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Is there any reason why, "Daddy" has been changed to "Father" in live versions of Alive and Jeremy?

evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
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Listening to bootlegs from over the years I've always wondered why Ed changed the original lyric of "Daddy" in Alive and Jeremy to "Father". Ed has to know he has made the lyrical change. Does anyone know the reason or can speculate? Maybe he thought father sounded like a more grown up/mature lyric than "daddy"? Not sure, but feel free to throw your hat in the ring.
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  • Empty GlassEmpty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    Ed is older now

    I know Father is used more often now, but is it all the time nowadays?
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  • iammine16iammine16 Vancouver, BC Posts: 851
    Vancouver '13 he said Daddy during Alive
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    I would say about 90-95% of the time it's father instead of the original daddy. It has to be the most commonly switched lyric when compared to a studio recording.
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  • unforgivenunforgiven Posts: 380
    I always felt that this change occurred around the time he started having children of his own, I feel as though maybe the term today became more personal to him. All that is 100% guessing on my part though.
  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    he has daddy issues.
  • samjamsamjam New York Posts: 9,283
    unforgiven said:

    I always felt that this change occurred around the time he started having children of his own, I feel as though maybe the term today became more personal to him. All that is 100% guessing on my part though.

    I've heard this explanation/speculation quite a bit. Makes sense to me.

    Would definitely be an interesting to hear Ed's answer to this question.
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  • KCjamKCjam Posts: 137
    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,907
    unforgiven said:

    I always felt that this change occurred around the time he started having children of his own, I feel as though maybe the term today became more personal to him. All that is 100% guessing on my part though.

    this is exactly what I was going to say as well.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,303
    edited June 2015
    I like "daddy" way more personally. I wish he hadn't changed it. "Father" just feels a bit awkward and it always irks me slightly. All of his personal reasons aside, I think it hurts the flow of the songs.
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  • Force Of NatureForce Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,113
    unforgiven said:

    I always felt that this change occurred around the time he started having children of his own, I feel as though maybe the term today became more personal to him. All that is 100% guessing on my part though.

    I seem to remember hearing 'Father' in 2000, before he had kids
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,133
    Force Of Nature said:

    unforgiven said:

    I always felt that this change occurred around the time he started having children of his own, I feel as though maybe the term today became more personal to him. All that is 100% guessing on my part though.

    I seem to remember hearing 'Father' in 2000, before he had kids
    Me too. I didn't read much into other than it sounding more formal and mature for a 30 year old to sing.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,860
    KCjam said:

    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.

    I m a father and dad of five. No offense but this makes zero sense.
    Ed has interchanged dad and father for years.
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    Hey Ed, we're waiting for your reply to this thread. :-)

    I think it changed around 96 when the band was dismantling its popularity. New Jeremy appeared in 1995 along with the ticketmaster disaster. It might be tied to that mentality of "challenging the listener". Who knows though--just a theory.
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  • mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,077
    KCjam said:

    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.

    Reminded me of "He might be a father but he sure ain't a dad." (props to those who recognize the song)
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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,433
    ^^^^^^ :wink:
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,314
    mrk2 said:

    KCjam said:

    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.

    Reminded me of "He might be a father but he sure ain't a dad." (props to those who recognize the song)
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    KCjam said:

    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.

    mrk2 said:

    KCjam said:

    Any man can be a "Father" but not all can be "Dads." Just meaning that so many men father children but are not dads to theri children or maybe abuse their children etc. The men in Jeremy and Alive are fathers not dads.

    Reminded me of "He might be a father but he sure ain't a dad." (props to those who recognize the song)
    makes sense...
  • fluff4ufluff4u Posts: 202
    I think he changed it when his voice started to change. I think its a vocal phrasing thing.
  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    Ed's favorite spider....father long legs.
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  • vant0037vant0037 Posts: 6,161
    evenflow82 said:

    Ed's favorite spider....father long legs.

    "Father Long Legs": the media's name for an indicted priest who stands at 6' 2" or taller, or the name of a lesser known, killed off John Henson muppet from the 70s.
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