Another Bullsh$@ Manufactured story to provoke the race card.

Last-12-Exit

josevolution said:

yeah does anyone have a link to the full report of this death anyone , Last12exit , muskyrat,rr ,justagirl

I'm pretty sure I've never claimed to have read a completed report. And also if you have been reading any of my posts, they are in response to the most recent facts/news that have been released.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

So It's conclusive that she hung herself that she actually did it ..ok then case closed she was demented and decided to kill herself over a traffic violation ....all cases should be so easy to figure out no police abuse here ok ....

(Sarcasm noted).

And it would be about race because the whole police/race issue would likely be what the cops murdered her over (to avoid being accused of it, given the arrest video). That's what I think is going on. That woman did not kill herself. I don't believe it for a second.

This comment contradicts what you've been saying your last couple of comments. I read this as you think the cop's killed her.

Wtf? Don't you guys know the difference between conjecture and making a definitive statement where knowledge is involved?? Right, I don't believe that the woman killed herself. That doesn't mean that I know a damn thing. And this whole time I have ALSO stated that I think a really thorough investigation needs to be done, and specifically said that even if the cops didn't do it, then they still need to figure out what went wrong so it doesn't happen again. Just referencing a couple of my many posts in this thread does not give a complete picture of what I've said overall. I think you, Thirty, know better than that.

PJ_Soul

JUST A GIRL said:

Thanks thirty bills. That's what I was referring to pj soul.

Can we all agree this was just a rush to conclusion due to the recent race issues in this country, and move on? She doesn't deserve this much attention or energy as we are using.

She killed her self. No sympathy for that. If she truly was hung by an officer in a jail cell, then I could undetstsnd, but it's been proven otherwise. I'll be moving on, and hopefully others can do the same.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not agreeing with that. The recent race issues with the cops were my very last though in this matter.
You do not know that she killed herself any more than I know she didn't, btw. Not in my opinion, anyway.

Why are you undervaluing this woman's life so much??

Last-12-Exit

The coroner concluded that this was suicide.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner concluded that this was suicide.

Yeah, because she was found hanging. I'm not satisfied with that conclusion, which is why more investigation is needed.

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner concluded that this was suicide.

Yeah, because she was found hanging. I'm not satisfied with that conclusion, which is why more investigation is needed.

Would you be satisfied if the video was in her cell? What you're insinuating is that the entire police department AND the coroner's office is involved in some sort of conspiracy.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner concluded that this was suicide.

Yeah, because she was found hanging. I'm not satisfied with that conclusion, which is why more investigation is needed.

Would you be satisfied if the video was in her cell? What you're insinuating is that the entire police department AND the coroner's office is involved in some sort of conspiracy.

No, I think the coroner just looked at how she died and made an assumption. I don't think he or she is involved in anything. I don't think the entire police station staff were all in on it either. I never said any such thing.

Look, I don't have a conspiracy theory here. At all. I simply think the whole thing seems fishy, and I don't think the woman actually killed herself. That's it. That's all I've ever really said. I actually think it's a pretty reasonable idea. I think it's ridiculous that some of you are acting like I'm saying man never landed on the moon.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Is there enough evidence that this is her fault and no one else's yet?

yes Muskydan & rr & LASTEXIT10 said so lol ...

No, my guess is that most are just angry the cops played no part in her death.

Bingo

No im more concerned that if my kid was to be arrested and died in custody id think we would get a real thorough investigation , you muskyrat & rr have already claimed investigation complete nothing to see here lets move on im more concerned that a person died or killed themselves in a fucking Jail cell with hundreds of cops there .....

No, I haven't. The conspiracy theories that many of you have claimed, like she was dead in her mugshot, was pretty much debunked by the release of this video.

In this particular case, the doubters feel this woman shouldn't have been arrested. Then she died. So many of you jumped to the idea that he cops killed her. The police initially released the video ofthe hallway nobody went down when she died. That wasn't enough for you guys. So then, the rumor was she was dead in her mugshot. Well, that's been squashed. What's next?

And I've never said I thought that the police were to blame for this death ...

Ok, "most of you" has some wiggle room.

Actually, I don't think anyone actually said the cops were to blame. I think the feeling is that that's a possibility, and a really intense investigation is needed to 1) rule that out, and 2) to figure out what did happen while a person died in police custody, since whether or not she was murdered, it shouldn't have happened, and we need to figure out how to prevent it in the future (hence the earlier discussion about the use of cameras or other kinds of surveillance in jails). IF she really did it to herself (something I still doubt, but never claimed to know), then that has to be investigated too, since it IS the responsibility of the police to keep those in their custody safe, from others and from themselves. And THEN there is the whole issue of the arrest itself, which I firmly believe was absolute bullshit on the part of that cop.

Most of the people in this thread thinks the cops killed this woman. Saying otherwise just means you're not reading the posts.

For the record, my entire participation in this thread has been about the arrest, and even though I feel the cop acted entirely like a dickwad, I don't hold him responsible.

Last-12-Exit

The coroner actaully plays a huge part in a murder/suicide investigation. They don't guess.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner actaully plays a huge part in a murder/suicide investigation. They don't guess.

And they have never been wrong?? Or based their findings on false information??

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner actaully plays a huge part in a murder/suicide investigation. They don't guess.

And they have never been wrong?? Or based their findings on false information??

I'm sure they've been wrong. But they don't get false information. Have you ever been around something like that?

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner actaully plays a huge part in a murder/suicide investigation. They don't guess.

And they have never been wrong?? Or based their findings on false information??

I'm sure they've been wrong. But they don't get false information. Have you ever been around something like that?

Well if some cop or other lied somewhere during the investigation, then they would end up with false info, no? .... Why am I coming back to OJ Simpson in my head.... wasn't there a lying a cop in that case?

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

The coroner actaully plays a huge part in a murder/suicide investigation. They don't guess.

And they have never been wrong?? Or based their findings on false information??

I'm sure they've been wrong. But they don't get false information. Have you ever been around something like that?

Well if some cop or other lied somewhere during the investigation, then they would end up with false info, no? .... Why am I coming back to OJ Simpson in my head.... wasn't there a lying a cop in that case?

I've always seen the coroner on the scene of the crime within an hour. Now, that absolutely doesn't mean shit couldn't have been tampered with. But coroner's typically can smell funny business.

That is from my own personal experience as a fireman. Not a cop. I'm not a cop and don't claim to be one.

dignin

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Is there enough evidence that this is her fault and no one else's yet?

yes Muskydan & rr & LASTEXIT10 said so lol ...

No, my guess is that most are just angry the cops played no part in her death.

Bingo

No im more concerned that if my kid was to be arrested and died in custody id think we would get a real thorough investigation , you muskyrat & rr have already claimed investigation complete nothing to see here lets move on im more concerned that a person died or killed themselves in a fucking Jail cell with hundreds of cops there .....

No, I haven't. The conspiracy theories that many of you have claimed, like she was dead in her mugshot, was pretty much debunked by the release of this video.

In this particular case, the doubters feel this woman shouldn't have been arrested. Then she died. So many of you jumped to the idea that he cops killed her. The police initially released the video ofthe hallway nobody went down when she died. That wasn't enough for you guys. So then, the rumor was she was dead in her mugshot. Well, that's been squashed. What's next?

And I've never said I thought that the police were to blame for this death ...

Ok, "most of you" has some wiggle room.

Actually, I don't think anyone actually said the cops were to blame. I think the feeling is that that's a possibility, and a really intense investigation is needed to 1) rule that out, and 2) to figure out what did happen while a person died in police custody, since whether or not she was murdered, it shouldn't have happened, and we need to figure out how to prevent it in the future (hence the earlier discussion about the use of cameras or other kinds of surveillance in jails). IF she really did it to herself (something I still doubt, but never claimed to know), then that has to be investigated too, since it IS the responsibility of the police to keep those in their custody safe, from others and from themselves. And THEN there is the whole issue of the arrest itself, which I firmly believe was absolute bullshit on the part of that cop.

Most of the people in this thread thinks the cops killed this woman. Saying otherwise just means you're not reading the posts.

For the record, my entire participation in this thread has been about the arrest, and even though I feel the cop acted entirely like a dickwad, I don't hold him responsible.

Pretty much the same on my end, other than my comments about waiting for the investigation to finish before drawing conclusions....and that an outside investigation should be warranted whenever someone dies in police custody.

dignin

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/opinion/on-the-death-of-sandra-bland-and-our-vulnerable-bodies.html

During the ill-fated traffic stop, most of which was caught on camera, Mr. Encinia asked Ms. Bland why she was irritated and she told him. She answered the question she was asked. Her voice was steady, confident. Mr. Encinia didn’t like her tone, as if she should be joyful about a traffic stop. He told Ms. Bland to put her cigarette out and she refused. The situation escalated. Mr. Encinia threatened to light her up with his Taser. Ms. Bland was forced to leave her car. She continued to protest. She was placed in handcuffs. She was treated horribly. She was treated as less than human. She protested her treatment. She knew and stated her rights but it did not matter. Her black life and her black body did not matter.

Because Sandra Bland was driving while black, because she was not subservient in the manner this trooper preferred, a routine traffic stop became a death sentence. Even if Ms. Bland did commit suicide, there is an entire system of injustice whose fingerprints left bruises on her throat.

In his impassioned new memoir, “Between the World and Me,” Ta-Nehisi Coates writes, “In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body — it is heritage.” I would take this bold claim a step further. It is also traditional to try and destroy the black spirit. I don’t want to believe our spirits can be broken. Nonetheless, increasingly, as a black woman in America, I do not feel alive. I feel like I am not yet dead.

rgambs

dignin said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Is there enough evidence that this is her fault and no one else's yet?

yes Muskydan & rr & LASTEXIT10 said so lol ...

No, my guess is that most are just angry the cops played no part in her death.

Bingo

No im more concerned that if my kid was to be arrested and died in custody id think we would get a real thorough investigation , you muskyrat & rr have already claimed investigation complete nothing to see here lets move on im more concerned that a person died or killed themselves in a fucking Jail cell with hundreds of cops there .....

No, I haven't. The conspiracy theories that many of you have claimed, like she was dead in her mugshot, was pretty much debunked by the release of this video.

In this particular case, the doubters feel this woman shouldn't have been arrested. Then she died. So many of you jumped to the idea that he cops killed her. The police initially released the video ofthe hallway nobody went down when she died. That wasn't enough for you guys. So then, the rumor was she was dead in her mugshot. Well, that's been squashed. What's next?

And I've never said I thought that the police were to blame for this death ...

Ok, "most of you" has some wiggle room.

Actually, I don't think anyone actually said the cops were to blame. I think the feeling is that that's a possibility, and a really intense investigation is needed to 1) rule that out, and 2) to figure out what did happen while a person died in police custody, since whether or not she was murdered, it shouldn't have happened, and we need to figure out how to prevent it in the future (hence the earlier discussion about the use of cameras or other kinds of surveillance in jails). IF she really did it to herself (something I still doubt, but never claimed to know), then that has to be investigated too, since it IS the responsibility of the police to keep those in their custody safe, from others and from themselves. And THEN there is the whole issue of the arrest itself, which I firmly believe was absolute bullshit on the part of that cop.

Most of the people in this thread thinks the cops killed this woman. Saying otherwise just means you're not reading the posts.

For the record, my entire participation in this thread has been about the arrest, and even though I feel the cop acted entirely like a dickwad, I don't hold him responsible.

Pretty much the same on my end, other than my comments about waiting for the investigation to finish before drawing conclusions....and that an outside investigation should be warranted whenever someone dies in police custody.

Absolutely agree on outside investigation. I don't think anybody should be trusted to self-regulate.
Military, police, banks, politicians, media, industries...none of them can be trusted.

PJfanwillneverleave1

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Is there enough evidence that this is her fault and no one else's yet?

yes Muskydan & rr & LASTEXIT10 said so lol ...

No, my guess is that most are just angry the cops played no part in her death.

Bingo

No im more concerned that if my kid was to be arrested and died in custody id think we would get a real thorough investigation , you muskyrat & rr have already claimed investigation complete nothing to see here lets move on im more concerned that a person died or killed themselves in a fucking Jail cell with hundreds of cops there .....

No, I haven't. The conspiracy theories that many of you have claimed, like she was dead in her mugshot, was pretty much debunked by the release of this video.

In this particular case, the doubters feel this woman shouldn't have been arrested. Then she died. So many of you jumped to the idea that he cops killed her. The police initially released the video ofthe hallway nobody went down when she died. That wasn't enough for you guys. So then, the rumor was she was dead in her mugshot. Well, that's been squashed. What's next?

And I've never said I thought that the police were to blame for this death ...

Ok, "most of you" has some wiggle room.

Actually, I don't think anyone actually said the cops were to blame. I think the feeling is that that's a possibility, and a really intense investigation is needed to 1) rule that out, and 2) to figure out what did happen while a person died in police custody, since whether or not she was murdered, it shouldn't have happened, and we need to figure out how to prevent it in the future (hence the earlier discussion about the use of cameras or other kinds of surveillance in jails). IF she really did it to herself (something I still doubt, but never claimed to know), then that has to be investigated too, since it IS the responsibility of the police to keep those in their custody safe, from others and from themselves. And THEN there is the whole issue of the arrest itself, which I firmly believe was absolute bullshit on the part of that cop.

Most of the people in this thread thinks the cops killed this woman. Saying otherwise just means you're not reading the posts.

For the record, my entire participation in this thread has been about the arrest, and even though I feel the cop acted entirely like a dickwad, I don't hold him responsible.

Pretty much the same on my end, other than my comments about waiting for the investigation to finish before drawing conclusions....and that an outside investigation should be warranted whenever someone dies in police custody.

Absolutely agree on outside investigation. I don't think anybody should be trusted to self-regulate.
Military, police, banks, politicians, media, industries...none of them can be trusted.

That only leaves the fine upstanding general public to self-regulate.
Ideal!

Jason P

What the heck would be a motive for the jailers to kill this lady?

Street cops don't work as jailers. Does it make any sense that a street cop would convince jailers to kill this lady? "Hey Bob, this lady wouldn't put her cigarette out ... Can you kill her and make it look like a suicide? No one will be the wiser since we are living in a time where white cops / black people are at a boiling point. See you next Thursday at bowling, Bob "

Cops are dicks to anyone that questions their authority. I know from first hand experience.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Last-12-Exit said:

josevolution said:

JUST A GIRL said:

Is there enough evidence that this is her fault and no one else's yet?

yes Muskydan & rr & LASTEXIT10 said so lol ...

No, my guess is that most are just angry the cops played no part in her death.

Bingo

No im more concerned that if my kid was to be arrested and died in custody id think we would get a real thorough investigation , you muskyrat & rr have already claimed investigation complete nothing to see here lets move on im more concerned that a person died or killed themselves in a fucking Jail cell with hundreds of cops there .....

No, I haven't. The conspiracy theories that many of you have claimed, like she was dead in her mugshot, was pretty much debunked by the release of this video.

In this particular case, the doubters feel this woman shouldn't have been arrested. Then she died. So many of you jumped to the idea that he cops killed her. The police initially released the video ofthe hallway nobody went down when she died. That wasn't enough for you guys. So then, the rumor was she was dead in her mugshot. Well, that's been squashed. What's next?

And I've never said I thought that the police were to blame for this death ...

Ok, "most of you" has some wiggle room.

Actually, I don't think anyone actually said the cops were to blame. I think the feeling is that that's a possibility, and a really intense investigation is needed to 1) rule that out, and 2) to figure out what did happen while a person died in police custody, since whether or not she was murdered, it shouldn't have happened, and we need to figure out how to prevent it in the future (hence the earlier discussion about the use of cameras or other kinds of surveillance in jails). IF she really did it to herself (something I still doubt, but never claimed to know), then that has to be investigated too, since it IS the responsibility of the police to keep those in their custody safe, from others and from themselves. And THEN there is the whole issue of the arrest itself, which I firmly believe was absolute bullshit on the part of that cop.

Most of the people in this thread thinks the cops killed this woman. Saying otherwise just means you're not reading the posts.

For the record, my entire participation in this thread has been about the arrest, and even though I feel the cop acted entirely like a dickwad, I don't hold him responsible.

Pretty much the same on my end, other than my comments about waiting for the investigation to finish before drawing conclusions....and that an outside investigation should be warranted whenever someone dies in police custody.

Absolutely agree on outside investigation. I don't think anybody should be trusted to self-regulate.
Military, police, banks, politicians, media, industries...none of them can be trusted.

That only leaves the fine upstanding general public to self-regulate.
Ideal!

Of course not the public either, that's obvious

JUST A GIRL

I've moved on. I explained how I felt above.

But I must say, in the span of one page I'm seeing talk about the moon landing, and the oj case, to back up your (incorrect) theory. Just admit you're wrong or let it go.

I can't help myself but to say tho... No ones ever been on the moon. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell ya. Google "a funny thing happened on the way to the moon" as it has some great insight to the supposed moon landing we all know.

I'll back up my claim with this. If we went to the moon in 1969 (lol) then why haven't we had a man back on it since? Because it never happened!