Freedom = Privacy

dimitrispearljam

I watched the movie citizenfour and at some .point a guy whole talking to european hearings about the whole watching recordings phonecall and email of citizens he said
"What people used to call Freedom and Liberty, we now call Privacy
And we say ..that privacy is dead"

Thoughts?

Leezestarr313

Funny thing is how people willingly give it up on social media like Facebook, going there with their real name and all the info for the world to see etc. I am on some of these too, but I try to choose carefully what I put out there. I have read people comparing facebook to the Stasi from Eastern Germany. Only that people are willingly giving all their stuff. I would agree to a certain extend. But I love social media because it helps me keeping contact with my friends and family. No store gets my phone number or email. I try to avoid store credit cards, and keep credit cards in general very limited. This makes me feel like I am in some kind of control, which also to me is a feeling of freedom.

hedonist

Leezestarr313 said:

Funny thing is how people willingly give it up on social media like Facebook, going there with their real name and all the info for the world to see etc. I am on some of these too, but I try to choose carefully what I put out there. I have read people comparing facebook to the Stasi from Eastern Germany. Only that people are willingly giving all their stuff. I would agree to a certain extend. But I love social media because it helps me keeping contact with my friends and family. No store gets my phone number or email. I try to avoid store credit cards, and keep credit cards in general very limited. This makes me feel like I am in some kind of control, which also to me is a feeling of freedom.

Very good point, Leeze.

I have neither the need nor desire to be on social media - this site is the only one I post on, and am a fairly private person in general.

True we can control some aspects of our information but realistically, whether or not we choose, most everything is trackable.

Leezestarr313

I am an immigrant, and needed to give all my info to Homeland security anyway. So they got it. What can I do about it? Nothing, really. But my privacy is very important to me. I guess we all have to somehow find our way through it. It is not just keeping private from corporations or authorities though. If a 15 year old for example has a public facebook profile and love his / her selfies and telling people where they are through the app, then they might need a talk about the importance of privacy. I am not even sure I would post pictures of my child on fb if I had one. It is scary to think who is out there... It's like with everything, I guess. Have fun with it, but try to be responsible.

dimitrispearljam

I hear ya lisa
As i said and do all those year i share in social media only pj part of me
No photos of family.of my place of .my work.of my friends ...not sharing my weekends.my day.my trips...who im with.who in slepping.who im in relationship with.who is my ex..and which theater i went where i eat.whit who went for dinner.which bar i had a drink..when i went shopping.what i bought.if i have pets.what they did or photo of them
What i think about politics.who i vote..what i pay for bills..how look my car.my bike..which beach i went.what drink i order..i doint even have my real last name in any of social medoa profiles...and so many other things people have the need to share to everyone..
Its my life..i dont need an audience and its for me and i want people to know what i want them to know
I use social media for pj and music
Pj community knows about my pj part of my self...they dont need to know anything else of my private life..thats mine and its private and only my family and a few close friends have access to it..

PJ_Soul

I want to care, but I just don't seem to, really. I understand why people do and perhaps why I should... but at the end of the day I just don't give a shit, because I've got nothing to hide either literally or philosophically. I don't care who knows what I bought on Amazon, and I don't care who knows what posts I liked or read on facebook, and I don't care who knows what articles and websites I'm reading, and I don't mind if the government knows that I'm pro-choice and support the lefties or that I smoke weed, and I don't care if they know I had a long discussion about terrorists or how big of a dick Rob Ford is or that I think Stephen Harper looks like a pedophile and Huckabee is fucking psychotic. The only thing I do care about in this context is my personal safety, both physical and financial. So the privacy relating to identity theft is of course important to me. As for my last name... it's Jones, lol. I obviously feel no need to keep that one secret.
And if I had children, I definitely wouldn't be posting their photos on facebook, because I do see that as a risk to their personal safety. There are a lot of sickos out there and I wouldn't be willing to put my kids' out there on the internet. But I'm an adult who understand how things work, how directed marketing is used, and know where the real risks are.

All that said, I completely understand why others are more protective about this kind of thing.

ldent42

I'm with @PJ_Soul on this one. I keep my settings as private as possible, but I'm not really politically active & I don't engage in any sort of illegal or frowned upon activities. I have worried about my social media activity costing me job opportunities but I've gone over it and considering how mild my opinions are it's probably better off if I do get passed over for a job if the hiring manager thinks I'm too liberal, because it's unlikely the company would be a great fit for me in that case. I got "unfriended" during the Eric garner media cycle because I acknowledged the existence of corruption within the nypd, which may hurt me later on. Overall though, stalking, Identity theft, and robbery are the biggest concerns for me.

The side that concerns me more is the targeted advertising, which PJ_Soul mentioned. Something about it gets under my skin & I will be looking into adblockers soon. I also won't give skynet Google access to my location history - I know they already have it, but idont consent to their data collection.

PJ_Soul

The job thing is definitely something to consider and seems to be something that a lot of people seem to forget about. But it's just so easy to avoid trouble there. My facebook activity can only be seen by my facebook friends. No potential employer can see anything other than my profile pic and I guess where I live or whatever. I can't believe how many people have completely public facebook accounts.

ldent42

Yea and people don't realize that when they comment on a public page everyone sees it. There's a couple people who are actual friends of mine who do some "trolling" and I've broached the subject because I definitely see that hurting them. And I think people just get caught up in it. There's advertising encouraging people to "check in for a chance to win" like global citizen did this morning. But I mean even if your profile is private if you're checking in at PornCon and getting your pic taken with your favorite porn stars there's a really good chance someone you do not want to explain that to is going to see it.

I do know from experience that at the very least lawyers can get access to your posts even if your profile is private. A very good friend with a private profile in his own name had his Facebook posts handed in as evidence against his insurance claim when he was injured in a car accident.

Leezestarr313

I get the whole thing about "I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care", but nay, I don't like the thought of people collecting data about my habits. I don't. And this is what I thought this was about. Privacy. I don't need a big corporation to know all of my details. No matter how important they are. This is my stuff. I choose to share it or not. The schemes of big corporations make me sick. None of that is good. It is all EVIL and not respecting the indvidual freedom or privacy at all. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I am against people collecting my data just out of princicple. Of course in everyday life, there are situations where you cannot avoid them getting your data. But if I can, I try. Germany has different rules for FB too. You are allowed to use a fake name. It is against the privacy and personal freedom legislature in Germany to force you to use your actual name on there. There was even a law suit against that.

dimitrispearljam

I can understand the i dont have anything to hide thing .yeah we are not criminals or something but
1st i dont get the need for sharing everything i do in public to facebook friends....as i said i donr share anything than pj stuff and music
I donr need audience of what i do all day..my life is not a reality show
2.i think sharing is for close friends
For me the whole share all in social.media is the need of people to have their own "celebrity style of life"
A woman carry a baby..why need the 850 facebook friends of her , has to see the photos of her belly all 9 months??
Why when she goes shopping need to share to all the 7 pair of shoes she wear before she buys one??..
Im ok with people sharing what ever they want...its their business..i juat choose for me is something i dont want to do
..i always go to pj pages at facebook..i barely goes to news fee to see people status..
I must to be too bored to see news of people status..the one i want to communicate i pm them...and we have a conversation in private

dimitrispearljam

Leezestarr313 said:

I get the whole thing about "I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care", but nay, I don't like the thought of people collecting data about my habits. I don't. And this is what I thought this was about. Privacy. I don't need a big corporation to know all of my details. No matter how important they are. This is my stuff. I choose to share it or not. The schemes of big corporations make me sick. None of that is good. It is all EVIL and not respecting the indvidual freedom or privacy at all. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I am against people collecting my data just out of princicple. Of course in everyday life, there are situations where you cannot avoid them getting your data. But if I can, I try. Germany has different rules for FB too. You are allowed to use a fake name. It is against the privacy and personal freedom legislature in Germany to force you to use your actual name on there. There was even a law suit against that.

I just read last week about this and germany rules..and i agree

PJ_Soul

Leezestarr313 said:

I get the whole thing about "I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care", but nay, I don't like the thought of people collecting data about my habits. I don't. And this is what I thought this was about. Privacy. I don't need a big corporation to know all of my details. No matter how important they are. This is my stuff. I choose to share it or not. The schemes of big corporations make me sick. None of that is good. It is all EVIL and not respecting the indvidual freedom or privacy at all. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I am against people collecting my data just out of princicple. Of course in everyday life, there are situations where you cannot avoid them getting your data. But if I can, I try. Germany has different rules for FB too. You are allowed to use a fake name. It is against the privacy and personal freedom legislature in Germany to force you to use your actual name on there. There was even a law suit against that.

I actually agree with all this. I am against it in principle as well. I don't see how anyone couldn't be. But at the end of the day, I just said "fuck it". I've got enough to worry about I guess. I don't want to bother worrying constantly about whether or not my online habits are being used by corporations. Unless I limit my online activity there is nothing I can do about it anyway.

ldent42

PJ_Soul said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I get the whole thing about "I don't have anything to hide, so I don't care", but nay, I don't like the thought of people collecting data about my habits. I don't. And this is what I thought this was about. Privacy. I don't need a big corporation to know all of my details. No matter how important they are. This is my stuff. I choose to share it or not. The schemes of big corporations make me sick. None of that is good. It is all EVIL and not respecting the indvidual freedom or privacy at all. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I am against people collecting my data just out of princicple. Of course in everyday life, there are situations where you cannot avoid them getting your data. But if I can, I try. Germany has different rules for FB too. You are allowed to use a fake name. It is against the privacy and personal freedom legislature in Germany to force you to use your actual name on there. There was even a law suit against that.

I actually agree with all this. I am against it in principle as well. I don't see how anyone couldn't be. But at the end of the day, I just said "fuck it". I've got enough to worry about I guess. I don't want to bother worrying constantly about whether or not my online habits are being used by corporations. Unless I limit my online activity there is nothing I can do about it anyway.

Ditto. The only thing is I've made the decision that I like the benefits more than I'm worried about the harm.
For example, I have a buttload of photos on fb/Instagram from last year when I was traveling. I go through them all the time. It's like a digital reference or library. I know I could just keep them in Dropbox or something & it'd serve similar function but I like Instagram, the benefit of sharing in real time to that 10% of people who care vs the 90% who don't makes it worth it to me. I know people sometimes use group messages or whatsapp or something to share photos but no one I know uses those things and I prefer the passive method of "sharing" via Instagram vs the more aggressive method of sending someone directly your photos like "look at meeeeeeee I demand acknowledgement/response cuz I'm sending it to you personally". Anyway.

The emails from trip advisor are the worst though.

PJ_Soul

Haha, yeah, those fucking trip advisor emails, grar. They seem to think that if I went to Missoula once, I'm surely wanting to go every single month for the rest of my life, haha.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Good Article that I took this from somewhere.

In 2015, this is simply how computing works. Consumers expect smart recommendations and continually improving services. We expect computers — all computers — to be able to answer any question at any time. In return, companies get constant access to your computer for data collection, automatic updates, and offboard processing. This isn't an option anymore; it's the default. And anyone who doesn't like the deal is going to have a very hard time using today's computers.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Good Article that I took this from somewhere.

In 2015, this is simply how computing works. Consumers expect smart recommendations and continually improving services. We expect computers — all computers — to be able to answer any question at any time. In return, companies get constant access to your computer for data collection, automatic updates, and offboard processing. This isn't an option anymore; it's the default. And anyone who doesn't like the deal is going to have a very hard time using today's computers.

I think it's an okay trade-off, since I'm not a sicko or a criminal, lol. I LOVE the internet. I spent the first 25 years or so of my life without it, yet I still can't quite imagine life without it.

dimitrispearljam

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Good Article that I took this from somewhere.

In 2015, this is simply how computing works. Consumers expect smart recommendations and continually improving services. We expect computers — all computers — to be able to answer any question at any time. In return, companies get constant access to your computer for data collection, automatic updates, and offboard processing. This isn't an option anymore; it's the default. And anyone who doesn't like the deal is going to have a very hard time using today's computers.

I think it's an okay trade-off, since I'm not a sicko or a criminal, lol. I LOVE the internet. I spent the first 25 years or so of my life without it, yet I still can't quite imagine life without it.

Good call

whispering hands

I think we should kill the computer age and go back to the less vulnerable stasis of human control. Spying ( that's what Cyber Intel - this program we are discussing- is) has been around since history began.. But there is a whole new level of imposition when they start fielding the common man's computer strokes, or phone calls; yet I also see the need for it..personally.. I LOVE and HATE what has become of my beloved hidey-hole-The Internet- what once was a place to hide with fellow nerds to discuss the normal world at bay..has become the normal world.. It is heartbreaking to see kids delved so deep into their phones and electronic escapes, that they miss the world around them. I know that feeling all too well. As I discovered the internet much in the same way.. And it was an OBSESSION.. No one even knew what I was doing back then.. Now it's an everyday obvious.. In ways I wish the Government had never released this program to the public.. ( the Internet itself, not the Cyber Intel program), how much happier or sadder would we be if we still had to relate to other humans in our natural stasis versus the serene safety of being online, a billion miles away from our true natural stasis in communication. Just one of the things I think about a lot...