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The Reason PJ Toured in 2005

Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
edited March 2008 in The Porch
Well, if we all remember correctly, there was no new album to push (lost dogs/rvm) doesn't count as PJ was released from Epic/Sony. We all knew they were going to record a new album, but if you think about it for a second....

There was no major label paying for the studio time. PJ did a small little 2005 tour so that us fans could purchase tickets, merchandise, posters, and that money went towards recording the Avocado album. AFTER The Avocado was done they used J Records for distribution rights. Makes sense doesn't it? Then after the album was completed, they toured it, and we paid for the tix/merch and whatnot again. I'm not complaining, but just stating some opinions.

Now, PJ no longer has a contract with J Records, they're back on their own, there have been rumors flying that PJ was to get back into the studio...BUT....

They need the funds to use the studio. So a nice little tour will pick up that tab.

Tour dates are my speculation of the news today.

Followed by an album released sometime in October.

-Seth
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    4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,215
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    Well, if we all remember correctly, there was no new album to push (lost dogs/rvm) doesn't count as PJ was released from Epic/Sony. We all knew they were going to record a new album, but if you think about it for a second....

    There was no major label paying for the studio time. PJ did a small little 2005 tour so that us fans could purchase tickets, merchandise, posters, and that money went towards recording the Avocado album. AFTER The Avocado was done they used J Records for distribution rights. Makes sense doesn't it? Then after the album was completed, they toured it, and we paid for the tix/merch and whatnot again. I'm not complaining, but just stating some opinions.

    Now, PJ no longer has a contract with J Records, they're back on their own, there have been rumors flying that PJ was to get back into the studio...BUT....

    They need the funds to use the studio. So a nice little tour will pick up that tab.

    Tour dates are my speculation of the news today.

    Followed by an album released sometime in October.

    -Seth

    the only thing wrong with your theory is the members of PJ are millionaires, and could swing the 200,000 it probably costs to produce an album.


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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,122
    4Powers20 wrote:
    the only thing wrong with your theory is the members of PJ are millionaires, and could swing the 200,000 it probably costs to produce an album.

    Tru dat.
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    but why do that if:

    A) The fans can essentially pay for it
    B) The fans love seeing them tour
    C) PJ wants to tour and get a break from the studio


    It all works out in the end. No money out of PJ's pocket, the fans are happy as they've had their shot at seeing them for the year, and we all know there's a new album on the horizon.

    It's not a bad thing, but just something to think about.
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    4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,215
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    but why do that if:

    A) The fans can essentially pay for it
    B) The fans love seeing them tour
    C) PJ wants to tour and get a break from the studio


    It all works out in the end. No money out of PJ's pocket, the fans are happy as they've had their shot at seeing them for the year, and we all know there's a new album on the horizon.

    It's not a bad thing, but just something to think about.

    thats true but I dont think it was like "hey lets do a tour so we dont have to front the money to record an album" it was probably more like " hey lets do some shows, do a little writing on the road, then hit the studio" I doubt the money was ever an issue.


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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    money is always an issue, to everyone. it's a part of life. sure, it may not have been as straight forward as i'm saying, but i'm sure one of their mentors might have mentioned to them,

    "hey, hit the road for a little bit, you'll get a nice needed break, get some extra cash flow, be able to support your organization with the income, give the fans what they want, and use the extra cash flow as your up-front studio costs since a major label isn't backing you guys this time"
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    4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,215
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    money is always an issue, to everyone. it's a part of life. sure, it may not have been as straight forward as i'm saying, but i'm sure one of their mentors might have mentioned to them,

    "hey, hit the road for a little bit, you'll get a nice needed break, get some extra cash flow, be able to support your organization with the income, give the fans what they want, and use the extra cash flow as your up-front studio costs since a major label isn't backing you guys this time"

    I see your logic, but I'll have to agree to disagree since we will never know.


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    muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    money is always an issue, to everyone. it's a part of life. sure, it may not have been as straight forward as i'm saying, but i'm sure one of their mentors might have mentioned to them,

    "hey, hit the road for a little bit, you'll get a nice needed break, get some extra cash flow, be able to support your organization with the income, give the fans what they want, and use the extra cash flow as your up-front studio costs since a major label isn't backing you guys this time"

    I'm not naive enough to think that Pearl Jam are all 'pure' and care nothing for money - everybody does, I think. But I don't think it's out of reach to think they might just want to record becuase it's what they like doing ;)
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    4Powers204Powers20 Posts: 1,215
    I cant see the band not recording an album because they dont want to front the money.


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    imissyoualreadyimissyoualready Posts: 438
    Guitarhero27 wrote:
    Well, if we all remember correctly, there was no new album to push (lost dogs/rvm) doesn't count as PJ was released from Epic/Sony. We all knew they were going to record a new album, but if you think about it for a second....

    There was no major label paying for the studio time. PJ did a small little 2005 tour so that us fans could purchase tickets, merchandise, posters, and that money went towards recording the Avocado album. AFTER The Avocado was done they used J Records for distribution rights. Makes sense doesn't it? Then after the album was completed, they toured it, and we paid for the tix/merch and whatnot again. I'm not complaining, but just stating some opinions.

    Now, PJ no longer has a contract with J Records, they're back on their own, there have been rumors flying that PJ was to get back into the studio...BUT....

    They need the funds to use the studio. So a nice little tour will pick up that tab.

    Tour dates are my speculation of the news today.

    Followed by an album released sometime in October.

    -Seth

    It's quite obvious that none of you have recorded an album recently. Pearl Jam own their own studio. It's in the building that houses their entire operation. Studio time doesnt cost $200,000. PJ probably toured in 2005 to earn money. However it most certainly wasnt to earn money to be able to record an album. Also, their deal with J Records is on a per album basis, it's not expired. They can use J again if they want to. I just want to recap here....studio time doesnt really cost anything if you own the studio and that doesnt cost near what it used to.
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    UnkeptUnkept Posts: 65
    Well the boys did build their own studio back around then...but they're also millionaires and I think they probably consider cost of recording much the same way most folks consider cost of gasoline. Back in 05 in an interview, Jeff explained that with their record contract fulfilled they had a new freedom to do it however they saw fit. He specifically stated that they would probably do it old school, like bands did back in the day...do some recording, go play a few shows, which is what they did. While money is always a concern, I think these guys are livin the dream, and I think they know it...and the dream is to record and play gigs, whenever, wherever you want...which is what they've done for a few years now...I think we're right in the middle of a very exciting time for the band. Hopefully they take full advantage of the next few years and keep making great music.
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    just because they own the studio doesn't mean that recording is free.

    Keep in mind you've got to pay for a producer, an engineer, a mixer, your tech's. John Goodmanson (Harvey Danger, Matchbook Romance, add'l mixing on Shine On You Crazy Diamond for Jack Iron's CD) gets $60,000 for a 12 song album, not including expenses.

    That's just to give you a number on someone you'll most likely say "WHO???" to yourself. Adam Kasper has been gaining a lot of critical acclaim and his price likely is higher.

    So keep in mind all of the expenses with a studio.

    I like the agreeing to disagree part because we'll never know :)
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    Drew263Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    From a business perspective it makes sense. It's not about the individual members paying for studio time..remember, they're an LLC according to Ed. So Pearl Jam is a company. The company will pay for the studio time, so to help that, they go on a summer tour.

    Keeps them sharp and finances the next album. It's logical.
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    Thanks Drew for backing my logic up :)
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    binauralonthecapebinauralonthecape Posts: 257
    i think a band that has sold over 60 million records doesnt have to worry about fronting cash for studio time...im guessing if they do have a new album they'll either release it digitally first, or do what the raconteurs have just done and announced they are releasing an album in a couple of weeks completely out of the blue...or tour during the summer, which is the best time to tour..and then release an album in the winter, and tour europe, oz, south america i nhte winter/spring, and then the states again next summer/fall..
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    Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,479
    PJ has no cash flow issues and the studio is already set up

    Of course they have a budget, but there is no way $$$ is a major part of their decision to make or not to make a record.


    they could stop touring now, make ten records at their own cost and still be multi millionaires
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