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BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
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First off this is probably my favorite Clash tune.

Tell me this doesn't sound like it could have been a huge influence, musically, on PJ...most notably In My Tree and Bushleaguer:

https://youtu.be/uDfHtdtynv4
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  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    Don't know about the influence on those specific songs, but we all know the Clash were a huge influence on at least Ed and Jeff. Probably others in the band too. So... no question that they're a major influence, interesting to think on what songs though.

    When I saw RNDM, I think they did some of Magnificent 7 and a Nina Simone song... it was fantastic!
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,197
    edited July 2015
    Totally one of mine too, along with this one....

    http://youtu.be/bkyCrx4DyMk

    Peace
    Post edited by g under p on
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,079
    What a great song, great band. Damn, they were good live! Strummer getting pissed off at us and flipping us off and telling us to go fvck ourselves and then kicking it in even harder. Damn!
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  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    edited August 2015
    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.
    Post edited by JH6056 on
  • Daron OshayDaron Oshay Middletown, NJ Posts: 2,553
    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    How did this thread end here? Is this serious? I love/hate you.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,079
    Daron Oshay said:

    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    How did this thread end here? Is this serious? I love/hate you.
    Wow! No kidding! Great story, Daron Oshay!

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,197
    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    Lol that was a classic reply and The Clash were the efffing deal for sure.

    I've got a Clash related story....it was 2004 I went over to London to see my musician friend Micheal Franti played 3 nights in a row at The Jazz Cafe. This after just returning from Iraq, Isarel and Palestine. It was the end of the second night of a super rocking 3 hour show he played with broken bottle littered floor. He wanted for me and my friends to go dancing somewhere.

    So we all left the club to walk back to his hotel, Micheal had his guitar (he hardly went anywhere without it) and started singing some songs. One fan of several followed us and kept pestering Micheal to sing a U2 song. He wouldn't let up to point of an annoying mosquito. I could see that look on Michael's like WTF so I stepped in knowing Micheal was a huge CLASH fan. I started singing Straight To Hell on this crescent moon night at 1am, Michael started singing with me. To show the power of The Clash that dude backed off of his begging of singing U2.

    We sang that song al the way back to the hotel door. While changing he thanked me for stepping in I told him no biggie. It took us a couple hours to find the right club on a Tuesday night but we found Club 13 I think and danced and drank till dawn. It didn't get any better than that. :smile:

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,079
    g under p said:

    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    Lol that was a classic reply and The Clash were the efffing deal for sure.

    I've got a Clash related story....it was 2004 I went over to London to see my musician friend Micheal Franti played 3 nights in a row at The Jazz Cafe. This after just returning from Iraq, Isarel and Palestine. It was the end of the second night of a super rocking 3 hour show he played with broken bottle littered floor. He wanted for me and my friends to go dancing somewhere.

    So we all left the club to walk back to his hotel, Micheal had his guitar (he hardly went anywhere without it) and started singing some songs. One fan of several followed us and kept pestering Micheal to sing a U2 song. He wouldn't let up to point of an annoying mosquito. I could see that look on Michael's like WTF so I stepped in knowing Micheal was a huge CLASH fan. I started singing Straight To Hell on this crescent moon night at 1am, Michael started singing with me. To show the power of The Clash that dude backed off of his begging of singing U2.

    We sang that song al the way back to the hotel door. While changing he thanked me for stepping in I told him no biggie. It took us a couple hours to find the right club on a Tuesday night but we found Club 13 I think and danced and drank till dawn. It didn't get any better than that. :smile:

    Peace

    Another great Clash story! Thanks, G!

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    Daron Oshay said:

    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    How did this thread end here? Is this serious? I love/hate you.
    Thanks for saying that, I kinda wondered if I shouldn't have shared that when no one posted anything after! I got Clash stories for days...

  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    edited August 2015
    g under p said:

    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    Lol that was a classic reply and The Clash were the efffing deal for sure.

    I've got a Clash related story....it was 2004 I went over to London to see my musician friend Micheal Franti played 3 nights in a row at The Jazz Cafe. This after just returning from Iraq, Isarel and Palestine. It was the end of the second night of a super rocking 3 hour show he played with broken bottle littered floor. He wanted for me and my friends to go dancing somewhere.

    So we all left the club to walk back to his hotel, Micheal had his guitar (he hardly went anywhere without it) and started singing some songs. One fan of several followed us and kept pestering Micheal to sing a U2 song. He wouldn't let up to point of an annoying mosquito. I could see that look on Michael's like WTF so I stepped in knowing Micheal was a huge CLASH fan. I started singing Straight To Hell on this crescent moon night at 1am, Michael started singing with me. To show the power of The Clash that dude backed off of his begging of singing U2.

    We sang that song al the way back to the hotel door. While changing he thanked me for stepping in I told him no biggie. It took us a couple hours to find the right club on a Tuesday night but we found Club 13 I think and danced and drank till dawn. It didn't get any better than that. :smile:

    Peace

    That's a great story! It reminds me of one that I didn't witness, but love it anyway, a small story... there was a guy named Gerry Harrington who promoted some of the Clash and Joe Strummer's shows in the LA area over the years, and Joe was in LA after the Clash broke up. They were in a restaurant and as they walked out there was a guy busking in the street, and as they approached the guy looked at them and said "Joe Strummer!" and started playing "Should I Stay or Should I Go"... Joe started laughing and said "That's Mick's song mate!" and the guy shrugged, and Joe still gave him $20. FIVE YEARS LATER Gerry and Joe were in the same neighborhood and saw the same guy. As they approached again the guy looked at them and said "Joe Strummer!" and started playing "Should I Stay" AGAIN. Joe busted out laughing and said "No no, that's still Mick's song! You never learn!" and Gerry said Joe had tears in his eyes he was laughing so hard. Joe gave the guy $40 that time...
    Post edited by JH6056 on
  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    edited August 2015
    Actually, probably the most relevant story I have for this website (and pretty much an example of getting to hear rock history explained by the history-makers)... in 2001 (year before Joe Strummer died) he played in Seattle at Experience Music Project. First off, the line up was supposed to be: Wallflowers headlining with Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros and Chris Whitley (4 years before he died) as support. When Jakob Dylan found out they'd play after Joe Strummer, as a huge Clash fan he refused and insisted they change the lineup so he wasn't headlining over Joe. I thought that was pretty damn cool...

    But by far the most "OhMyGAWD I can't believe I'm living this!!" moment came after Joe Strummer's set... I saw some familiar faces walking towards Strummer's dressing room and found a reason to enter soon after. One familiar face was Mike McCready, and as i walked in I heard Joe say "So... I heard I might've had something to do with you finding your singer..." and Mike proceeded to tell Joe the whole story of Ed working the club, meeting Jack Irons when he toured with Joe Strummer on "Earthquake Weather", then of course Jack getting Ed the tape of Stone and Jeff's music, etc... I didn't feel right staying in the room the whole time cuz I really only could pretend to have something to do in there for so long before I felt like I was intruding, so I left and didn't hear the end of how Mike told it. I know Joe's heard the story from Jack Irons, but it was so damn cool to hear McCready tell Strummer that story. History indeed!

    Jeff was also at the show...

    My other crossover moment was in '96 seeing PJ, I'd heard Jack Irons wasn't the most outgoing person, but I saw him after PJ's set wearing an Earthquake Weather shirt and went over to say hi. We talked for a moment and then I told him that Joe was a really pivotal figure in my life, and Jack proceeded to tell me the entire story of HIM in the Chili Peppers, Hillel's overdose, Jack's breakdown, him leaving music for awhile, and then Joe being the first musician he played and toured with after his recovery. If he hadn't told the whole story in Rolling Stone that same year, I wouldn't be repeating it here, but I know it's public record. Still it was unbelievable to have someone like Jack Irons tell me that whole story.

    PJ/Clash crossover is amazing. Felt lucky to be at the Hershey show in 2003 when PJ had those great shirts with "RIP Joe" on the sleeve (I think that's what they said - I still have mine for sure but haven't looked at it in a minute)
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  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    And one last bit of crossover... rumor has it Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros were in talks to open for PJ in what ended up being their 2003 tour... a year too late, sadly...
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,197
    JH6056 said:

    g under p said:

    JH6056 said:

    The Clash were to me what Pearl Jam are to so many here: they changed my world-view, they empowered me, and they raised the bar impossibly high for how good music and live shows should be. There were truly a force to be reckoned with.

    And if you listen to Red Angel Dragnet on Combat Rock, and listen to the very end of the song as it's fading out and Paul says "This is serious, she can't even get home!" he's talking about ME and my friend Kelly... we were school girls who hung around in Greenwich Village way too much at the time and they basically treated us like adopted little cousins or something. One of my enduring memories of the Combat Rock recording sessions at Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland Studios was sitting feet away in the control room as Joe Strummer and Allen Ginsberg wrote some of "Ghetto Defendant". Years later I saw Ginsberg open for Billy Bragg and mentioned this, and of all people Allen freakin' Ginsberg chastised me for being a young girl hanging out in a recording studio!!!

    Another funny memory was running into filmmaker Don Letts (made the Clash's "Westway to the World" documentary) and Johnny Lydon/Rotten at Studio 54 back in those days, and the first thing Don Letts said to my friend and I was "Why aren't you in SCHOOL???" We froze in our tracks, blinked, and then I said "....uh, because it's 2:00am on a Saturday?" Don laughed and said "Oh, ok, I guess that's alright then..."

    The Clash were the real fucking deal. Unparalleled.

    Lol that was a classic reply and The Clash were the efffing deal for sure.

    I've got a Clash related story....it was 2004 I went over to London to see my musician friend Micheal Franti played 3 nights in a row at The Jazz Cafe. This after just returning from Iraq, Isarel and Palestine. It was the end of the second night of a super rocking 3 hour show he played with broken bottle littered floor. He wanted for me and my friends to go dancing somewhere.

    So we all left the club to walk back to his hotel, Micheal had his guitar (he hardly went anywhere without it) and started singing some songs. One fan of several followed us and kept pestering Micheal to sing a U2 song. He wouldn't let up to point of an annoying mosquito. I could see that look on Michael's like WTF so I stepped in knowing Micheal was a huge CLASH fan. I started singing Straight To Hell on this crescent moon night at 1am, Michael started singing with me. To show the power of The Clash that dude backed off of his begging of singing U2.

    We sang that song al the way back to the hotel door. While changing he thanked me for stepping in I told him no biggie. It took us a couple hours to find the right club on a Tuesday night but we found Club 13 I think and danced and drank till dawn. It didn't get any better than that. :smile:

    Peace

    That's a great story! It reminds me of one that I didn't witness, but love it anyway, a small story... there was a guy named Gerry Harrington who promoted some of the Clash and Joe Strummer's shows in the LA area over the years, and Joe was in LA after the Clash broke up. They were in a restaurant and as they walked out there was a guy busking in the street, and as they approached the guy looked at them and said "Joe Strummer!" and started playing "Should I Stay or Should I Go"... Joe started laughing and said "That's Mick's song mate!" and the guy shrugged, and Joe still gave him $20. FIVE YEARS LATER Gerry and Joe were in the same neighborhood and saw the same guy. As they approached again the guy looked at them and said "Joe Strummer!" and started playing "Should I Stay" AGAIN. Joe busted out laughing and said "No no, that's still Mick's song! You never learn!" and Gerry said Joe had tears in his eyes he was laughing so hard. Joe gave the guy $40 that time...
    OMG...I'm sorry no fucking way THATS beyond CLASSIC I don't think I'll sleep tonight after reading that one. Wow!

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,517
    I first discovered The Clash in eighth grade....I bought London Calling based on the album cover. The Clash, as well as bands like Devo, Pretenders and The Boomtowm Rats totally changed my life back then.

    I consider myself lucky to have seen The Clash perform a few times....the last time I saw them with Mick, they opened for The Who in 1982......damn, I am old!

    I have a Clash concert poster hanging in my office, signed by Joe & Mick!
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,197
    I have to bring back this thread love this band,,,,,

    http://youtu.be/EfK-WX2pa8c

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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