Applause For REI: They're Closing On Thanksgiving Day

g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
edited October 2015 in A Moving Train
I just got an email saying they will be closed on Thanksgiving Day......I think they should be given an applause for down playing the chaos on this day.


http://time.com/money/4088989/black-friday-thanksgiving-rei/

Why Some Stores Are Closing on Black Friday
Brad Tuttle @bradrtuttle 12:56 PM ET

Late on Monday, outdoors and apparel retailer REI surprised employees and shoppers by announcing it would be closed on Black Friday, which is traditionally one of the biggest days of the year for sales. REI won’t be processing orders on Black Friday at its website either. “Instead of reporting to work, we’re paying our employees to do what we love most—be outside,” a message sent to REI customers (or rather, members, as REI is a co-op) explained. “While the rest of the world is fighting it out in the aisles, we hope to see you in the great outdoors.”

REI also created a website, optoutside.rei.com, as well as the requisite hashtag #optoutside to boost publicity for the campaign.

On the one hand, the move seems incredibly bold and selfless. “Any retailer that hears this will be startled by the idea,” REI President and CEO Jerry Stritzke said to USA Today. As he told CBS News on Tuesday morning, the idea is all about being “authentic” to its brand. “For us, encouraging people to get outside was maybe one of the most authentic things we could do,” Stritzke said. “It’s important for brands to always to be true to who they are.”

Cynics, on the other hand, will take note that it’s pretty convenient for a retailer that relies on people wanting to enjoy the outdoors to take an anti-consumerism stance that just so happens to encourage people to go enjoy the outdoors. What’s more, the OptOutside site, created to supposedly help people find ways to enjoy the outdoors, seems to be focused on spreading the word about REI’s movement rather than providing good, practical information for outdoor enthusiasts. The map showing outdoor opportunities is hardly comprehensive—only three hiking trails are listed for all of Vermont, and only three options for skiing show up for the entire U.S.

Clearly, REI and its CEO doing the media circuit hope to get some good publicity out of the unconventional decision to be closed on Black Friday, a.k.a. the “Super Bowl of Shopping.” And yet, is there anything wrong with that? After all, it’s possible to do the “right thing” and do what’s in your own best financial interests in the same breath, all while patting yourself on the back in extremely public fashion.

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In recent years, the battle over doing the “right thing” has been focused on Thanksgiving rather than Black Friday, with more retailers open on Turkey Day and stores being shamed and boycotted for hosting sales and encouraging people to shop during the holiday traditionally reserved for family time. Still, many of the same issues—shopping vs. family time, more stuff vs. simple pleasures, consumerism vs. being thankful for what you have—are raised regardless of which day we’re talking about.

And yes, it’s fair to applaud retailers’ decisions to stay closed on Thanksgiving while simultaneously questioning their motivations. After being open the previous two Thanksgivings, Staples will stay closed on the holiday this year. That’s nice for Staples employees and their families, but surely some of the decision was based on the fact that few shoppers are clamoring for deals on reams of paper and office desks on Black Friday. Likewise, it would seem to be pretty easy for retailers like Home Depot and Lowes and warehouse clubs such as Costco and BJ’s to remain closed on Thanksgiving because they wouldn’t be big sales days even if they were open. That hasn’t stopped them from posting self-congratulatory messages about staying closed on the holiday, and reminding shoppers they’ll be open bright and early on Black Friday.

A couple weeks ago, a press release announced, “GameStop Takes a Stand!” concerning its “core values” and “doing the right thing to disrupt the emerging trend in the retail industry of taking away holidays from customers and associates.” If you didn’t know any better, you might think the video game retailer was launching a major about-face in policy with the decision to keep doors closed on Thanksgiving Day. In fact, it’s never been open on Thanksgiving. Nonetheless, it wants to get some props for keeping the holiday sacred, and compared to the retailer competitors who increasingly view Thanksgiving as just another day to draw in the crowds and drum up sales, GameStop indeed deserves a little credit.

In most cases, the decision to open or close on Thanksgiving (or Black Friday) is based on business strategy in addition to doing the “right thing.” By staying closed on Thanksgiving, stores will naturally endear themselves to shoppers who think it’s awful that any stores are open that day. By staying closed on Black Friday and encouraging folks to go hiking, skiing, or biking, REI will naturally endear itself (more) to people who love the outdoors—and who probably weren’t going to be elbowing the crowds in the mall on Black Friday anyway.

Above all, there’s something seriously disingenuous about presenting the decision to close as purely a matter of ethics and doing right by employees when money and brand marketing factor in heavily as well. Case in point: A PR representative for a mattress retailer reached out to me recently, hoping to get the store some publicity because it was not going to open on Thanksgiving. As if this was a brave, humanitarian move. Who buys a mattress on Thanksgiving?

Any other stores do you think will also close on this date?

Peace
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Saw this on the news yesterday - good for them and their employees! Fantastic for morale, and the company can obviously afford to do this (and then is actually doing it). Would be nice if some others follow suit.

    Could probably eliminate participation by Best Buy, Walmart, Macy's, etc...
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    I wish we could afford to do this but we don't an annual revenue of $1.6 billion.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Kudos to my company (REI is a co-op).
    It is a sound move on all fronts, they have captured the anti-marketing market (RIP Bill Hicks) and I will be spending my dividend, and then some, for the holidays Another day anyways.
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  • CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Black Friday!!!! Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Will find something online from REI to show appreciation.

    We talk about family values but don't give a crap that many families will not have time together so we can buy cheap disposable plastic crap on SALE

    If you shop at a store on thanksgiving or before 10am Friday you suck. Yes tell my family and friends same thing.

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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    Did this Black Friday thing once 10 years ago just to get an inexpensive laptop I needed. The chaos that took place when the doors to Best Buy opened.....I can remember saying NEVER AGAIN. I haven't ever since, I'll buy mostly online.

    I really do like the REI stores and products that they sell. Even when not in need of anything in particular I would go in there just to see their products. Glad they've stepped up to do this....I hope more stores will do this. Just look how Chic Fillet has grown over the years having made the decision from the beginning to close on Sundays. They're more profitable than KFC now.

    PEACE
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I've never been to a black Friday dealio and don't plan to. Some of those people are nutso, and rabid to boot.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    good for them
    it's refreshing
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    it's actually genius & will bring them more business
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Chadwick, they have some mighty fine hatchets at REI, you should see the one I picked up. Forged steel head with a blade thin as a buckknife. Hollow graphite handle that puts all the chop at the top.
    Sure beats my old man's hatchet by a mile, and his is as good as they came in his day.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    rgambs,

    i truly love your post up above. hatchets, axes & knives are terrific & a must. i am excited for you & i'm even more excited to one day get myself a rei hatchet. i've a few mule deer horn handle circular sawmill blade knives... the craftsman cut blades out of old circular sawmill blades & fashioned them into knives. they are like hatchets

    now if i just had a truck load of rounds i could chop. chopping firewood is the best time

    enjoy your hatchets, sir
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Ah to go camping with you two would be such a treat. And probably not have to do too much work as you'd both be showing each other your skills.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    callen said:

    Ah to go camping with you two would be such a treat. And probably not have to do too much work as you'd both be showing each other your skills.

    If I bring s'mores can I come along too?
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,174
    it's nice.....but they're really not the big box store that targets black friday.

    their prices are high 98% days of the year.

    they're like patagonia....."we're all about the planet.....made in viet nam"
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    imalive said:

    it's nice.....but they're really not the big box store that targets black friday.

    their prices are high 98% days of the year.

    they're like patagonia....."we're all about the planet.....made in viet nam"

    Yeah, I agree and I'm somewhat a fan of Patagonia if only for the fact that Yvon Chouinard started up the company and has tried to run it as best as possible with environment in mind. Check out his book, Let My People Go Surfing and the Patagonia faq and you may find they are at least trying to do the right thing. Certainly not perfect, but far better than most in the clothing industry.

    http://www.patagonia.com/us/patagonia.go?assetid=67517

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    But will they be paying their employees for the unexpected day off?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524

    But will they be paying their employees for the unexpected day off?

    They are, per the article I initially read.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    rgambs said:

    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
    Some would say that they are the Wal-Mart of outdoor gear big box stores.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
    Some would say that they are the Wal-Mart of outdoor gear big box stores.
    That would have some truth to it, but it is a bit harsh.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rgambs said:

    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
    Some would say that they are the Wal-Mart of outdoor gear big box stores.
    I bought my repelling gear from REI. I would not buy ANYTHING from walmart for repelling…

    Kudos for closing though!
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196

    rgambs said:

    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
    Some would say that they are the Wal-Mart of outdoor gear big box stores.
    I bought my repelling gear from REI. I would not buy ANYTHING from walmart for repelling…

    Kudos for closing though!
    There is no comparison in the quality from Wal Mart to what REI sells. REI sells just about the best sports wear and gear out there.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    g under p said:

    rgambs said:

    chadwick said:

    rgambs said:

    Yeasir! It's a Fiskars.
    I could practically filet a fish and chop down a redwood with just this hatchet.

    i just checked them out, they're lovely looking tools. i'm a double bladed axe kinda guy. i wonder why this company doesn't offer one? i've not been to a rei
    In reverse order, REI is the Cabella's of non-predatory outdoorsman. Camping, hiking, biking, climbing, but no hunting, fishing, trapping equips.
    Regarding the axe, Fiskars is all about new tech and functionality. A double headed axe, while being supremely badass (second only to a heavy mad axe in badassness) is not all that practical nowadays, if you aren't a lumberjack in the deep bush. Better to leave the back flat to use as a hammer, shaves a lot of weight too.
    Some would say that they are the Wal-Mart of outdoor gear big box stores.
    I bought my repelling gear from REI. I would not buy ANYTHING from walmart for repelling…

    Kudos for closing though!
    There is no comparison in the quality from Wal Mart to what REI sells. REI sells just about the best sports wear and gear out there.

    Peace

    Correct, and they facilitate outdoor sports through programs they run and their garage sales, where you can pick up the very best gear for 70 to 90% discounts. They don't mark up gear even though they have portions of the market cornered, and the dividends really pay off for them and the consumers.
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