an alcoholic who is able to maintain his or her outside life, such as a job, home, family, and friendships, all while drinking alcoholically.

And being an alcoholic means that you are addicted to alcohol. I.e. if you don't drink you experience withdrawal symptoms.

So then, how does alcoholism manifest itself? What does addicted mean?

Curious to know what others think.

For my purposes in recovery I have a definition that works for me.

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Lets start with this.....

Define alcoholic then functional on top of that.

An HFA (high-functioning alcoholic) is an alcoholic who is able to maintain his or her outside life, such as a job, home, family, and friendships, all while drinking alcoholically.

And being an alcoholic means that you are addicted to alcohol. I.e. if you don't drink you experience withdrawal symptoms.

So then, how does alcoholism manifest itself? What does addicted mean?

Curious to know what others think.

For my purposes in recovery I have a definition that works for me.

I have no idea how alcoholism manifests itself... I believe it's proven that "resistance" to alcoholism or lack thereof is partially genetic. Some are simply more susceptible to becoming dependent on it than others. I imagine that the actual addiction kind of sneaks up on you when you're not looking. One day you must just realize that your desire for a drink has become a need that you can't deny. I personally think that addiction means that you do suffer withdrawal symptoms of some kind without the drug. Physical addiction/dependence. I know there is whole psychological addiction part, which is huge, especially with something that is normally socially acceptable. Same as with the physical addiction, alcohol is something that you simply have to consume. I imagine that alcoholism is a combination of both types of addiction in most cases. I personally believe that someone who doesn't drink regularly (like basically daily - that's not a requirement, but I've never known an alcoholic who didn't drink pretty much daily most of the time), and doesn't suffer withdrawal can't really be considered an alcoholic. I think alcoholism must involve the physical addiction (this is also why I don't really believe in marijuana addiction... sure, plenty of people overuse it and burn out, but they aren't addicted. They're just being burnouts. Most people I've known like that simply drift out of that phase without any effort because of changing life circumstances). If someone isn't physically addicted but drinks too much (i.e. drinks so much that it gets in the way of their responsibilities or is ruining relationships), that person has a serious drinking problem, and should try AA anyhow, even though they aren't physically addicted, so not technically alcoholics/addicted to alcohol.

My high-functioning alcoholic friends can't sleep without alcohol. I would call that addicted for sure.

mickeyrat

Thats pretty good.

The Juggler

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

mickeyrat

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

or not

PJfanwillneverleave1

Cliffy6745 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This could explain why he was not always on his game.
Known to break character often during SNL it got old after awhile.
He laughed during skits but one too many.
Now he is on primetime.
The whispers have now become talk.

Pretty sure he broke character because he thought it was funny.

True.
I was also implying that if he was under the influence during the skits it is harder to control giddiness.
The cowbell sketch is a classic for sure but it aggravates me to no end that fallon breaks character.
No one else did.
Too many times fallon broke character on SNL and it got eyerollingly expected.

The Juggler

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This could explain why he was not always on his game.
Known to break character often during SNL it got old after awhile.
He laughed during skits but one too many.
Now he is on primetime.
The whispers have now become talk.

Pretty sure he broke character because he thought it was funny.

True.
I was also implying that if he was under the influence during the skits it is harder to control giddiness.
The cowbell sketch is a classic for sure but it aggravates me to no end that fallon breaks character.
No one else did.
Too many times fallon broke character on SNL and it got eyerollingly expected.

Got to the point where it was odd to see him not breaking character.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

I personally don't think Fallon is either. I think he just likes to party - he seems to be a binge drinker.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

I personally don't think Fallon is either. I think he just likes to party - he seems to be a binge drinker.

i think it is safe to say none of us have any idea what he is...

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

I personally don't think Fallon is either. I think he just likes to party - he seems to be a binge drinker.

i think it is safe to say none of us have any idea what he is...

Ha, well no, it's all conjecture. That's just my theory based on everything I know about Fallon and from observation (I am a Fallon fan, so kind of know what he's up to, since he is so active on social media. But yeah, maybe he's hiding in the bathroom at home and chugging vodka that he stashed in the toilet tank. If so, he's doing pretty fucking well).
In any case, I have hurt myself that many times in as little time before - clumsiness combined with bad luck. And it really is true that if you're already injured you're more likely to hurt yourself. Your coordination is off when you've got an injury.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

I personally don't think Fallon is either. I think he just likes to party - he seems to be a binge drinker.

i think it is safe to say none of us have any idea what he is...

Ha, well no, it's all conjecture. That's just my theory based on everything I know about Fallon and from observation (I am a Fallon fan, so kind of know what he's up to, since he is so active on social media. But yeah, maybe he's hiding in the bathroom at home and chugging vodka that he stashed in the toilet tank. If so, he's doing pretty fucking well).
In any case, I have hurt myself that many times in as little time before - clumsiness combined with bad luck. And it really is true that if you're already injured you're more likely to hurt yourself. Your coordination is off when you've got an injury.

are you stalking jimmy?

Cliffy6745

Plenty of rumors out there that he doesn't shy away from the nose candy. No idea if it's true but have heard it from different people in New York.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

igotid88 said:

David Letterman was an alcoholic and hosted a late night show.

...and better than anyone else, I might add.


I'm confused, so Fallon is not a "raging drunk," but rather a high functioning alcoholic...like Dave?

I personally don't think Fallon is either. I think he just likes to party - he seems to be a binge drinker.

i think it is safe to say none of us have any idea what he is...

Ha, well no, it's all conjecture. That's just my theory based on everything I know about Fallon and from observation (I am a Fallon fan, so kind of know what he's up to, since he is so active on social media. But yeah, maybe he's hiding in the bathroom at home and chugging vodka that he stashed in the toilet tank. If so, he's doing pretty fucking well).
In any case, I have hurt myself that many times in as little time before - clumsiness combined with bad luck. And it really is true that if you're already injured you're more likely to hurt yourself. Your coordination is off when you've got an injury.

are you stalking jimmy?

No. I follow him on Twitter, lol.

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This could explain why he was not always on his game.
Known to break character often during SNL it got old after awhile.
He laughed during skits but one too many.
Now he is on primetime.
The whispers have now become talk.

Maybe it also explains why he first got his own show and was then hired to host the Tonight Show?? ... No raging drunk does as well as he's doing.

apologize if i am missing the sarcasm but there are plenty of hugely successful drunks out there-

http://www.listal.com/list/hi-im-celebrity-alcoholic

it's easy to be a drunk actor/writer/rockstar etc. little tougher to get away with it when you're a 9 to 5er.

igotid88

NBC Executive Says 'The Tonight Show' Host 'Doesn't Have a Drinking Problem'
“He’s good, he doesn’t have a drinking problem,” Bob Greenblatt told reporters Wednesday at the Television Critics Press tour in Los Angeles. “He goes out and has fun. He’s had some accidents."

The Juggler

http://www.vulture.com/2016/09/with-his-trump-interview-fallon-became-jay-leno.html?mid=facebook_vulture

Fallon further cements himself as a cooler Jay Leno (but with dumb, stale, games!)...

I mean...come on. How are you going to have fucking Trump on, at a time like this, and not even make an attempt to ask him some real questions? Look, nobody takes Fallon seriously but there is a tradition of a late night host having some kind of impact when having an important guest on. There are ways of asking a tough question or two without offending the guest so much that he chooses not to come on the show again. Letterman did it, expertly, for years. Instead.....Jimmy plays with his hair and makes him actually look human. Kellyanne Conway must've been so happy. I guess Fallon's cool with just being a lightweight.

Really wish Trump had the balls to go on Colbert's show instead



BRING BACK DAVE!

PJ_Soul

I think this whole thing about Fallon and Trump is insane, frankly. Why in the fuck would anyone expect Jimmy Fallon to do a hard hitting interview??? So silly.

igotid88

PJ_Soul said:

I think this whole thing about Fallon and Trump is insane, frankly. Why in the fuck would anyone expect Jimmy Fallon to do a hard hitting interview??? So silly.

Doesn't have to be hard hitting. Letterman could do the interviews that were funny and playful but also informative and at times uncorfortable at the same time. But I don't why people thought Fallon would give such an interview though

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

I think this whole thing about Fallon and Trump is insane, frankly. Why in the fuck would anyone expect Jimmy Fallon to do a hard hitting interview??? So silly.

Nobody expected a hard hitting interview but they expected more than just kissing Trump's ass as if he was a member of One Direction or something.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think this whole thing about Fallon and Trump is insane, frankly. Why in the fuck would anyone expect Jimmy Fallon to do a hard hitting interview??? So silly.

Nobody expected a hard hitting interview but they expected more than just kissing Trump's ass as if he was a member of One Direction or something.

Why would anyone expect that? That's what I am saying. There was no reason to ever even think that Fallon might do that. That isn't what he does. He never has. And this isn't the first time he'd had Trump on. He didn't do that then, so why would people suddenly expect him to change? Makes no sense.