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A few years back I believe Hugh complained about a rail blockade (not sure which one) and I am on record on these forms defending their right to protest…as long as it remains relatively peaceful. Other than recently I really don’t think I commented much on BLM…people have the the right to protest. You are more than free to search 100s of pages here to find that comment. But that was as a few years ago…and their are currently many other protest currently taking place that I have no problems…just because I don’t support every protest does not mean I think they should be stopped…same with BLM..police the criminals is anyone who has decent values want…Parksy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujZeWLbcAn0
I'm just gonna... just gonna put this here.
If you want to... you can move to time 22:30 of this video. If you want to.
Meltdown... would LOVE to hear your insightful feedback on this glowing example of hypocrisy.The Police have the tools to the the job. The liberal saw an opportunity to steal and that’s what they did…Some of us have a life. We all don’t get to steal company time.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
yeah, the rail blockade blocks goods and hurts businesses, which you claim to support. at least I'm consistent.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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And even the indigenous peoples burning churches down in protest would I ever advocate for the government to act independently without the courts…takes a civics class…the ignorance among the left is amazing…Give Peas A Chance…0
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none that come to mind.static111 said:
Sticking to the Trucker convoy of individual awesomeness or whatever it is and keeping this on track for Canadian Politics. I mean isn't blocking commerce part of what non violent protest is about? I agree that if MLK was ready for cops/the government that people should be ready today. Speaking of MLK, based on my knowledge of him and statements in the books that he wrote, if he felt the cause was righteous I am pretty sure he would be ok with blocking international trade. That said I highly doubt that he would support these truckers.mrussel1 said:
I'm not saying it's the same scale, but blocking international trade is pretty fucking bad.static111 said:
I'm not sure where honking horns and stopping traffic is similar to looting and destroying property on the scale we saw here. As far as protesters in the US being held accountable, I would say there is a threshold there. Find all the people responsible find out if there were any real instigators and hold them accountable fully. People that maybe got swept up in the moment and threw a rock at a window or grabbed a small home appliance...probably slaps on the wrist.mrussel1 said:
For the people who looted or destroyed property that summer, did you believe they should face criminal charges or did your sympathy for their position lead you to believe they should face no charges?static111 said:
I heard this way too often during the racial justice protests of 2020 in the US. I am not sure where people come up with the idea that demonstrations must be peaceful. Depending what side of the line you are on seems to be determinate of what you view as the right kind of protest. So far these truckers which I don't support seem very tame in comparison to the protests around racial justice that I do support and took part in.HughFreakingDillon said:
peaceful demonstrations are a cornerstone of democracy.....problem is....this ain't peaceful.Meltdown99 said:
To my understanding these truckers have not looted or destroyed property nor caused any serious amount of bodily harm. One thing that may have kept this situation relatively calm is the canadian police not showing up in full battle armor shooting bean bags and gas like our fine officers have a propensity to do down here south of the northern border.
I disagree with your "swept up in the moment" comment. Do you think the J6 "swept up in the moment rioters" deserve a break? My pov is that criminal activity is criminal activity. If you do it, be prepared for the consequences. If MLK was ready for them, so can all of these yahoos.
If you want to continue talking about J6 and or Black Lives Matter protestors and the suitable punishments I'm good to continue this side bar in one of those threads. I don't want to distract from Canadian politics since I am just an interloper that had a Canadian Grandfather.
Is there any cause that you would justify keeping people from their jobs or making their livelihoods? As to the destroying property point I agree to an extent, but it is my understanding that these truckers aren't destroying property? Maybe I haven't been following closely enough, but I am not seeing any articles mentioning Ottawa falling. Please feel free to link an article if there is destruction of property that I am unaware of. And for the record, I do not support the truckers.HughFreakingDillon said:
when I say peaceful....I mean not costing people their livelihoods or destroying property. this protest is committing the former.static111 said:
I heard this way too often during the racial justice protests of 2020 in the US. I am not sure where people come up with the idea that demonstrations must be peaceful. Depending what side of the line you are on seems to be determinate of what you view as the right kind of protest. So far these truckers which I don't support seem very tame in comparison to the protests around racial justice that I do support and took part in.HughFreakingDillon said:
peaceful demonstrations are a cornerstone of democracy.....problem is....this ain't peaceful.Meltdown99 said:Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
it's getting really difficult to understand your weird ramblings as time goes on. who ever said the government should deal with criminal proceedings when it's not a crisis in real time?Meltdown99 said:And even the indigenous peoples burning churches down in protest would I ever advocate for the government to act independently without the courts…takes a civics class…the ignorance among the left is amazing…Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
You're one to point fingers on ignorance. That's really comical. What do I need to research when there's 50 twitter posts a day here? Isn't that real Canada?Meltdown99 said:0 -
I can actually think of some cases where I would support keeping people from their work. Like blocking loggers from clear cutting an endangered old growth forest. Or preventing workers from entering a slaughterhouse found to be using inhumane practices... I could think of tons of instances like that, where I would think it's righteous to be keeping people from their jobs and making their livelihoods. Obviously it's not black and white... and obviously I don't think the "cause" of the idiot truckers is righteous... Hell, it's not even logical.
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Everyone thinks their cause is righteous though, that's why they are there. But the law is the law and if you break the law, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. That's why I brought up MLK. There was no more righteous clause than his, but he was prepared to go to jail, even when he wasn't impeding commerce, or whatever.PJ_Soul said:I can actually think of some cases where I would support it. Like blocking loggers from clear cutting an endangered old growth forest. Or preventing workers from entering a slaughterhouse found to be using inhumane practices... I could think of tons of instances like that, where I would think it's righteous to be keeping people from their jobs and making their livelihoods. Obviously it's not black and white... and obviously I don't think the "cause" of the idiot truckers is righteous... Hell, it's not even logical.
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And if you thought you’d trap me on First Nations protest…well Not likely. I’m pretty consistent on indigenous rights and I stand with the indigenous. I don’t stand by their leaches of leaders and the weasels that bootlicked their way into the band offices who benefit greatly…similar to our politicians and the weasels in the government…And if would never be OK with the government freezing the accounts of indigenous peoples…because that is theft.We have courts to sort this out. Like I said, ignorance…simple.Post edited by Meltdown99 onGive Peas A Chance…0
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trap you? who is trying to trap you? do you need to change your tin foil hat? it's getting a bit worn out it seems.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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mrussel1 said:
Everyone thinks their cause is righteous though, that's why they are there. But the law is the law and if you break the law, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. That's why I brought up MLK. There was no more righteous clause than his, but he was prepared to go to jail, even when he wasn't impeding commerce, or whatever.PJ_Soul said:I can actually think of some cases where I would support it. Like blocking loggers from clear cutting an endangered old growth forest. Or preventing workers from entering a slaughterhouse found to be using inhumane practices... I could think of tons of instances like that, where I would think it's righteous to be keeping people from their jobs and making their livelihoods. Obviously it's not black and white... and obviously I don't think the "cause" of the idiot truckers is righteous... Hell, it's not even logical.Yes, of course, I agree that if someone is breaking the law they need to be prepared to suffer the consequences... I mean... in part, that is part of the meaning of their protest. It says that their cause is worth that risk.And yes, lol, everyone thinks their own cause is righteous, no matter how stupid it may be, and how little sense it makes. That, though, doesn't mean a cause can't be judged. Not all causes are equal, not all protests are equal. They are judged and dealt with on a case-by-case basis, because that's what makes sense. That is the kind of thing that makes life (and governing) hard I guess, lol.
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We use to be a country that let the courts sort this out…not politicians. That’s what they do in China. Oh wait, Trudeau admires China..Hmmm,.
people who support this are disgusting human beings…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
yes, we know....and the liberals are the ones with a hate/rage problem. sure.....Meltdown99 said:
We use to be a country that let the courts sort this out…not politicians. That’s what they do in China. Oh wait, Trudeau admires China..Hmmm,.
people who support this are disgusting human beings…Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
You admire Russia. Do you think that makes you some sort of A+ human being? Holodomor, Chechnya, Georgia, Katyn Forest, Crimean Tatars, Kulaks.Meltdown99 said:
We use to be a country that let the courts sort this out…not politicians. That’s what they do in China. Oh wait, Trudeau admires China..Hmmm,.
people who support this are disgusting human beings…
I can go on and on with the Russian genocidal activities. And you defend them.0 -
Give Peas A Chance…0 -
https://tnc.news/2022/02/16/trudeau-condemned-around-the-world-for-moving-to-crush-protests/
Trudeau condemned around the world for moving to crush protests
Give Peas A Chance…0 -
so now you're quoting the condemnation by a few random celebrities and conservative politicians from Brazil and the US? HAHAHAHAHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Oh look, Senator Marsha Blackburn condemns the protesters. Here's what she said about protesters in the USMeltdown99 said:https://tnc.news/2022/02/16/trudeau-condemned-around-the-world-for-moving-to-crush-protests/Trudeau condemned around the world for moving to crush protests
Sen. Marsha Blackburn saying Black Lives Matter is a "movement to wipe out our history, destroy our families and burn our country to the ground”
You'll have to forgive everyone here for not being moved by her support for your terrorists, or any of the other nobodies who are 'condemning' Trudeau.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blackburn-rips-blms-trained-marxists-as-threat-to-us-day-after-calling-on-omar-to-resign
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Exactly this!mrussel1 said:
Everyone thinks their cause is righteous though, that's why they are there. But the law is the law and if you break the law, you should be prepared to suffer the consequences. That's why I brought up MLK. There was no more righteous clause than his, but he was prepared to go to jail, even when he wasn't impeding commerce, or whatever.PJ_Soul said:I can actually think of some cases where I would support it. Like blocking loggers from clear cutting an endangered old growth forest. Or preventing workers from entering a slaughterhouse found to be using inhumane practices... I could think of tons of instances like that, where I would think it's righteous to be keeping people from their jobs and making their livelihoods. Obviously it's not black and white... and obviously I don't think the "cause" of the idiot truckers is righteous... Hell, it's not even logical.0 -
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