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should terrorist kidnappers be paid ?

Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited June 2015 in A Moving Train
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/24/enriching-enemy-administration-under-fire-for-opening-door-to-terror-ransoms/

should terrorist kidnappers be paid ? 17 votes

yes, what ever might help
5%
Amongst the Ani 1 vote
no, they will kill them anyway
64%
MayDay10bootlegger10know1usamamasan1callenmarkymark550rr165892ShawshankGodfather.joseph33joanmarie 11 votes
not sure
29%
jeffbrcaifan82JimmyVFrankieGbrianlux 5 votes

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    no, they will kill them anyway
    Bad move to start paying them.

    Only benefit Maybe get intel to free them.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,335
    not sure
    Hard to tell a family whose loved ones have been abducted that they shouldn't pay.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    no, they will kill them anyway
    JimmyV said:

    Hard to tell a family whose loved ones have been abducted that they shouldn't pay.

    agreed.. i couldn't imagine.

    Godfather.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,112
    edited June 2015
    There aren't enough options here. I say no, but not because they will kill them anyway (that's not necessarily true). I say no because it encourages other people to kidnap for ransom (but you're right, few families of the kidnapped would be so ready to say that). Also, why are we singling out terrorist kidnappers? The same question applies to all kidnappers who are willing to talk ransom.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,165
    They can't pay because it will open them up to lawsuits. When they save one guy for $1M ransom but then balk at a $25M ransom for someone else and that person is then killed, families are going to sue.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    no, they will kill them anyway
    Jason P said:

    They can't pay because it will open them up to lawsuits. When they save one guy for $1M ransom but then balk at a $25M ransom for someone else and that person is then killed, families are going to sue.

    better tell obama about that....LOL!

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    no, they will kill them anyway
    PJ_Soul said:

    There are enough options here. I say no, but not because they will kill them anyway (that's not necessarily true). I say no because it encourages other people to kidnap for ransom (but you're right, few families of the kidnapped would be so ready to say that). Also, why are we singling out terrorist kidnappers? The same question applies to all kidnappers who are willing to talk ransom.

    you bet, but but the article used the term terrorist...so used that.

    Godfather.



  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,112
    edited June 2015
    Godfather. said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There are enough options here. I say no, but not because they will kill them anyway (that's not necessarily true). I say no because it encourages other people to kidnap for ransom (but you're right, few families of the kidnapped would be so ready to say that). Also, why are we singling out terrorist kidnappers? The same question applies to all kidnappers who are willing to talk ransom.

    you bet, but but the article used the term terrorist...so used that.

    Godfather.

    Ha, I didn't even realize there was a link there. :tongue: Okay, well there are two sides and I agree with both, kind of. I don't think they should be paid because it encourages more kidnapping and legitimizes the tactic. But since they're just saying that it's the families making the decision and paying.... I don't know if you can force a family not to do it. If they try, then families will take matters into their own hands anyway, no? That could cause even more problems, especially if the families trying to pay against the government's advice will be punished for trying to save their loved one.... It's really a rock and a hard place I suppose. I still have to say they government needs to have a no exceptions rules against it, but no rules stopping families from trying to help independently. I don't think the government should be involved in helping the families negotiate.

    I was shocked, btw, when Obama actually went through with that prisoner release last year in order to get that soldier back (was it from the Taliban? Can't even remember now). I didn't think that was a good idea at all.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    The government isn't going to pay, are they? I took it as the government won't stop the families from paying.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,112
    edited June 2015
    Last-12-Exit said:

    The government isn't going to pay, are they? I took it as the government won't stop the families from paying.

    That's my impression from the article as well, but it sounds like the government wants to actively facilitate the families in doing so, which I also don't think they should do.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,165
    Our response is this ...

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  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,178
    no, they will kill them anyway
    On the greater scale, I would say no, don't pay ransoms. However, if I had a family member that was kidnapped, I would do everything in my power to bring them back safely. I can't fault those that would want to pay the ransom.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,708
    not sure
    Generally I would say "no" but went with "not sure" because I would want to assess each case on its own depending on circumstances. I have to say I'm glad that's not my job.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    not sure
    Last-12-Exit said:

    The government isn't going to pay, are they? I took it as the government won't stop the families from paying.

    Right. This isn't about the gov't paying ransoms. It is about the gov't not blocking families from paying, and not prosecuting them for paying ransoms. I'm glad Obama cleared the way for families to have this as an option that might help to get their loved ones home. It would be a horrible precedent for our government to pay ransoms, but that's not what is being done here. Kudos to POTUS on this one.
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  • Amongst the AniAmongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    yes, what ever might help
    If you have the funds as an individual and it is your loved one why shouldn't you be allowed to do what you think is right. Future kidnappers will do what they want regardless and it could change the way kidnapped people are treated. The Somali pirates did not kill their hostages. They saw it as bad for business. Now them getting ransom enabled the behavior to get as bad as it did but the alternative with shit like Isis beheading people is worse.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    How about stay out of the country that has these "terrorists" in the first place. This way they can't kidnap them in the first place.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,674
    Never. you can't begin to give in. once you do it just gives them more reason to do it more often.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    badbrains said:

    How about stay out of the country that has these "terrorists" in the first place. This way they can't kidnap them in the first place.

    Meh,
    "terrorists" or not
    kidnapping is a fancy word for POW
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    no, they will kill them anyway
    bottom line is this n
    badbrains said:

    How about stay out of the country that has these "terrorists" in the first place. This way they can't kidnap them in the first place.

    agreed !

    Godfather.

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,165
    Plus they would just use the money to buy more weapons to kill more people.

    It looks like the Cult is having a busy week. Drowning people in cages. Setting people on fire alive. Blowing peoples heads off with Running Man like neck explosives. Cutting peoples heads off in France. Shooting tourists in Tunisia. They still have the weekend to go.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,165
    edited June 2015
    Jason P said:

    Plus they would just use the money to buy more weapons to kill more people.

    It looks like the Cult is having a busy week. Drowning people in cages. Setting people on fire alive. Blowing peoples heads off with Running Man like neck explosives. Cutting peoples heads off in France. Shooting tourists in Tunisia. They still have the weekend to go.

    edit: Just learned the Cult killed at least 146 civilians in the Syrian town of Kobani

    edit #2: Just learned the Cult blew up people in a mosque in Kuwait.
    Post edited by Jason P on
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,335
    not sure
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    no, they will kill them anyway
    As long as we tax the ransom money, I'm good with it.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    no, they will kill them anyway
    Fuck no.
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