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JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
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This is unimaginable cruelty that cannot be allowed to continue. This is not about food choice or one culture looking down on another. This is about torturing animals because you believe the meat will taste better. Boiling them, skinning them, burning them...while they still live. Horrifying on so many levels.

*Fair warning, this is a difficult rabbits hole to go down. The images are haunting because the treatment of these animals is so brutal.

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It’s difficult to look at images of extreme animal cruelty, but not looking at them doesn’t mean the cruelty isn’t happening, it just means that we choose to close our eyes.

For the thousands of dogs and cats enduring a brutal death for China’s dog meat festival in Yulin this coming weekend, they have no choice. These poor animals, mostly stolen pets and strays, will be beaten to death and even in some cases boiled and burned alive, so that their meat can be eaten during the festival. They will die a truly horrible death, their last moments on this earth filled with fear and pain.

https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-people-s-republic-of-china-stop-the-yulin-dog-meat-eating-festival

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/if-we-dont-stop-the-yulin-meat-festival-thousands-of-dogs-and-cats-will-be-bludgeoned-to-death-and-eaten-10328397.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131202/Business-booming-Yulin-No-1-Crispy-Dog-Meat-restaurant-Shocking-cats-canines-crammed-cages-ready-slaughter-days-ahead-meat-festival-s-outraged-world.html
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Very disturbing indeed. I saw some videos of what they do to these poor dogs. Humans suck big donkey balls
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    I've read about this before and it's hugely disturbing.

    And besides that, OK, I need a little help here. Most of you know me (by my words at least) enough to know I am anti-racist, anti-bigot, anti-hate, etc. I'm generally at least very accepting of, and often admiring of other cultures. But over the last number of years, the more I read and hear about Chinese culture the more I have a problem with so much of it. A woman I know very well and for a long time who has spent a good deal of time in many countries all around the world and immerse herself in their people and cultures, who is very liberal/progressive, is very well educated and who has had many wonderful things to tell and share about the many culture she has experienced recently told me, "I will never go back to China. I really have severe issues with that culture." Hearing this did not do much to quell my own growing bias regarding the Chinese culture. I don't like having this kind of bias. I have no problem saying I despise racists or people who are cruel to animals or people who rape or abuse women, but it really bothers me that I have this growing disdain for China's culture, not all the people there of course, but with so much of their culture. I know there are many good people in China. I've known people who were born in China or of Chinese decent who are marvelously wonderful people. Maybe they hated their country and thus move to the U.S. I don't know.

    So is this just a small minority of people in a large country who are giving it a bad name? Is there something I am missing here? Or is China as a culture and country really as f'd up as it seems to me to be?

    I'm really trying not to judge here. It's difficult as hell to face ones own biases. :frowning:
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    There's definitely something wrong with using a blowtorch on a live dog.

    We treat some animals pretty damn badly too though. Farming practices in some of our 'highly developed' regions leave much to be desired.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/graphic-video-allegedly-shows-animal-cruelty-at-two-alberta-chicken-farms/article14957104/
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    edited June 2015
    It absolutely does, Thirty. Hard to watch a documentary on factory farming and continue to enjoy meat.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    brianlux said:

    I've read about this before and it's hugely disturbing.

    And besides that, OK, I need a little help here. Most of you know me (by my words at least) enough to know I am anti-racist, anti-bigot, anti-hate, etc. I'm generally at least very accepting of, and often admiring of other cultures. But over the last number of years, the more I read and hear about Chinese culture the more I have a problem with so much of it. A woman I know very well and for a long time who has spent a good deal of time in many countries all around the world and immerse herself in their people and cultures, who is very liberal/progressive, is very well educated and who has had many wonderful things to tell and share about the many culture she has experienced recently told me, "I will never go back to China. I really have severe issues with that culture." Hearing this did not do much to quell my own growing bias regarding the Chinese culture. I don't like having this kind of bias. I have no problem saying I despise racists or people who are cruel to animals or people who rape or abuse women, but it really bothers me that I have this growing disdain for China's culture, not all the people there of course, but with so much of their culture. I know there are many good people in China. I've known people who were born in China or of Chinese decent who are marvelously wonderful people. Maybe they hated their country and thus move to the U.S. I don't know.

    So is this just a small minority of people in a large country who are giving it a bad name? Is there something I am missing here? Or is China as a culture and country really as f'd up as it seems to me to be?

    I'm really trying not to judge here. It's difficult as hell to face ones own biases. :frowning:

    I don't know enough about Chinese culture to answer for sure but my bet would be it is just a small minority in each instance. Or at least a segment of the population not truly indicative of the whole. Imagine someone in China looking at the SC shooter and using that as the baseline to judge American culture. I think all big countries have their kooks.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    There's definitely something wrong with using a blowtorch on a live dog.

    We treat some animals pretty damn badly too though. Farming practices in some of our 'highly developed' regions leave much to be desired.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/graphic-video-allegedly-shows-animal-cruelty-at-two-alberta-chicken-farms/article14957104/

    Hell yeah - and our hypocrisy (that of people in general) isn't lost on me.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JimmyV said:

    brianlux said:

    I've read about this before and it's hugely disturbing.

    And besides that, OK, I need a little help here. Most of you know me (by my words at least) enough to know I am anti-racist, anti-bigot, anti-hate, etc. I'm generally at least very accepting of, and often admiring of other cultures. But over the last number of years, the more I read and hear about Chinese culture the more I have a problem with so much of it. A woman I know very well and for a long time who has spent a good deal of time in many countries all around the world and immerse herself in their people and cultures, who is very liberal/progressive, is very well educated and who has had many wonderful things to tell and share about the many culture she has experienced recently told me, "I will never go back to China. I really have severe issues with that culture." Hearing this did not do much to quell my own growing bias regarding the Chinese culture. I don't like having this kind of bias. I have no problem saying I despise racists or people who are cruel to animals or people who rape or abuse women, but it really bothers me that I have this growing disdain for China's culture, not all the people there of course, but with so much of their culture. I know there are many good people in China. I've known people who were born in China or of Chinese decent who are marvelously wonderful people. Maybe they hated their country and thus move to the U.S. I don't know.

    So is this just a small minority of people in a large country who are giving it a bad name? Is there something I am missing here? Or is China as a culture and country really as f'd up as it seems to me to be?

    I'm really trying not to judge here. It's difficult as hell to face ones own biases. :frowning:

    I don't know enough about Chinese culture to answer for sure but my bet would be it is just a small minority in each instance. Or at least a segment of the population not truly indicative of the whole. Imagine someone in China looking at the SC shooter and using that as the baseline to judge American culture. I think all big countries have their kooks.

    Well, that's the thing, I have problems with our culture too. And yes, Thirty, we North Americans have done our share of animal brutality but at this point in our histories, those things (though they do still occur) are generally not socially acceptable.

    But then, on second thought, we are very cruel to our livestock and poultry and generally don't realize what is going on or turn our backs on it. So maybe the Chinese are simply more honest about their abuse.

    Or maybe it is just that people in general are f... Ah man...I really don't know.

    Shakin' my head.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    There's being honest about abuse, and there is celebrating brutality. This festival is the latter.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:

    There's being honest about abuse, and there is celebrating brutality. This festival is the latter.

    Agreed. Our factory abuse is at least something that repulses 90% if is when exposed to it, it seems to be pretty acceptable over there.
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  • JWPearlJWPearl Posts: 19,893
    thank God armegeddon is coming...!!!!!
    thats why hes away...hes very busy...;)
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JWPearl said:

    thank God armegeddon is coming...!!!!!
    thats why hes away...hes very busy...;)

    Hahaha when was he not away?
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Glad I withheld my admittedly-lame joke about Armageddon coming and what a mess he'd make in doing so.

    (whoops)
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JimmyV said:

    There's being honest about abuse, and there is celebrating brutality. This festival is the latter.

    Excellent point. Thank you, Jimmy.





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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JimmyV said:

    There's being honest about abuse, and there is celebrating brutality. This festival is the latter.

    This pretty much sums it up for me.
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  • AnnafalkAnnafalk Posts: 4,004
    Horrible, how can anyone be this cruel?
    Things like this make people look down on China with disgust.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Still wearing collars. Stolen from the families that love them.

    Charity workers have managed to salvage or buy hundreds of dogs, cats and kittens – which have this year been added to the menu - from traders before they faced being cruelly beaten then killed.

    Many were still wearing collars – proving these innocent animals had been stolen from their owners who had been keeping them as pets.

    Adam Parascandola for Humane Society International said: “It’s nauseating to think that these poor guys were next to be beaten to death and eaten.

    “We know that these are only a small number compared to the thousands who have already suffered and died, but every life saved is precious.”

    Up to 10,000 cats and dogs are due to be slaughtered today during the Yulin Dog Meat Festival in China.


    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/585965/China-Yulin-Dog-Meat-Festival-Dogs-cats-rescued-Ricky-Gervais
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  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    I hesitated opening this thread and greatly appreciate the warning in the title. Luckily I guess cuz of the size of my monitor the photo was not visible without scrolling down a bit so I hit the End key and was able to avoid all photographs in this thread.

    I am not personally capable of forming a politically correct opinion on this issue (or any issue of animal abuse whether it's dog fighting, game hunting, poaching, animal hoarding, whatever) but those motherfuckers should be skinned flayed and roasted on a spit while alive. Fuck those people.

    And yes I realize as a meat-eater and a consumer of non organic free range ethically raised locally sourced meat products I am being at least slightly hypocritical here. I give zero fucks. I don't generally oppose hunting when the hunters take their dead animal to be butchered into food, but THIS shit do not count I dont give two shits if they are eating them or not.
    Bastards.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Have you ever been eating Chinese (Asian) food and you start to chew a piece of meat that just seems to be unchewable yet you eat it anyways? (unless you are alone and spit it out)
    Wonder what that is....
  • ldent42ldent42 Posts: 7,859
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Have you ever been eating Chinese (Asian) food and you start to chew a piece of meat that just seems to be unchewable yet you eat it anyways? (unless you are alone and spit it out)
    Wonder what that is....

    I get the joke you're making but I'ma be honest and tell you that I do spit out overly chewy pieces of meat. I am actually weird about it. Like I order chicken noodle soup with no chicken. But even with like Chicken Broccoli or Chicken w Cashew Nuts or Hawaiian chicken. If it looks funny I won't eat it.

    Stick to the Lo Mein folks!
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    I wouldn't mind a drone strike. End the dogs suffereing
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I've thought about this a ton. I spoke rather softly in my first response, but the images I have seen and what I have come to understand about this event have placed me in the position where I feel many (if not most) participants in this gruesome gorefest are subhuman. The level of depravity on display is loathsome and quite frankly, criminal.

    I'm okay with people eating dogs, but I'm just not okay with tying them to a tree and beating them with sticks in front of big cheering crowds. I'm not okay with boiling them alive. And I'm not okay with taking a blowtorch and cooking them alive. These things make me angry and want to punch people in the face... or grab them by the neck, lead them to a tree, tie them to it, and beat them with their sticks for a little while (I don't have the stomach for boiling cauldrons of water or blowtorches).

    * For the record, the farms that cruelly abuse the animals we eat evoke a very similar response within me. My household isn't perfect, but we spend additional money to buy our meats fresh from the butcher we trust, as well as buy eggs from a colleague that has free range chickens. There are periodic lapses where we compromise our values based on time and place though making me, ultimately, a hypocrite to some degree.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I've thought about this a ton. I spoke rather softly in my first response, but the images I have seen and what I have come to understand about this event have placed me in the position where I feel many (if not most) participants in this gruesome gorefest are subhuman. The level of depravity on display is loathsome and quite frankly, criminal.

    I'm okay with people eating dogs, but I'm just not okay with tying them to a tree and beating them with sticks in front of big cheering crowds. I'm not okay with boiling them alive. And I'm not okay with taking a blowtorch and cooking them alive. These things make me angry and want to punch people in the face... or grab them by the neck, lead them to a tree, tie them to it, and beat them with their sticks for a little while (I don't have the stomach for boiling cauldrons of water or blowtorches).

    * For the record, the farms that cruelly abuse the animals we eat evoke a very similar response within me. My household isn't perfect, but we spend additional money to buy our meats fresh from the butcher we trust, as well as buy eggs from a colleague that has free range chickens. There are periodic lapses where we compromise our values based on time and place though making me, ultimately, a hypocrite to some degree.

    Agreed on all counts. I have been haunted by this the last few days. The cruelty these animals have been made to suffer is medieval.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,501
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I've thought about this a ton. I spoke rather softly in my first response, but the images I have seen and what I have come to understand about this event have placed me in the position where I feel many (if not most) participants in this gruesome gorefest are subhuman. The level of depravity on display is loathsome and quite frankly, criminal.

    I'm okay with people eating dogs, but I'm just not okay with tying them to a tree and beating them with sticks in front of big cheering crowds. I'm not okay with boiling them alive. And I'm not okay with taking a blowtorch and cooking them alive. These things make me angry and want to punch people in the face... or grab them by the neck, lead them to a tree, tie them to it, and beat them with their sticks for a little while (I don't have the stomach for boiling cauldrons of water or blowtorches).

    * For the record, the farms that cruelly abuse the animals we eat evoke a very similar response within me. My household isn't perfect, but we spend additional money to buy our meats fresh from the butcher we trust, as well as buy eggs from a colleague that has free range chickens. There are periodic lapses where we compromise our values based on time and place though making me, ultimately, a hypocrite to some degree.

    I agree with this 100%. And a drone strike would be good too.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I've thought about this a ton. I spoke rather softly in my first response, but the images I have seen and what I have come to understand about this event have placed me in the position where I feel many (if not most) participants in this gruesome gorefest are subhuman. The level of depravity on display is loathsome and quite frankly, criminal.

    I'm okay with people eating dogs, but I'm just not okay with tying them to a tree and beating them with sticks in front of big cheering crowds. I'm not okay with boiling them alive. And I'm not okay with taking a blowtorch and cooking them alive. These things make me angry and want to punch people in the face... or grab them by the neck, lead them to a tree, tie them to it, and beat them with their sticks for a little while (I don't have the stomach for boiling cauldrons of water or blowtorches).

    * For the record, the farms that cruelly abuse the animals we eat evoke a very similar response within me. My household isn't perfect, but we spend additional money to buy our meats fresh from the butcher we trust, as well as buy eggs from a colleague that has free range chickens. There are periodic lapses where we compromise our values based on time and place though making me, ultimately, a hypocrite to some degree.

    I agree with this 100%. And a drone strike would be good too.
    I hear you, man. Jimmy... I'm hearing you too.

    It's cruelty- plain and simple. Go ahead and eat the dogs if that is your chosen protein, but for fuks sakes... don't torture the animals with smiles on your faces and eyes gleaming prior to killing them.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I'm not much of a pet person (but my dog loves me) but I would never hurt a dog...cat.. what ever so there is no way I'm watching that stuff, thanks for the warning. while I like a big fat steak, hamburger
    pork, deer meat etc there is just some things I can't do and to torture any animal is just evil to me.

    Godfather.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    mans best friend, also, a delicious source of protein
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    usamamasan1 said:

    mans best friend, also, a delicious source of protein

    is it best to wok the dog before meals ?

    Godfather.

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