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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,234
    This election is not about left vs right.

    It's not about conservative vs liberal.

    It's not about Democrat vs Republican.

    We are light years beyond such petty nuances. This election is about one thing and one thing only; preserving America.

    Anything and everything else is a distraction. Don't let the professional politicians and mewling media take your eye off the ball. If Trump gets this issue right, other issues will have a productive environment in which they may be addressed.

    Trump's platform proposes to preserve America in four ways.

    Both legal and illegal immigration are to be paused and then strictly controlled so that Americans can once again have access to good-paying jobs and our culture given time to recover and assimilate immigrants after decades of extreme abuse. (To identify where you stand on this issue ask yourself one question; do I lock my front door at night?)
    No more bad trade deals that put America at a disadvantage. This specifically refers to the recently signed but yet to be voted on 50,000 page TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) that ships even more American jobs overseas, cedes important aspects of our national sovereignty to world courts, and inflicts other injuries upon Americans. (To identify where you stand on this issue ask yourself one question; do I trust anything 50,000 pages long written by the attorneys of global special interests?)
    Root out the deception, malfeasance, and corruption systemic to the faceless, unaccountable bureaucracies that choke out our liberties and bury us under mountains of debt with each passing day.
    Strengthen our military, not so that it can continue ill-advised nation building boondoggles, but so that it can be ready for any eventuality and to protect our interests in this increasingly dangerous world.

    As it so happens no other candidate would even be paying lip service to the preservation of America, preferring instead to pretend touchy problems like this don't exist, if Trump hadn't forced the issue to the forefront.

    There are other items in Trump's platform, but they will mean nothing if we don't get the four sides of American preservation correct. If our teetering Humpty Dumpty system falls, the political and donor classes cannot put it back together again and it will be us, not them, that do the suffering.

    You may feel that Trump is a shallow narcissist and libertine, nonetheless you probably also possess an abiding sense that he has the ability to do what no other candidate can; go to DC, kick ass, mock political correctness, build a wall, bring manufacturing home, and end the GOPe’s persistent fixation with remaking the Muslim world.

    But keep in mind this has nothing to do with liking him, feelings are not your friend this election cycle. This has to do with needing his particular skill set and his unique position of being constitutionally incapable of being bought off and absolutely impervious to threats, intimidation, and being pwned by anyone, let alone globalist puppeteers.

    However, if you must let feelings guide you in this decision, know this; it sounds ironic, but billionaire Trump is us, he is for the American worker, he is a nationalist that knows America can once again be the greatest nation on Earth. No one in politics since Ronald Reagan has advocated for the little guy, and no one, no one, knows not only how the game is played, but how the deck is stacked against us, the regular, hardworking, American people.

    The one position of Trump's that has not evolved over the years, as can be seen on YouTube in many interviews starting in the 80s, is his love for America and Americans. He has been rock-solid consistent on this. And it is this love, this over-arching, under-girding value that creates his passion and drives his positions. Contrast this with our current President who began his administration on a world-apology tour in which he sought to ease his manufactured guilt by pleading for forgiveness from many countries for the heinous crime of American exceptionalism.





    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,234
    So, the big question is what will Trump do if elected President? The answer is, I don’t know. I know he has an amazing track record of success, I know what he claims he will do, but will he actually follow through? Or is it all BS? I simply don’t know.

    I do, however, know the answer for all other candidates. And that is they will all do the same thing they have been doing, with minor variations, for the past 27 years; looking out for the best interests of themselves and their globalist donors.

    With Trump the worst that can happen is that he succumbs to Beltway Fever and stabs us in the back. Since that is what all other candidates would do anyway, as has every president since 1989, there is nothing to lose on this front.

    America cannot continue the death spiral it has seen for the past seven presidential cycles. America cannot survive its current deterioration—politically, socially, economically, militarily and culturally. Trump will not reverse this deadly national trend solely by his effort, but he can be the critical catalyst and driving power that gets the ball rolling. He owes no favors to anyone other than the American people. He may well be the last great hope to not only help make America great again, but to help America survive.

    This is our last chance. It is similar to the “point of no return” global warming alarmists keep talking about, except America's data models are not falsified. At our current rate of cultural transformation, if we don’t break the donor fever grip now, we never will. This kind of correction is no just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, it’s a once-in-a-millennium opportunity.

    We need this.

    We need an Alpha Leader.

    We need Trump.

    But it's not easy and it's not comfortable. Supporting Trump means gazing upon the rot and disrepair we know exists. Supporting Trump means not ignoring the insufferable issues evident by hiding problems, the rust, represented by ruling class frontmen such as Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, U.S. Chamber of Commerce, et al under layers of shiny paint (McCain, Romney, Kasich, Clinton, Rubio).

    As if to confirm this, the most telling indicator that Trump is on the right path is that Republicans, Democrats, and the media all fear and loathe him. That tidbit alone tells me he's the best candidate.

    I'll be polling for Trump, the only candidate that can possibly make any sort of change for the better. I want you to do the same (little Nick can't, yet).

    Utah has changed up the primary rules this year. They will have caucus meetings like normal if you'd like to go and spend an evening arguing with neighbors, but they will also have an easy, online Presidential Preference Poll where you can select only the candidate you want to win the nomination.

    To access this you'll need to register as a Republican voter. I know, I know. I've been independent for 15 years now, switching hurts, but it is the only way we can give ourselves, and our future generation a decent shot at a decent future. This can be done in less than 60 seconds online at https://secure.utah.gov/voterreg/index.html and must be done by March 10th. The Utah presidential preference poll is on March 22nd.

    Above all, don't be cowed and swayed by those black hearts that would mock and laugh at you for supporting Trump. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution. It's the right thing to do, even if done in private.

    This is a true movement the likes of which we have never seen and will likely never see again, even with the Reagan landslide of 1984. Trump holds three or four massive rallies a week all over the country in which the stadiums are filled to capacity with thousands still waiting to get in. This is an election of insurgency. This, in fact, is a revolution. We are the rebels, we are the vulgarians!

    Love,
    Dad

    P.S. - An alternative point of view: Utah will go Republican in the general election this November as it has in every presidential election since 1964. Therefore, you can waste your vote on Hillary or Bernie or Joe or Elizabeth or whomever else makes your heart go pitter-pat–or you can make your voice count by voting for Trump starting in the Presidential Preference Poll in March and again in the general election in November.

    There are strong indicators that Trump will sweep all of the states except Iowa (Cruz), Texas (Cruz) and Utah (Rubio). That's right. For the first time in its history Utah will likely be a swing state. Every GOP vote counts this year.

    If Trump doesn't win 54.1% of the state delegates, there will be a brokered convention and the GOPe will put in their establishment candidate, in which case we'll end up with Hillary as president (if you need guidance as to why this would be the worst outcome let me know).

    So, really, you've got nothing to lose by voting for Trump and everything to gain.

    BTW – Many young voters who pay scant attention to politics are infatuated with Bernie, a profoundly unserious candidate for several key reasons I won't go into here, but am happy to talk with you about them if you wish. For now, the important thing to remember about Bernie's prospects is that he never had any. The way the DNC (Democratic National Committee) structures their primary, the super-delegates prevent anyone not of DNC choosing to win the nomination, and the DNC has chosen Hillary (look for yourself at the delegate counts here http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html ). This effectively means that Bernie would need to win over 80% of the available Democrat delegates to receive the nomination–he's currently at 50%. So don't waste your vote where it can't count.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,234
    ^^^^ again, not my words but I can't argue with the whole "donor class" premise.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    geezus man...too long didn't read
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144

    People...

    Chill out. Man... you're getting worked up about a guy who can't even spell his own name and 10C's #1 ranked troll knocking the first lady for being classless.

    Do you think they even know what class is (outside of the last one they attended in the public school system)?

    Sheesh.

    agreed
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Wobbie said:

    ^^^^ again, not my words but I can't argue with the whole "donor class" premise.

    The argument here is just an elongated version of the precise argument that has been espoused in various ways all over militia, anti-federalist and pro Trump places forever. No offense, but there's nothing new in here but to buy into this, you have to buy into the argument that "the U.S. used to be better than it is now". If that's your argument, then you might go to Trump. There's all sorts of right wing code words in here that turn off anyone left of center.."liberal means liberty before it was co-opted... even Reagan wan't perfect".. I mean who out there that leans left thinks for a second that maybe Reagan was perfect?

    If you say to yourself, well wait a minute. We don't remove Indians anymore, we don't have slavery, we focus on equal rights and equal pay, we don't think it's okay to exploit other people for their resources, we don't think war for profit is good, we think religions other than Christianity (or WASP, precisely) are okay too. Ergo, the country is better today than it was a hundred years ago or 200 years ago. But it's not perfect and we need to continue down the progressive path.

    So in sum, this is just an argument to take a standard right of center person and make them disaffected with their party leadership and vote Trump. There is very little crossover appeal here.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,234
    good points, mrussel....I don't even know the guy who wrote it and didn't consider plagiarism.

    FWIW, I prefer Obama 10x over W.....that said, too few monied interests control DC....probably moreso in the house and senate but things will never be truly "better" for the many as long as lobbyists create policy for the few.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

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    So...nothing about her positions on issues or what she has done nationally or internationally. Only some marginally unflattering photos... So is this sexist, superficial, misogynistic, shallow...all of the above? Let us know when you come up with something less ass-holic in nature.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    I'm going with "all of the above."

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,539

    easy out...Hatred, so because I think she has the class of a rodent I'm blind with hate ? it must really suck to be the follower of a president and his wife who have no business in politics.

    Godfather.

    Please enlighten us with your definition of class in reference to 1st ladies ?
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,234
    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,650
    Smellyman said:

    Looking at some of you....

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    Not an actual quote supposedly but it sounds too likely to not be true

    Yeah, he never said that. I did see an old video where he said that he could win by saying whatever the fuck the voters needed to hear at the time, but I can't find it.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    Wobbie said:

    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?

    In a way, maybe. But Ted Cruz would be predictable in that way most politicians are. Donald Trum would be a loose cannon. We can't really know for sure what his administration would look like or how it would act.

    For many that is part of his appeal. For me that is scary.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,650
    edited February 2016
    JimmyV said:

    Wobbie said:

    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?

    In a way, maybe. But Ted Cruz would be predictable in that way most politicians are. Donald Trum would be a loose cannon. We can't really know for sure what his administration would look like or how it would act.

    For many that is part of his appeal. For me that is scary.
    I think Ted Cruz might actually be evil or something. That is worse than Trump. Trump is embarrassing, but Cruz is more dangerous. I wouldn't really expect Trump to do really sinister, underhanded shit under the right circumstances. I would expect that of Cruz.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited February 2016
    Wobbie said:

    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?

    Yes, probably.... but that doesn't make me feel good about Trump. Do you think Trump is scary? I do because I think he brings out visceral, negative feelings in people. Do I think he will start launching nuclear warheads? No, not at all. But I do think he will say or do whatever it is that allows him to 'win'. And that type of blatant narcissism is unappealing to me.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,539
    Wobbie said:

    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?

    So your ruling out Clinton or Sanders as the next prez you believe it will be trump ...
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    easy out...Hatred, so because I think she has the class of a rodent I'm blind with hate ? it must really suck to be the follower of a president and his wife who have no business in politics.

    Godfather.

    no business? You mean winning two presidential elections isn't the "business"?
    no it mean the people who voted for him were duped.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    easy out...Hatred, so because I think she has the class of a rodent I'm blind with hate ? it must really suck to be the follower of a president and his wife who have no business in politics.

    Godfather.

    Please enlighten us with your definition of class in reference to 1st ladies ?
    enlightenment ?......it's too late for that.

    Godfather.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Wobbie said:

    I should know better than to venture into these threads, but.....

    Do you anti -Trump guys believe (as I do) that President Cruz is an even scarier proposition?

    Yes....out of the lot I would prefer Kasich but definitely Trump over Cruz. Trump is a democrat basically.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144

    easy out...Hatred, so because I think she has the class of a rodent I'm blind with hate ? it must really suck to be the follower of a president and his wife who have no business in politics.

    Godfather.

    no business? You mean winning two presidential elections isn't the "business"?
    no it mean the people who voted for him were duped.

    Godfather.

    I wasn't duped. Your opinion might be that I was but I certainly wasn't.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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